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robertoortiz
12-06-2011, 04:09 PM
Quote:
"First a little bit of news. Tomorrow I start work with Dan Curry, David Takemura, and Mike and Denise Okuda on the Star Trek: The Next Generation Remastered.

You heard right, this time around Paramount is bringing in a team that lived TNG as it happened. Dan, as Iím sure you know, was the visual effects supervisor on Next Gen. Unlike the remastering of TOS, this job will be 100% true to the original. Visual effects shots will not be reinvented, pulling you out of the show. Whatís about to happen is truly extraordinary. The studio has saved all the original footage, and VFX elements from the good old days.. We will be recompositing them, and then outputting them in high definition. Here and there, elements have been lost, and we will recreate only those missing pieces, and with this promise: aside from looking like you had your windshield cleaned, you wonít know the difference. Star Trek:The Next Generation is Gene Roddenberryís legacy, it is culturally significant, and we will rejuvenate the show with curatorial eyes only. Paramount Picture deserves a round of applause, and I canít wait to dig in with my friends."

http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2011/12/04/blog-day/
Rob Note
Since Lightwave was a HUGE part of Trek for the later shows...
(DS9 is a HUGE LW showcase)
Any chance this development will open the door for LW in the HD voncersion of those shows?

Cryonic
12-06-2011, 10:07 PM
"Unlike the remastering of TOS, this job will be 100% true to the original. Visual effects shots will not be reinvented, pulling you out of the show."

I'm not sure what they are referring to in this quote. TOS remastering didn't pull you out of the show. The effects were better integrated with the dialog and in general better than the puppets on strings that originally had been filmed for the shots.
If they've lost elements, then they will be reinventing something, even if it is to just rebuild the missing model and refilm it.

Andyjaggy
12-07-2011, 11:16 AM
Very excited for this, I'm glad I hadn't purchased the series on DVD yet.

JeffrySG
12-08-2011, 10:22 AM
Very interesting to hear! Looking forward to seeing the final product! I wonder if they'll do the HD as 16:9 for the show or if they'll keep it 4:3. Not sure how much leeway they have on the original footage.

Imageshoppe
12-08-2011, 10:40 AM
I'm sure they'll just pillar box 4:3 on the 16:9 screen as they did for the originals series remastered. The short snippets in the teaser trailer indicate as much.

Regards,

meatycheesyboy
12-11-2011, 04:22 AM
I don't know a lot about TV/film production but I remember reading that the effects weren't the problem when it comes to bringing out an HD ST:TNG. The problem is that the show was shot on video and not film and doesn't have the resolution necessary to get any real benefits to being in HD.

But, as I said, I don't know much about the subject. Anyone that can speak on the subject care to chime in?

Imageshoppe
12-11-2011, 07:10 AM
No, TNG was most definitely shot on 35mm motion picture film. They even used VistaVision on occasion for vfx and plate photography, and pan/scan during the telecine transfer of those backgrounds for tracking shots.

The big problem was the fact that it was edited for the first few seasons on 1" video tape, using video compositing methods to integrate those film elements after they were transferred to video for the whole run of the show.

While the Ultimatte blue screen keying was by and large fairly successful (compared to film optical work, albeit at only video resolution), some of the paintbox effects (Montage planet surfaces, various "energy" effects were pretty dismal and "video like".

I was in my second year of college when ST:TNG came out, and remember being literally angry at the decisions to go this route. At the same time, the (I believe CBS) remake of the Twilight Zone also suffered from this look, which, compared to a film finish, was very cheap feeling. The door was now open for show after show to do their VFX heavy post finishes on the lowest common denominator quality editing medium.

Today, if everything is archived and available for re-scan, only the Quantel paint box style effects need be re-created from scratch, and the occasional and rare fully CGI element...

Regards,

bazsa73
12-11-2011, 11:17 AM
What is this operation:remake tendency? Isn't it sick? You dont hear the alarm signal?

meatycheesyboy
12-11-2011, 04:44 PM
No, TNG was most definitely shot on 35mm motion picture film.

That's great news then.


What is this operation:remake tendency? Isn't it sick? You dont hear the alarm signal?

My gut reaction is almost always "ugggh, another remake/remaster/redo..." But the fact is, TV and movies exist for one reason, to make money. They aren't creative vehicles to deliver a some grand social message or meaning, they're just ways to make people buy more stuff. Sometimes, like in the case of Star Trek, they transcend that purpose and become something culturally relevant but those instances are few and far between. I'm not going to fault a company for putting out a remake to make a quick buck, I just won't go see it.

Also, I heard a great piece on NPR a few months ago by Bob Mondello that I mostly agree with: http://www.npr.org/2011/10/14/141352633/remakes-rethink-is-hollywood-really-out-of-ideas

robertoortiz
12-12-2011, 12:43 AM
For fantastic Before and After shots go here:

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/

Dexter2999
12-12-2011, 01:20 AM
Release soon it looks like. Amazon is taking pre-orders and listing the release date as Jan 31st.
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Generation-Level-Blu-ray/dp/B0064NLQYG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1323674239&sr=8-2

Philbert
12-12-2011, 02:53 AM
As I understand it this is more of a restoration than a remake.

rcallicotte
12-13-2011, 07:56 AM
This is interesting news. Thanks. Something to check out, if nothing else.

robertoortiz
01-26-2012, 12:08 AM
From what I have seen they are also replacing the shots done with the original 4 foot Enterprise model.

(Great idea)

Image from this thread:
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?77687-NCC-1701-D-USS-Enterprise/page32

As you can see the 4 foot model (used from season 3 to 7)
IMAGE
the model was built that way to its detila would register better in standard broadcast.
Of course that creates the issue that when its footage is converted to HD it looks like a model, not a ship.

Was wayyyy lest detailed than the (6 foot model)-Built by ILM
IMAGE

Fora ton of HD shots of the project go here:
LINK

EDIT for a cool slideshow of the update space shots go here:
http://www.randomtuesday.com/archive/?view=./Star%20Trek:%20The%20Next%20Generation/bluray/ships.gif

EDIT;
For am AMAZING Lightwave model check out the great work Tobias Ritcher has done on the Ennterprise D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZlUa_araWY

robertoortiz
01-26-2012, 08:48 AM
Just three small corrections.... ;)

Thanks!
Here is another amazing render:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psiz-LYNO70&feature=related

realgray
01-27-2012, 05:39 PM
Thanks!
Here is another amazing render:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psiz-LYNO70&feature=related

Beautiful. I like how people try to guess the render engine :thumbsup:

mattc
01-27-2012, 06:05 PM
Beautiful. I like how people try to guess the render engine :thumbsup:

Well, Dave did do a hell of a lot of post work on that stuff.

robertoortiz
01-28-2012, 01:32 AM
Check this out guys...
A doc fro mthe time:

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIKyoyNPAi8A.yz7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBrOG N2Zzc5BHBvcwMxBHNsawNyZXMEc2VjA3Ny?n=21&ei=utf-8&fr=yfp-t-701&fr2=sg-gac&tnr=20&p=star+trek+the+next+generation+visual+effects&vid=223b56b23fd27fa84fd1e71eee7b1bfa&dt=1318596174&l=0&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumb nail.aspx%3Fq%3D1576518615792%26id%3D8c880829a684f 6de321728cff5339365%26bid%3DEun1HYBguUExsg%26bn%3D Thumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.youtube.com%2 52fwatch%253fv%253dQSOH7eTMd08&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fv%2FQSOH7eTMd0 8%26autoplay%3D1%26fs%3D1%26autoplay%3D1&tit=ILM+Visual+Effects+Star+Trek+The+Next+Generati on...&sigr=11vk1t0td&newfp=1&surl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQS OH7eTMd08&sigs=11a08iedj