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rcallicotte
07-03-2012, 09:07 AM
Looks pretty cool.

http://www.videocopilot.net/videostream/element3Dv2/

It's out on July 10th.

erikals
07-03-2012, 12:05 PM
hm, interesting

(same video, just youtube...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57EnKolu2Qg

realgray
07-03-2012, 02:23 PM
It's text abilities are what I'm really excited about. Finally some nice looking bevels.

http://www.videocopilot.net/blog/2012/06/element-3d-feature-26/

djwaterman
07-04-2012, 09:36 AM
Finally! I'd given up checking the blog but there it is, a matter of days away.

raw-m
07-05-2012, 08:09 AM
Very excited about this one!!

http://www.videocopilot.net/element_video/element_demo/

3dworks
07-05-2012, 08:50 AM
looks very promising. i wonder if this could be used for more complex models like arch interiors, as long as all meshes are separated by materials... but i guess it's limited by GPU RAM.

rcallicotte
07-05-2012, 05:17 PM
More information - http://www.videocopilot.net/element_video/element_demo/

BigHache
07-05-2012, 07:16 PM
I've been waiting on this one. Looks great.

digefxgrp
07-06-2012, 12:34 AM
Wish July 10th would get here faster!!!! :rock:

djwaterman
07-06-2012, 08:07 AM
At last some video.


http://www.videocopilot.net/blog/

djwaterman
07-06-2012, 08:35 AM
Mind blown. Stupidly cheap too.

raw-m
07-06-2012, 08:55 AM
I'm especially keen as I think AE CS6 should come with some kind of warning - if you want to use the 3d extrudes and ray trace stuff and you don't have an nvidia card, forget it! I have an ATI 5770 and it chokes just moving simple objects around 3d space. Why has no monopoly comission got involved here? Does Adobe own nVidia? Anyway, this looks like it'll be well worth the investment!

silviotoledo
07-07-2012, 04:50 AM
http://www.videocopilot.net/element_video/element_demo/


after now is a realtime 3d renderer

jwiede
07-07-2012, 11:09 AM
Looks like an amazing way to add mograph-type 3D quickly to video. Almost makes me wish I used AE instead of Shake & Motion... almost. Wonder if they have any plans to produce an FxPlug-compatible version of Element3D?

realgray
07-07-2012, 01:24 PM
Some new info

http://www.videocopilot.net/blog/2012/07/built-for-speed-and-gpus/

realgray
07-08-2012, 01:54 PM
It just keeps on coming.

http://www.videocopilot.net/blog/2012/07/element-3d-extended-family/

djwaterman
07-09-2012, 09:05 AM
And coming.

http://www.videocopilot.net/blog/

raw-m
07-09-2012, 09:38 AM
My God, that's absolutely jaw-dropping! Think they are going to clean up with this. Hope other 3d companies are taking note!

silviotoledo
07-09-2012, 09:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4WcpvOREQo


so nice!

realgray
07-09-2012, 11:42 AM
Andrew is one smart guy and Videocopilot seems to never do anything halfway. Much respect.

BlueApple
07-09-2012, 04:08 PM
This looks nuts.

I went through the site and didn't find any mention of a trial version. Has anyone heard that this will be available to try prior to purchase?

tyrot
07-09-2012, 04:50 PM
wow incredible ... animating options are amazing... i guess they will add physics etc in version 2 ..

realgray
07-09-2012, 05:15 PM
wow incredible ... animating options are amazing... i guess they will add physics etc in version 2 ..

Some on another board are emailing for the inclusion of .mdd in the future. With that the possibilities will be endless.

tyrot
07-10-2012, 12:13 AM
can be a weird question but - can this thing - with more improvements - match Nuke's 3d within after effects? ( i do not use Nuke or Fusion) that s why i m asking..

dsol
07-10-2012, 09:04 AM
This plugin is going to be massive for TV graphics (particularly for News and Sport) - and take a lot of potential business away from Cinema4D. It's not going to make so much impact for high end VFX since it's not a raytraced renderer, but for quick "good enough" 3D it's going to be hard to beat. I'm buying it on day 1!

tyrot
07-10-2012, 09:18 AM
oliver i mean .. you know for adding decent 3D backgrounds.. etc. Of course not matching as application but adding 3D into AE effectively as Nuke or Fusion

dwburman
07-10-2012, 12:23 PM
That's an impressive demo. :D

rcallicotte
07-10-2012, 05:37 PM
It's available now - https://www.videocopilot.net/products/element/

This is well done and the way a product is supposed to be - clear directions, clear packages, plainly written explanations, videos to explain more and beautiful presentation.

This product looks amazing, too. :D

evolross
07-10-2012, 08:26 PM
can be a weird question but - can this thing - with more improvements - match Nuke's 3d within after effects? ( i do not use Nuke or Fusion) that s why i m asking..
IMO not likely. Nuke's 3D system has a really clear, fully functional 3D XYZ working space. It has native 3D primitives, with texture mapping (think skydome), translation, etc. It also supports FBX.

After Effect's "3D" support has always been a little like working in the wild west. The units don't really make sense, navigation is a pain, it doesn't have a proper "perspective" view, etc. You can get things done in it, but it's in no way as robust and mature as Nuke's 3D system.

djwaterman
07-10-2012, 09:02 PM
Let's not make this something it wasn't meant to be, it's primarily for motion design, the fact you can push it to achieve high end results in certain situations is just a wonderful bonus. By the way, the Video copilot website deserves an award for best layout out and functionality, no confusion and everything just works how you'd expect.

realgray
07-10-2012, 10:54 PM
The new text tools will complement LW nicely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0p9gwKMSqk&feature=g-all-u

djwaterman
07-11-2012, 12:40 AM
If anyone bought this today and has had a chance to play around a bit, would you say it's fairly easy to create all your own surfaces or would it be better to buy the 200 pre-built shader bundle? I can afford to wait since I don't desperately need to extrude any text right this moment, but I'm thinking I will just buy the Element plugin only.

Darth Mole
07-11-2012, 06:53 AM
I bought the Pro bundle with Element and the 200 shaders - you get them for about $50 so I figured what the heck. Only had a quick play last night but depth-of-field and SSAO are very cool. I'm going to throw some bigger objects at it to stress test it, but I think it's brilliant. Can't wait for them to add object sequences for RealFlow meshes :-)

raw-m
07-11-2012, 07:50 AM
Checkout the multi pass stuff here:
http://www.videocopilot.net/help/element/tutorial/basic/the_render_engine/

very nice!

Does anyone know if you can you export those text meshes it creates?

COBRASoft
07-11-2012, 05:09 PM
Those text bevels are amazing. Simple and looking superb. Where is LW with this 'simple' feature?

The animation/morph thing is really powerfull and fast!

dblincoe
07-11-2012, 10:06 PM
I know it was just released but has anyone tried exporting their LW objects as obj to it? How did work? Very excited about this.

probiner
07-11-2012, 10:16 PM
Looks... too... goooodd.... :eek:

Would be useful to understand the limits of this in a workflow. Meaning what it can you rely on it to handle the 3D objects as opposed to render them and exporting to the compositor.

Julez4001
07-12-2012, 04:59 AM
The fact that they handle multipass much better than Lightwave is embrassing.
And again, withthe cinema 4d import.
Lightwave has lost the motion graphics arena. Cd4 is all what folks talk about who really don't know 3D.

monovich
07-12-2012, 12:18 PM
Wow. This looks pretty mind blowing. VC just went to the next level. Way beyond tutorials.

realgray
07-12-2012, 01:24 PM
Can't wait to see how far (and fast) this develops.

DigitalSorcery8
07-12-2012, 03:03 PM
Looks like After Effects just got allot more attractive.

This will make some things much easier.

And the price... is pretty darn good. Looks like I might end up upgrading AfterFX CS4. :)

rcallicotte
07-12-2012, 03:30 PM
FYI - This works in CS3 and up...




Looks like After Effects just got allot more attractive.

This will make some things much easier.

And the price... is pretty darn good. Looks like I might end up upgrading AfterFX CS4. :)

DigitalSorcery8
07-12-2012, 05:16 PM
FYI - This works in CS3 and up...

Thank you. This is good to know - and probably less expensive. :)

rcallicotte
07-13-2012, 09:00 AM
Apparently, it's more important to at least have 1G or better OpenGL video card, but it supports 512M cards, too.



Thank you. This is good to know - and probably less expensive. :)

realgray
07-14-2012, 11:33 PM
Just so awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CqB_0X4p3o&feature=plcp

evolross
07-15-2012, 11:13 AM
When I first saw Element 3D, I thought it reminded me of something I'd seen before. It finally hit me. There's a really similar product that's been available for years for After Effects called 3D Invigorator.

http://zaxwerks.com/invigorator_classic/index.shtml

I used to work at a studio that used it. I'm sure Video Copilot's is slicker, but I'm not sure if I see anything that wasn't already available. Though Element 3D is cheaper.

This is the 3D Invigorator Pro feature list:

http://zaxwerks.com/invigorator_pro/details.shtml

raw-m
07-15-2012, 11:53 AM
There's a fantastic array of tools in Invigorator. Guess it comes down to marketing/presentation in the end. Is Newtek the Zaxwerks of the 3d industry? :D

rcallicotte
07-16-2012, 08:59 AM
And the ability to export might be even bigger...



Well... I think the ability to import your own models is kind of a big deal... ;)

realgray
07-16-2012, 10:47 AM
And the ability to export might be even bigger...

Can you export? Elements text tools seem to be more powerful then LW's.

rcallicotte
07-16-2012, 11:21 AM
Not that I know about. But, the other mentioned program (Zaxwerks) has some export capability. If 3D Elements can export, then I'd say it's huge. :thumbsup:



Can you export? Elements text tools seem to be more powerful then LW's.

raw-m
07-17-2012, 02:22 AM
There is talk by the creators on the forums that things like export and adding physical deformers like bend and twist later! That would rock!!

Darth Mole
07-17-2012, 06:43 AM
They need to fix the bugs and make it work on my machine before adding new features!

probiner
07-17-2012, 08:03 AM
Just to be clear. This has no way to load a Vertex Cache/MDD, right?

raw-m
07-17-2012, 08:11 AM
No. You can only bring models in, animation is handled by the plugin.

raw-m
07-17-2012, 12:44 PM
Here's a bit more about getting objects into Element from 3d packages:
http://www.videocopilot.net/help/element/tutorial/basic/advanced_materials/

waltersoyka
07-18-2012, 12:32 AM
When I first saw Element 3D, I thought it reminded me of something I'd seen before. It finally hit me. There's a really similar product that's been available for years for After Effects called 3D Invigorator.

I think Element and Invigorator are complementary. Of course there's overlap in that they both render 3D elements within AE, but there are significant differences, too. For example, Element has a particle-based animation engine unlike anything Zaxwerks offers, but Invigorator has a built-in modeler, while Element requires models to come from elsewhere.

There's also Mettle's FreeForm AE (for deforming planes in 3D space) and ShapeShifter AE (animated text, shapes, and quasi-organic effects), and of course, AE CS6's own new ray-tracing renderer. All these tools have different strengths and weaknesses, and I don't think it will be uncommon for AE users to have multiple 3D plugins.

Overall, I'd say there's a continuing broadening of awareness among AE users of 3D graphics, especially with respect to motion graphics. This is a good time to be well-versed in both 2D compositing and 3D modeling, lighting, animation and compositing.

w.

dsol
07-18-2012, 07:19 AM
I bought the full Studio Bundle - it seemed like a damn good deal to me. All the 3D objects in the library are really nice. I'm hoping to get a lot of use out of this plugin!

And yes, the 3D text tools put Lightwave (and other 3D apps) to shame. The live glitch-free tessellation is beautiful thing to behold.

djwaterman
07-18-2012, 10:06 AM
I used Invigorator once or twice in the past and didn't like it that much, although the pro version looks somewhat better, and the 3D objects are rendered by After Effects and can reflect and cast shadows. Still, I think Element has more going for it despite the raytrace limitations, the shaders look very pretty for text, that's my main interest with it. I think some of the people who aren't familiar with After Effects are looking at this as some kind of alternative 3D app, it's not. It will be interesting to see down the line some of the less obvious effects that are created using this plugin.

dsol
07-18-2012, 10:31 AM
I tried Invigorator too and found the interface to be horribly clunky. It also seemed to not have the level of integration with After Effect's native camera and nulls that Element does.
I haven't tried the new 3D features in CS6 yet, but those have some intriguing possibilities. Adobe's new GPU-accelerated renderer does seem to give quite nice results with soft DOF and shadows. Stu Maschwitz did some really nice tests using it:
http://vimeo.com/40696968