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mwilcko
02-24-2012, 11:08 AM
Just curious if anyone knows how many LW users are out there? Just getting back into using LW after a 10 year hiatus.

OnlineRender
02-24-2012, 11:14 AM
don't you know, LightWavers are Everywhere...

mwilcko
02-24-2012, 11:18 AM
I remember it being very popular when I was using v5.6. Thought I read somewhere that its not as popular as it used to be (I still love it).

metahumanity
02-24-2012, 11:54 AM
Around 100.000 would be my (uneducated) guess.

Snosrap
02-24-2012, 11:54 AM
My guess would be around 10 -15,000 active users with most likely around 200,000 dongles floating around out there somewhere. In our company we have purchased 16 seats over the years, now with changes in the buisness climate we are actively using only 4 with only 2 being upgraded to LW11. (The other two probably soon:D) Our usage shrinkage has nothing to do with LW's shortcomings - we love it- it's just that our company like many others has had to make cut-backs in personel to survive. So yes, while I think NT has sold a boat load of licenses over the years, I suspect their current user base is very small.

fazi69
02-24-2012, 11:57 AM
Around 100.000 would be my (uneducated) guess.

More like 10.000 . I think 100.000 will be all 3d artists combined on this planet.

metahumanity
02-24-2012, 12:38 PM
More like 10.000 . I think 100.000 will be all 3d artists combined on this planet.

Seems way to conservative to me.

I know that a decade ago a big LW plugin vendor had ca 15.000 licenses registered. I wonīt mention which one, donīt ask.

Even with LWīs problematic footing, in the last decade the 3d production markets have grown exponentially.

Just for comparison, I remember an Autodesk guy I talked to personally mentioning around 400.000 3dsmax licenses worldwide. Could just be marketing numbers, but he seemed pretty convinced it was accurate.

So no, I donīt think 100.000 "active" LW users is that unreasonable. Lots of people on this planet ;-)

shrox
02-24-2012, 12:40 PM
"400.000 3dsmax licenses worldwide"

Wow, out of 7 billion people...

metahumanity
02-24-2012, 12:48 PM
"400.000 3dsmax licenses worldwide"

Wow, out of 7 billion people...

Yeah, 0.0057% of the world population use Max. Now that you mention it the number seems a bit pushed, LOL.:D

Snosrap
02-24-2012, 12:50 PM
"400.000 3dsmax licenses worldwide"

Wow, out of 7 billion people...

That's 400,000 "licensed" :D 3DSMax seats. 7 billion have it on their PC's. :D

shrox
02-24-2012, 01:04 PM
Even if you 10X 400,000 to 4,000,000 (or 0.057% of the world population) that's still a tiny number. I didn't realize just how specialized 3D is.

metahumanity
02-24-2012, 01:14 PM
Even if you 10X 400,000 to 4,000,000 (or 0.057% of the world population) that's still a tiny number. I didn't realize just how specialized 3D is.

Oh, you think more? I actually went all humble when I saw your post and suspected 400.000 to be quite a bit too high just for one program.

Ok, I wikied around a bit to approach this from a different and more comprehensive perspective.

There are around 3.150 major cities in the world. Of course you canīt compare a city like mine to New york, but anyway...
Letīs say 100 in mine and 1000 in NY, just for funīs sake.

So letīs assume that thereīs an average of 250 active 3d users in every city. Seems like a reasonably realistic number if you consider architects, web-designers and graphic artists ....I think (Every statistics fan would beat me to death after seeing this post, LOL).

3150x250=787500 users

I know, I know, totally estimated without any real data. Probably my 100.000 LW users is a bit on the optimistic side, but 15.000 just for LW is way too low..even with the screwed marketing over the last years.

shrox
02-24-2012, 01:28 PM
Oh, you think more? I actually went all humble when I saw your post and suspected 400.000 to be quite a bit too high just for one program.

Ok, I wikied around a bit to approach this from a different and more comprehensive perspective.

There are around 3.150 major cities in the world. Of course you canīt compare a city like mine to New york, but anyway...
Letīs say 100 in mine and 1000 in NY, just for funīs sake.

So letīs assume that thereīs an average of 250 active 3d users in every city. Seems like a reasonably realistic number....I think (Every statistics fan would beat me to death after seeing this post, LOL).

3150x250=787500 users

I know, I know, totally estimated without any real data. Probably my 100.000 LW users is a bit on the optimistic side, but 15.000 just for LW is way too low..even with the screwed marketing over the last years.

I have no idea how many 3D artists there might be, I just thought there would be more if you figure in other companies 3D packages.

Dexter2999
02-24-2012, 04:52 PM
Even if you 10X 400,000 to 4,000,000 (or 0.057% of the world population) that's still a tiny number. I didn't realize just how specialized 3D is.

I work in the entertainment department of a large corporation. Almost no one knows anything at all about 3D. The very very few who do, 99% of them only know the word "Maya"...and that is just because they heard it somewhere.

Andy Meyer
02-24-2012, 05:29 PM
i think i'm the only LW user in my city :-)
city of lucerne has about 80'000 citizen.

Shnoze Shmon
02-24-2012, 06:16 PM
I wonder if NewTek would be willing to let out the total number of LightWave 9 seats it sold. (all releases)

Just new purchases, not including student version.

metahumanity
02-24-2012, 06:19 PM
I work in the entertainment department of a large corporation. Almost no one knows anything at all about 3D. The very very few who do, 99% of them only know the word "Maya"...and that is just because they heard it somewhere.

Yeah, that might betrue.

But almost every serious 3d artist or technician does know LW, even if itīs just for dumb jokes until you kick their @ss on a deadline.

BTW, I wouldīve thought most 3d ignorants only knew Max and not Maya. But Iīve noticed that, too. Guess Maya is winning the race.

Bliz
02-24-2012, 06:24 PM
I'm also getting back into LW after a few years off.

It's weird reading the docs and realizing you still remember a lot of it ;)

Dexter2999
02-24-2012, 07:32 PM
Yeah, that might betrue.

But almost every serious 3d artist or technician does know LW, even if itīs just for dumb jokes until you kick their @ss on a deadline.

BTW, I wouldīve thought most 3d ignorants only knew Max and not Maya. But Iīve noticed that, too. Guess Maya is winning the race.

Maya is the program that "everyone uses it because everyone uses it".

When I talk to the people I mentioned before and I tell them I use Lightwave they just stop, unsure what I am talking about. They have no point of reference. So, I mention the commercials with the M&M's, the Star Trek shows, Terra Nova, the Oracle scene from 300. Then they relax and go "Oh, okay." They just don't know any better. They know the name "Maya" and they know it costs like $5K (or it used to) "so it must be good".

Then I have to point out that all they are using it for is spinny logos (most always) and they are paying way too much for the software to do that. Then I point them at Lightwave, sometimes 3D Arsenal, and occasionally even Blender.

Yes, people who know 3D will almost certainly know the name "Lightwave" but many get an uncertain (or distasteful) look when I bring it up. Then I find out they have no experience with it. They only know what they hear.

fablefox
02-25-2012, 03:37 AM
Maya is the program that "everyone uses it because everyone uses it".

SNIP

Yes, people who know 3D will almost certainly know the name "Lightwave" but many get an uncertain (or distasteful) look when I bring it up. Then I find out they have no experience with it. They only know what they hear.

And what they hear is right. The big three are supported by a lot, a lot, a really really lot of plug-ins that make their life easier.
It just like bringing apple manufacturing jobs back to the US. The problem is the whole ecosystem - not just a single factory. And just like how Corning have to open factory in China due to number of orders, companies have to buy the big three because of all those plug-ins, and tutorials, available for them.

Imagine you start a 100 man CGI company, buy 100 LW11 licenses, and apply for Digital Tutors. And suddenly, "where is tutorials for LW11?"

Still, I'm going to call my local distributor on student upgrade price.

OnlineRender
02-25-2012, 03:53 AM
I bought an overpriced keyboard because the guy in "Comet" electrical store in UK mentioned LW as a 3D app before maya max or any other , I later found out he was a sound engineer, the keyboard was crap btw

Waves of light
02-25-2012, 04:05 AM
I bought an overpriced keyboard because the guy in "Comet" electrical store in UK mentioned LW as a 3D app before maya max or any other , I later found out he was a sound engineer, the keyboard was crap btw

You will go into stores wearing your LW HardCore tshirt, he saw you coming a mile off, lol.

OnlineRender
02-25-2012, 04:26 AM
You will go into stores wearing your LW HardCore tshirt, he saw you coming a mile off, lol.

not that far off actually I had my blackrock studios t-shirt on (",) lets start counting how many users there is

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cresshead
02-25-2012, 06:41 AM
add me as 0.33 as i share my '3d' with 3dsmax and zbrush as well as lightwave!

Waves of light
02-25-2012, 07:42 AM
repent, repent and we'll bump you to .66 (keeping zbrush is a must, or 3DCoat)

Andrewstopheles
02-25-2012, 10:24 AM
79,532 members of the Newtek Forums.
That should give you some idea.

Snosrap
02-25-2012, 11:04 AM
79,532 members of the Newtek Forums.
That should give you some idea.

Yeah probably a third or more of those have an interest other than LW, i.e. Tricaster etc.. Also something to consider is that you don't need to own a license of any NT product to be part of the forums. So I guess 79,532 members gives us no idea. :D

Snosrap
02-25-2012, 11:09 AM
i think i'm the only LW user in my city :-)
city of lucerne has about 80'000 citizen. I live in a small town of 8,500 in Ohio and there are 3 of us LWer's here. :D

SBowie
02-25-2012, 01:43 PM
Although it's just a small company really, there are many LW users at my place of employment ... :jam:

shrox
02-25-2012, 08:47 PM
Although it's just a small company really, there are many LW users at my place of employment ... :jam:

Must be why you get your work done so fast and can post the most.

SBowie
02-26-2012, 06:04 AM
Must be why you get your work done so fast and can post the most.Actually, I think on a daily basis you post about as much as I do, Shrox. I've just been at it longer.

OnlineRender
02-26-2012, 06:54 AM
OR Posts Per Day: 4.11 *that's sad*

S Bowie Posts Per Day: 3.58

Shrox Posts Per Day: 2.05

shrox
02-26-2012, 04:14 PM
Actually, I think on a daily basis you post about as much as I do, Shrox. I've just been at it longer.

Lightwave gives you more free time. Free time you most likely will fill with more Lightwave...