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ShadowMystic
11-26-2011, 10:07 PM
No not for some light vacation reading.

I need a good all-in-one book for these programs.

3DS Max
After Effects

Already have a great book for Lightwave and Photoshop and its time to expand. Online tutorials are nice but they have no flow or progression.

Surrealist.
11-26-2011, 10:31 PM
You might want to take a look at Digital Tutors. They have lots of stuff laid out in progression and they cover a lot of apps as well as non app specific things. Downside is you don't get to keep it like a book but then the downside is a book can get outdated rather quickly.

nickdigital
11-26-2011, 10:50 PM
Video Copilot is good for AE tutes.
http://videocopilot.net/

Dexter2999
11-26-2011, 10:54 PM
For After Effects, I know a guy who learned a ton from watching YouTube tutorials. I just typed in "After Effects Tutorial" and it returned 90,000. Sure there are bound to be 45,000 tutorials on doing light saber techniques but that is still a lot of ground to cover...for free.

JeffrySG
11-27-2011, 02:10 AM
For After Effects, I have a much earlier version of this book but I thought it was done very well.

http://www.amazon.com/Creating-Motion-Graphics-After-Effects/dp/0240814150/

For a book about general compositing I really love this book by Ron Brinkmann:
http://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Digital-Compositing-Second/dp/0123706386/

LW_Will
11-27-2011, 06:24 AM
I absolutely LOVE Mark Christiansen's fabulous book, Adobe After Effects CS5 Visual Effects and Compositing Studio Techniques (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/032171962X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=themolpro-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=032171962X">Adobe After Effects CS5 Visual Effects and Compositing Studio Techniques</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=themolpro-20&l=as2&o=1&a=032171962X&camp=217145&creative=399373" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />). It doesn't show all those book or website stuff that clutter up most AFX books, no motion graphics. It is a reliable visual effects book that uses AFX. From wire removal, to color correction it is a simply the best book on the subject.

Mark is late of the Orphanage, so we know he's used Lightwave 3D...

LW_Will
11-27-2011, 06:34 AM
Actually I really liked the Ron Brinkmann book. There is a tone of theory in that book... it is a hefty book, both for the content and for its actual weight. People who use the book will refer to is as "The Good Book of Brinkmann"...

But the really cool part is, at the rear, they have an actual breakdown of shots. These are from the compositors and the trouble that they had with making that shot work. It reads a little like a diary, a little like their expectations from the other department... but it is a fascinating read.
The Art and Science of Digital Compositing, Second Edition: Techniques for Visual Effects, Animation and Motion Graphics (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0123706386/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=themolpro-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=0123706386">The Art and Science of Digital Compositing, Second Edition: Techniques for Visual Effects, Animation and Motion Graphics (The Morgan Kaufmann Series in Computer Graphics)</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=themolpro-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0123706386&camp=217145&creative=399369" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />
)

ShadowMystic
11-27-2011, 07:16 PM
Thanks all so far for the After Effects book suggestions so far. It's funny how I ask a question on this forum and someone tells me the opposite but I will check out video copilot but if someone would be willing to give me a link to the introduction video that continues in a series for FREE. I'm not buying videos to learn just yet but I'll keep it in mind.

Btw I feel stupid for not checking not checking YouTube first because thenewboston had some pretty nice basic tutorials for 3DS Max now evidently has a After Effects one to so I'm setting a playlist for later.

ShadowMystic
11-30-2011, 04:20 PM
Still looking for a book on 3DS Max

Dexter2999
11-30-2011, 06:47 PM
Still looking for a book on 3DS Max

Might have better luck on the AutoDesk forums for this one.

WilliamVaughan
11-30-2011, 07:30 PM
Everything I learned about After Effects I learned for free at Video Copilot... man I love that site!:thumbsup:

Silkrooster
11-30-2011, 10:15 PM
Majority of what I learned came from Itunes/podcasts. But I also spent one winter watching video's from Linda.com. I don't recall the monthly charge, but in my mind it was worth it since I had the time to cram as much as I could from them.
The only downside from it, is I don't have any video's to keep to show for what I purchased. So as long as my mind stays sharp. Ah what was I talking about again... LOL.

ShadowMystic
11-30-2011, 11:35 PM
Majority of what I learned came from Itunes/podcasts. But I also spent one winter watching video's from Linda.com. I don't recall the monthly charge, but in my mind it was worth it since I had the time to cram as much as I could from them.
The only downside from it, is I don't have any video's to keep to show for what I purchased. So as long as my mind stays sharp. Ah what was I talking about again... LOL.

I like books because sometimes I'll miss a key setting on a setup of something and like books for reference. Currently I'm on a crusade of knowledge and what to get good at a lot more than I am currently. I have aspirations that require such.

Dexter2999
11-30-2011, 11:44 PM
Library?

ShadowMystic
11-30-2011, 11:53 PM
Library?

Sadly, I didn't think of that. But I have a friend who works there so off to the lib... wait its almost midnight...

Surrealist.
12-02-2011, 04:46 AM
The Library may not have the latest up-to-date stuff. But there is much you can learn from the older books that transgresses versions.

And it really depends on that you are trying to learn. For me the manual is the best book for reference to read. Those are free and always - ah well most companies - up to date.

Books do have the advantage of giving a more artist angle with practical tips.

But just on the reference side alone. Manuals I always recommend to use as your master's guide to the software. 90 percent or better of the questions on forums are things you can find right in the manual very simply by using the index or in the case of help guide, the search button.

The rest of the questions on forums - that is in the help sections - have to do with things that are artist oriented tips and tricks or other things outside the box so to speak.

So, although you'll sigh and say yet another suggestion I did not ask for, it is good sound advice if you are looking to master your software and that is your intent. Because 90 percent of your education you can easily get right from a good manual. It also makes doing tutorials and books so much faster and easier to comprehend.

ShadowMystic
12-02-2011, 07:47 AM
The Library may not have the latest up-to-date stuff. But there is much you can learn from the older books that transgresses versions.

And it really depends on that you are trying to learn. For me the manual is the best book for reference to read. Those are free and always - ah well most companies - up to date.

Books do have the advantage of giving a more artist angle with practical tips.

But just on the reference side alone. Manuals I always recommend to use as your master's guide to the software. 90 percent or better of the questions on forums are things you can find right in the manual very simply by using the index or in the case of help guide, the search button.

The rest of the questions on forums - that is in the help sections - have to do with things that are artist oriented tips and tricks or other things outside the box so to speak.

So, although you'll sigh and say yet another suggestion I did not ask for, it is good sound advice if you are looking to master your software and that is your intent. Because 90 percent of your education you can easily get right from a good manual. It also makes doing tutorials and books so much faster and easier to comprehend.

I use the lightwave manual quite often. I downloaded in PDF for the very reason of having a search option. The printed manual costs almost as much as a second screen!

I don't mind suggestions when I said that I mean that I often get suggestions that were not in my range of thinking like something simple as the library. when someone is so dependent on the internet for research one for gets that vast free book place

xxiii
12-02-2011, 01:20 PM
I like books because sometimes I'll miss a key setting on a setup of something and like books for reference.

I agree with this. videos remind me too much of those cooking shows where you drop the chicken on the floor but the presenter goes right on talking. And then they mention some ingredient you don't happen to have right in front of you like the presenter does.

Text is easier to reference, and also lets me go at my own pace.

I'm disturbed lately by the trend for companies to put their primary documentation in video form (lwcad, urbanpad to name two that I am familiar with). I suppose show is easier than tell (especially when a technical writer isn't available) but it doesn't work so well for reference purposes.

I don't have 3dmax, but with After Effects so far I've gotten by with just its included documentation, although I'm not trying to do anything terribly advanced with it yet.

When I use the adobe help viewer it frequently comes up with links to additional printed material (beyond the manual). On the video side, there are a lot of tutorials at http://tv.adobe.com

Surrealist.
12-02-2011, 02:42 PM
I use the lightwave manual quite often. I downloaded in PDF for the very reason of having a search option. The printed manual costs almost as much as a second screen!

I don't mind suggestions when I said that I mean that I often get suggestions that were not in my range of thinking like something simple as the library. when someone is so dependent on the internet for research one for gets that vast free book place

OK Cool. Thanks for the clarification. Good luck with your learning. :)

BigHache
12-02-2011, 04:27 PM
Thanks all so far for the After Effects book suggestions so far. It's funny how I ask a question on this forum and someone tells me the opposite

The funny thing with questions, is the answer is sometimes the opposite of what you ask. Video Copilot is a great resource for learning good, practical principles in AE. Kramer covers topics from VFX to motion graphics. These principles allow you to build up techniques for future projects. This aspect is what some people miss. Kramer's tutorials should be viewed as building blocks. Also if you have a particular question about AE, I think there's enough collective experience in these forums that could answer most anything.

I like a good book myself but I've become less inclined to spend $60 or whatever on a book that may become obsolete in a year or two because the software changed.