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Mr Rid
08-19-2012, 02:12 PM
From Blur Studio- http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6T1NF81BIRQ# Most faithful to the comic.

Producer David Fincher- "Hopefully this is the year that people go 'Wait a minute! We don't all have to be trying to imitate Pixar!' "

Personally, I have never shared the same level of enthrallment with the cute-n-fuzzy character animation that most of the industry seems to think is the be-all and end-all of CG. It would be nice if there was enough audience for something that is not all that different, just minus the Happy Meal tie-ins. Dont know how much good it will do to sign 'the petition'- http://www.strangekidsclub.com/sign-the-goon-movie-petition-or-youll-get-a-knife-to-the-eye/

Goon certainly has a limited demographic, and mature animated movies dont ever do great at the boxoffice, but then they dont need to spend anywhere near $260 mil (Tangled) on it either.
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Fincher has been trying to get a Heavy Metal movie off ground as well.

safetyman
08-19-2012, 02:36 PM
I share your sentiment. Are all-CGI films supposed to be for 10-year-olds? I realize that G and PG films bring in the widest possible audience, but adults go to the movies too. I'm not saying they need to make a porno, just give us some grown-up material every once in a while.

Dexter2999
08-19-2012, 03:11 PM
I think that will appeal to the zombie demo. And rather than call that "limited" I refer to that as "niche". They'll see it. Sure it may not make the "family movie" numbers that sell in blocks of 3-5. And as a result of not being for kids not have the guaranteed DVD sales.

But like you said, it didn't have to cost $250 Million, which is just irresponsible for an animated film in my opinion, and could still turn a nice profit.

Ryan Roye
08-19-2012, 03:18 PM
I strongly believe gaining the faith of a niche audience would really turn the tables as far as non-10-and-under 3d movies/shows are concerned. Unfortunately, there is little to no support for the idea because the number of success stories can almost literally be counted on one hand, and getting people onboard for something that has never really been tested is never easy. I think it is still a foolish idea to try to put movies like "the goon" in the theatres... companies like Pixar and Dreamworks dominate in that arena because they set the standard and ingrained into the minds of people what cg movies should be (family-oriented). You can't put a niche feature that competes with a general purpose feature... the benefit vs. cost is too great.

In my opinion, the future of more adult-oriented content (by this, I mean putting in actual freaking drama, complex storylines, character development, etc) is not on the big screen, but in places where more specifically targeted audiences can be reached without the approval of big companies with tons of money to back the project. Of course, I'm implying things like webseries, crowd-funded features, and generally seeking out new ways to create funding by means other than box office or DVD sales.

I have many ideas in how smaller companies or even a group of individuals can create a successful franchise out of a barebones team:

-a combination of free content and "extras"... where the free content is the attention getter and the "extras" are for those who just want more... the extras should be low-cost; $2-5. The extra content should NOT slow down the production of the free content. Also, the extra content should NOT be required to enjoy the free content... that would just piss people off.

-DvD sales (ONLY in conjunction with the above point), which would include higher quality video clarity, better sound, and behind the scenes stuff and other features. Good for those who want everything lumped together to enjoy on their big screen TV!

-Ad revenue from free content. While never significant, it does help offset costs. My videos, for instance, cumulatively only make a hundred or so bucks a year, but it is enough to help me offset the cost of maintaining our website at least.

-Re-investment (upgrades, hiring, etc)

Webseries and independently produced content is the future for anyone who wants more than family-oriented crap that a lot of people are sick of... but it is still in the "wild-west" stage, there are just so many things that are untested, untried and generally unknown. I don't think movies and trying to directly compete with fully-funded, huge, billion-dollar companies is the way to go.

Just look at Syfy. After having next to no sci-fi content, they have plans to eventually re-name themselves to NBC universal, the parent company, if they haven't done so already. The number of disgruntled and neglected fans of sci-fi I know is more than enough to create something that is hugely successful... yet at the same time doesn't require the *entire demographic* to be on board for it to work... which is basically what The Goon would require to out-perform its competitors.

I know people like the idea of huge-budget, company-made productions, but a bigwig studio isn't going to stick their neck out of something that doesn't have an accounting figure attached to it already. I don't blame them, it just means more opportunity for productions like mine in the future :) Got a long way to go (in all areas), but I hope to at least be a small part of this eventual, unavoidable change towards web-media-entertainment.

Heh, sorry for the wall-o-text, it is a topic I am passionate about.

Mr Rid
08-19-2012, 03:36 PM
Yeah, zombies are in, is based on a comic, is comedy and still sorta cute, and could do well on video.

Looking for a precedent-
Fritz the Cat- rated X, am reading it made $100m but that must be adjusted for inflation. Wizards did well at $9m, but other Bakshi films did not- Fire and Ice $760k. Cool World $14m

Beowulf $194m, (budget $150m)
Final Fantasy $85m (budget $137
Christmas Carol- $323 (budget $190)
Battle for Terra $1.6m
Sin City- $158m ($40m budget... Rodriguez is smart about keeping his budgets low)
South Park - $52mil
Heavy Metal- $19m ('81)
300 $456 ($60m budget)
The Fantastic Mr. Fox $46m
Nightmare before Xmas- $50m
Akira $19k in US
Ghost in the Shell $443k in US
Triplets of Belleville $14m
The Illusionist $5m, ($17m budget)
Tron $26m (budget $17m)

There are other Japanese examples, but subtitles are another strike against.

Teens are the biggest portion of sales, so if they are excluded by an R rating then a huge potential profit chunk is lost. But surely they can keep it PG-13 if Beowulf could.

Dexter2999
08-19-2012, 03:51 PM
Teens are the biggest portion of sales, so if they are excluded by an R rating then a huge potential profit chunk is lost. But surely they can keep it PG-13 if Beowulf could.

Well, the "R" rating can work for or against it. It could mean less kids seeing it, unless their parents take them. But it may mean more iTunes/pay per view sales.

The "PG-13" rating is interesting. There might be graphic violence and intense situations, this is common to zombie movies. I also noticed some bleeping in that short clip. You can only drop the "F-bomb" twice in a movie and get a "PG-13" rating. So, even if the violence were kept over the top cartoony, the language would do them in at the ratings board.

Whatever. All I really know is, I'd see it.

erikals
08-19-2012, 04:05 PM
hope to see this one, have been on my list for some time.
bit violent, but quite interesting, and definitely worth a watch.

Ernest
08-19-2012, 05:22 PM
"Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM," the old saying goes.

Likewise, nobody will ever get fired for greenlighting The Ice Age X. Even if the movie tanks (which you already know it won't), nobody is going to blame you for it.

If you greenlight a project like this, your neck is on the line. If the movie doesn't do well, (and this is a really risky bet; there's too little precedent to tell if it will do well) the jackals who will be looking for a scapegoat will have 1000 reasons to blame you.

I don't think he's going to find someone brave enough to approve it in any studio in this economy. I think his only chance is HBO.

Dexter2999
08-19-2012, 05:28 PM
I think his only chance is HBO.

Mmmmm.....SPAWN.

aidenvfx
08-19-2012, 06:33 PM
Pg-13 is only a issue for the U.S. market as most other countries have a 14a or 15a. This allows for a little bit more swearing, violence and sexual content. With animation there is also a larger Asian market to look at which works with a R-15 rating. For this type of project theatrical might not be the best or doing both world wide VOD at the same time might work.

Last I herd Fincher basically said "the goon" is a dead project. However with the rise of zombie films hard to say. If Paranorman does well it maybe it will get new life.

aidenvfx
08-19-2012, 06:39 PM
"Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM," the old saying goes.

Likewise, nobody will ever get fired for greenlighting The Ice Age X. Even if the movie tanks (which you already know it won't), nobody is going to blame you for it.

If you greenlight a project like this, your neck is on the line. If the movie doesn't do well, (and this is a really risky bet; there's too little precedent to tell if it will do well) the jackals who will be looking for a scapegoat will have 1000 reasons to blame you.

I don't think he's going to find someone brave enough to approve it in any studio in this economy. I think his only chance is HBO.

If any movie bombs in a major way studio executives often are moved or gone. If they have multiple bombs they are toast just look at what happened with Disney and "Mars needs Moms" and John carter.

I would say the main challenge is that the mid-budget films are very hard to green light which is probably where Goon could fall which is the 60-80 million range. However one solution could also be for a studio to partner with a VFX studio as partners so less risk for the studio but more reward for the VFX studio of the film does well.

Celshader
08-19-2012, 09:42 PM
If Paranorman does well it maybe it will get new life.

I saw PARANORMAN last night. I laughed so hard I cried.

I'm not sure if PARANORMAN's grisly jokes will fit everyone's taste, though.

Dexter2999
08-19-2012, 10:05 PM
OT: But does anyone understand why a movie like PARANORMAN, perfect for Halloween, is released so early?

prometheus
08-20-2012, 12:55 AM
I hate zombie movies, mostly because it looks like a bunch of clowns having diapers when they are walking, and with childish roars trying to sound like a lion or something:)

Every now and then there´s a cutie in there though, like milla jovovich:)

That said, a cartoon movie with such figures might look better than what actors can acheive through their notion on how classic zombie walk should be.

Sorry Newtek...I do not want any of your Tofu zombies:)

Michael

-EsHrA-
08-20-2012, 03:38 AM
so the 2 best movies in your list Rid didnt make a dime in the us!?..
shamefull!

DogBoy
08-20-2012, 04:22 AM
I agree. i'd love to see a Goon movie, i love the comic, but Blur is a bad fit IMO. I tired of their schtick years ago, and the linked video is smothered in Blurisms. If even Fincher couldn't get them away from their stock elements, (though their titles for Dragon Tattoo came close) I'd despair for the final film.

safetyman
08-20-2012, 09:08 AM
If the right genre/story came along that was familiar enough with the general populace, I think it could get the green light. 9 was a good movie, I thought, but it suffered from a lack of name recognition. Say they decided to do, say, Game of Thrones as an all-CG movie(s) it would probably do very well, but you can't make that one PG-13 and still get me to go see it.

Dexter2999
11-12-2012, 12:16 AM
Funded!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/624061548/the-goon-movie-lets-kickstart-this-sucker/comments

safetyman
11-12-2012, 05:32 AM
Yay!

Philbert
11-12-2012, 07:20 AM
I thought of two other movies when watching this. Cool World and Monkeybone. The former did OK but I think was better as cult film I think the latter didn't do well at all.