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IgnusFast
11-10-2011, 08:53 PM
??? Just got an email about ordering the Lightwave 11 Pre-Release? Is Core just plain dead now?

Boris Goreta
11-10-2011, 09:00 PM
Just bought it, downloading ...

Wade
11-10-2011, 09:03 PM
Where is the like button for just bought and down loading - that was fast. :thumbsup:

magoo
11-10-2011, 09:04 PM
Just bought it, downloading ...

Crickey! You're keen!

While it says:
With your purchase of the LightWave 11 Pre-Release Upgrade, get instancing, flocking and fracture capabilities. Bullet dynamics. Expanded Virtual Studio Tools. GoZ™ support. And more.

I'd be wanting to know how those tools work and what else is under the hood before jumping in!(at least seeing some vids of the tools in use!)

magoo
11-10-2011, 09:10 PM
Here we go: http://www.newtek.com/features-lightwave-menu.html

Boris Goreta
11-10-2011, 09:14 PM
What is there to think about ? I'd pay an upgrade price just for one of the feature listed. GoZ will be sweet, oh, the download is finished, let me get through the registration process ...


Crickey! You're keen!

While it says:
With your purchase of the LightWave 11 Pre-Release Upgrade, get instancing, flocking and fracture capabilities. Bullet dynamics. Expanded Virtual Studio Tools. GoZ™ support. And more.

I'd be wanting to know how those tools work and what else is under the hood before jumping in!(at least seeing some vids of the tools in use!)

magoo
11-10-2011, 09:17 PM
What is there to think about ? I'd pay an upgrade price just for one of the feature listed. GoZ will be sweet, oh, the download is finished, let me get through the registration process ...

LOL! Boris, you've just nominated yourself "Reviewer no#1"!

Let us know how all those loverly new features work!

JeffrySG
11-10-2011, 09:18 PM
??? Is Core just plain dead now?

Yes, core as a stand alone is and has been dead for many months now. All tech they were building for core will be put into LW if possible as we are seeing now.

Wopmay
11-10-2011, 09:21 PM
Just bought it, downloading ...

Do tell. How much? All I see is a call for pricing button.

Boris Goreta
11-10-2011, 09:22 PM
it's 390 USD

review #1

LW 11 has a new light wireframe icon, go NEWTEK !

GandB
11-10-2011, 09:27 PM
Is that price from Version 10 only?

monovich
11-10-2011, 09:28 PM
I'm so buying this tomorrow! Reading about it on a phone sucks!

Wopmay
11-10-2011, 09:28 PM
Oy. I just got 10 a few days ago. But for instancing alone...

Bill1955
11-10-2011, 09:29 PM
They are going to have to do more than show me a long list of things that they claim are included. I want to see proof that this features work. As far as Newtek is concern I am from Missouri, they are going to have to show me and then I have to get affirmative confirmation from the community as a whole that they are telling the truth this time.

Bill1955
11-10-2011, 09:34 PM
it's 390 USD

review #1

LW 11 has a new light wireframe icon, go NEWTEK !

Well that alone is surely worth 390 USD. Is this the final, beta or alpha version that we would be paying for?

Boris Goreta
11-10-2011, 09:35 PM
I just pressed a button and my model went directly from Layout to Zbrush, awesome !

magoo
11-10-2011, 09:38 PM
Well that alone is surely worth 390 USD. Is this the final, beta or alpha version that we would be paying for?

LOL! We're all waiting for Boris's computer to melt!

GoZ sounds nice.

Boris Goreta
11-10-2011, 09:44 PM
Yup, GoZ runs smoothly, no setup required, just hit GoZ and Zbrush opens with the model on the canvas, hit GoZ in ZBrush and the model updates in Layout. Sweet !

moussepipi2000
11-10-2011, 09:48 PM
Boris the only one pre release tester/ lol

Faith is on you

ShadowMystic
11-10-2011, 09:51 PM
Need more info on pricing. I was saving for my first commercial license on Lightwave 10 and now they go and throw my a curve ball. I need to get stable employment in the graphics industry before they start throwing me new upgrades!

moussepipi2000
11-10-2011, 09:52 PM
Shadow mystic .

heard for 390 dol

ShadowMystic
11-10-2011, 09:56 PM
390 for someone that had Lightwave 10 already? It was a bit of a rhetorical question as I know too early to be expect final pricing unless they continue with $700 for upgrade and $1500 for full. I have Lightwave v9 Educational that is almost 5 years old I think.

Dexter2999
11-10-2011, 10:00 PM
I'm seeing $495 as the price listed. Not sure if that was for my 9.6 seat or my 10.1 seat. I only got one notice.

ShadowMystic
11-10-2011, 10:08 PM
I hope it is $495! Thanks.


Alost anyone see this? http://www.newtek.com/features-lightwave-menu.html

shadowlock
11-10-2011, 10:31 PM
I keep crashing Dynamics!
Cool new toys to play with. Bouncing between 10.1 and 11 checking render speeds etc...

shadowlock
11-10-2011, 10:35 PM
Open GL improvements! like the interactive DOF no more waiting when you release the slider.

LMUSIC
11-10-2011, 10:38 PM
Anyone got the link to get V11?

phillydee
11-10-2011, 10:49 PM
Curious to find out what the difference between Upgrade, Upgrade-Charter, and Upgrade-Post is. Boris, did you pick up the Upgrade-Post? Seems that's the only one with a fixed price currently.

Phrog
11-10-2011, 11:40 PM
I'm seeing $695.00 as the price! I bought 10.1 and now I'm paying $200.00 more than the next guy??? What is up with that?

SBowie
11-10-2011, 11:42 PM
Hard CORE members get special pricing. The regular price for an upgrade is higher.

ShadowMystic
11-10-2011, 11:53 PM
Hard CORE members get special pricing. The regular price for an upgrade is higher.

Good to know. Is $700 a fair assumption for upgrade pricing as we've seen in the past?

SBowie
11-10-2011, 11:56 PM
Good to know. Is $700 a fair assumption for upgrade pricing as we've seen in the past?I think it's going to basically be whatever you see listed as the price you'd pay if you wanted to upgrade from 9.x to 10.1 right now. (You can probably look that up as easily as me, and I'm probably tireder than you are.) ;)

xchrisx
11-11-2011, 12:21 AM
Anyone know how much python was implemented thus far? The chess game they showed in the video doesnt really help because we have no idea what areas python has been incorporated into.

realgray
11-11-2011, 12:24 AM
Interesting... It is saying 695 for me even though I paid 495 and was told I was locking in that rate for the next five upgrades.

moussepipi2000
11-11-2011, 12:27 AM
show us the beast!

SBowie
11-11-2011, 12:28 AM
Interesting... It is saying 695 for me even though I paid 495 and was told I was locking in that rate for the next five upgrades.CS can likely sort this out for you.

realgray
11-11-2011, 12:34 AM
CS can likely sort this out for you.

Where is customer service in the new website?

meshpig
11-11-2011, 12:38 AM
Where's the Buy link again? I haven't received the email.

bazsa73
11-11-2011, 12:42 AM
I want it now!

Phrog
11-11-2011, 12:50 AM
I will have to contact customer service as well. I got the 10 upgrade for the $495 price and was under the impression that the price was fixed for 5 years. Too many pricing schemes now - this is a bit of a mess (again).

The other question I have is why is the link to the software only valid for 5 days? You mean after I plop down my $500 or $700 I only have access to the files for 5 days? All other companies that I have brought from online keep the software online (inlcuding newtek!) for as long as I have an account.

It also annoys me that things like bullett physics are in this new version when it was clearly promised for the last version. Don't get me wrong the upgrade looks like it will have great promise it's just all these other little niggly annoyances make me just shake my head!

mborge
11-11-2011, 01:14 AM
Where's the Buy link again? I haven't received the email.

Go to Newtek.com click on Lightwave in the menu.
On the lefthand side of the LW page there's a sidebar with "buying links/options" for various products including: LightWave 11 Pre-Release Upgrade. You need to log in first.

In that left sidebar, below the items to buy, is an Account Login. (Took me a bit to see it but, it's there on the left of the page.)
Now in the email that was sent, NT created a new account for me to use.
The username just appears to be your email and they generate a password for you. You enter those there on the lefthand side of the LW page. You might have to register - the link for registering is right below the login fields.

Once logged in, a Logout button appears where you logged in, and above that you'll see the words/link "Account Maintenance" - here you can update your info and change your password etc. - You'll want to do this; my information was incomplete.

Also, once you're logged in the content on the page should have an option at the bottom listing a price next to LightWave 11 Pre-Release. I joined HardCore at a price of $495 so that's the locked-in price for me. Your price may differ. (Note, I had a bunch of call for pricing links above the one with the price. So look for the one with the price.)

Hope that helps.

Digital Hermit
11-11-2011, 01:33 AM
What's the difference between:
LightWave 11 Pre-Release Upgrade (Call for Pricing)
LightWave 11 Pre-Release Upgrade-Charter (Call for Pricing)
LightWave 11 Pre-Release Upgrade-Post ($495.00)

I also paid for the HC Upgrade and did not ask for a refund. Does that make a difference?

geo_n
11-11-2011, 02:03 AM
Anyone testing lw 11, how does it affect workflow with exrtrader and vfxwizards AElink? The lw11 features says render buffer improvment. Any benefits at all with the plugins?

cagey5
11-11-2011, 02:11 AM
What's the difference between:
LightWave 11 Pre-Release Upgrade (Call for Pricing)
LightWave 11 Pre-Release Upgrade-Charter (Call for Pricing)
LightWave 11 Pre-Release Upgrade-Post ($495.00)

I also paid for the HC Upgrade and did not ask for a refund. Does that make a difference?

It would appear that the item that includes an actual price, in your case $495, is the payment plan you are entitled to. The other options are therefore either not available to you or more expensive. I would imagine if you called for pricing, that is pretty much what you would be told.

mikala
11-11-2011, 02:12 AM
She's a fast beasty!
Thanks for GoZ!

meshpig
11-11-2011, 02:16 AM
Go to Newtek.com click on Lightwave in the menu.
On the lefthand side of the LW page there's a sidebar with "buying links/options" for various products including: LightWave 11 Pre-Release Upgrade. You need to log in first.

In that left sidebar, below the items to buy, is an Account Login. (Took me a bit to see it but, it's there on the left of the page.)
Now in the email that was sent, NT created a new account for me to use.
The username just appears to be your email and they generate a password for you. You enter those there on the lefthand side of the LW page. You might have to register - the link for registering is right below the login fields.

Once logged in, a Logout button appears where you logged in, and above that you'll see the words/link "Account Maintenance" - here you can update your info and change your password etc. - You'll want to do this; my information was incomplete.

Also, once you're logged in the content on the page should have an option at the bottom listing a price next to LightWave 11 Pre-Release. I joined HardCore at a price of $495 so that's the locked-in price for me. Your price may differ. (Note, I had a bunch of call for pricing links above the one with the price. So look for the one with the price.)

Hope that helps.

Hey thanks mborge

Done! When I bought HC in the first wave $495 was really $695 AUD ... now it's ever so slightly < :)

jburford
11-11-2011, 02:21 AM
I am also a little confused. . .
Is the upgrade offer (at the shown price) only available for 5 days, or is the download link (after purchase/upgrade) only available for 5 days after purchase?

Darth Mole
11-11-2011, 02:29 AM
Downloaded - let's see what she can do!

DiscoBurgess
11-11-2011, 02:31 AM
Also confused here. It says the upgrade is only available to Lightwave 10 owners... is there no upgrade path from v9? I was hoping to update my v9 to v11 at some point.

stevenpalomino
11-11-2011, 03:14 AM
Finally! Python!

Zimtower
11-11-2011, 03:22 AM
The charter price is the price for the people who paid $395 for the Core/Hardcore charter membership way back. I was one of those first people so I get the $395 price. I don't know what the non-hardcore members get.

DarkLight
11-11-2011, 03:38 AM
I asked this in another thread but maybe somebody here can answer.

Is the Lightwave 11 trial available to HC members or just to anyone who buys the upgrade?

Signed up for the shop but all i see is "call for pricing"

3DGFXStudios
11-11-2011, 03:44 AM
Where's the Buy link again? I haven't received the email.

I've the same problem. I also didn't receive an email! :grumpy:

funk
11-11-2011, 03:50 AM
No email here either

keta
11-11-2011, 03:53 AM
No email here either
No email for me either and my Hardcore member ship is still active. This is well confusing!!! And I also get no pricing!!!!

Boris Goreta
11-11-2011, 04:19 AM
I bought Upgrade-Charter because this one had a fixed price and "put in a shopping cart" button. Other options had just "ask for price" link. I was just looking for "BUY" button, didn't really pay attention to price or which option I was buying, I just had to had it that instant. :)


Curious to find out what the difference between Upgrade, Upgrade-Charter, and Upgrade-Post is. Boris, did you pick up the Upgrade-Post? Seems that's the only one with a fixed price currently.

Surrealist.
11-11-2011, 05:23 AM
There are no options for me to buy, download, upgrade or anything. And trying to log in to my account just gives an error message. All the links I have end in a blank page with "call for pricing".


The phones are going to be very busy when they get to work today. :)

LW 11 looks to be pretty cool and it has some features I could use.

cagey5
11-11-2011, 05:23 AM
Also confused here. It says the upgrade is only available to Lightwave 10 owners... is there no upgrade path from v9? I was hoping to update my v9 to v11 at some point.

The pre-release version is listed for registered owners of LW10.0/10.1. I'm sure when the final version is available later this year then there will be the usual upgrade path.

cagey5
11-11-2011, 05:24 AM
What happened to free interim upgrades, like 10.5 ?
Its not like NT is NOT catching up, and those
Instances arent the real deal again...

Aren't the real deal in what way?

Boris Goreta
11-11-2011, 05:27 AM
On the left side there is a top list of products. Look for charter option there and press that, that's how I found a fixed figure and buy button.

"There are no options for me to buy, download, upgrade or anything. And trying to log in to my account just gives an error message. All the links I have end in a blank page with "call for pricing".


The phones are going to be very busy when they get to work today.

LW 11 looks to be pretty cool and it has some features I could use."

The Dommo
11-11-2011, 05:30 AM
Very exciting.

Boris, I should've known you'd be at the front of the shopping queue!! :P

Boris Goreta
11-11-2011, 05:35 AM
I was camping in a tent for days to get it first, I look like sh*t.

Shift clicking in the VPR to fire up a surface editor is a huuuge workflow enhacement. Great !


( notice to administrator: there is no faul language, people can look bad when fired upon from a weapon too, I've seen it in FPS games )



Very exciting.

Boris, I should've known you'd be at the front of the shopping queue!! :P

Surrealist.
11-11-2011, 05:57 AM
On the left side there is a top list of products. Look for charter option there and press that, that's how I found a fixed figure and buy button.



I read your earlier post about this. Clicked on every link, tried to log in. Nothing. Everything leads to a dead end.:)

prometheus
11-11-2011, 06:01 AM
My hardcore membership expired 2011-10-31 so thatīs why I didnīt see any news about this in my mail..and what does that mean for me?
Do I get it cheaper as a former hardcore member or do I have to pay the full price for the upgrade?

Michael

SBowie
11-11-2011, 06:07 AM
Where is customer service in the new website?Details on the bottom of this page: http://www.newtek.com/support.html

Surrealist.
11-11-2011, 06:08 AM
Very exciting.

Boris, I should've known you'd be at the front of the shopping queue!! :P

And so it looks like I am a jack *** after all! :D

But I gotta tell ya, deal or no deal that was pretty cagey of them don't you think? I asked them point blank about LW 11, to which the response was, "well we are aware of the event but, ah nothing about any release".

So I upgrade to LW 10.1 and the very next day - new website - new links - announcing the release and a released and people are already downloading the bastich!

I mean a lesser man would feel betrayed! :D

It'll all work out I am sure. :)

SBowie
11-11-2011, 06:09 AM
or is the download link (after purchase/upgrade) only available for 5 days after purchase?That's apparently the meaning ....

Surrealist.
11-11-2011, 06:09 AM
Details on the bottom of this page: http://www.newtek.com/support.html

Do you ever sleep? :D

SBowie
11-11-2011, 06:14 AM
It says the upgrade is only available to Lightwave 10 owners... is there no upgrade path from v9? I was hoping to update my v9 to v11 at some point.I'm 100% certain that "at some point" it will be possible, just as it always has been possible to jump from any version to the current one in one go. Looks like 10.x is a prerequisite for this pre-release version.

prometheus
11-11-2011, 06:15 AM
I like the way the presentation was done graphicly on the Lightwave 11 features menu..it looks good.

Also the page on the support is lookin better, but they could still improve on it , I donīt understand why the seperation of the menu in one top menu and one at the end of the page, Iīm constantly missing the communities button at the top...why not placing the lower menu just underneath the top menu?

Michael

SBowie
11-11-2011, 06:16 AM
Its not like NT is NOT catching up, and those
Instances arent the real deal again...In what respect? (Everyone I've seen who has tested them was really, really pleased with the implementation.)

SBowie
11-11-2011, 06:23 AM
My hardcore membership expired 2011-10-31 so thatīs why I didnīt see any news about this in my mail..and what does that mean for me?lHC memberships haven't really expired yet. This has come up for people repeatedly all through the HC period. Most of these sort of questions are easily sorted out by talking to CS, or in some cases, to Sales. (I hope those guys have ready access to some tylenol today.) :)

SBowie
11-11-2011, 06:24 AM
Do you ever sleep? :DActually, I slept more last night than I have any noght in the previous week. Sad, really .... :foreheads

Boris Goreta
11-11-2011, 06:25 AM
Were are the instructions on how to use new features like instancing and bullet ?

BlueApple
11-11-2011, 06:29 AM
...and those
Instances arent the real deal again...

What is your critique of the instancing scheme in LW 11? I haven't used it yet and cannot comment on it, but would like to know what others think.

Can anyone confirm that LW 11 runs on Mac OS 10.6.8?

COBRASoft
11-11-2011, 06:37 AM
Well, instancing works and it seems to be very fast :).

I would also like to have more info on bullet and the other new things.

ikarth
11-11-2011, 07:18 AM
Well, instancing works and it seems to be very fast :).

I would also like to have more info on bullet and the other new things.

I'm flailing around trying to figure out flocking. I'd love to see some documentation on how I'm supposed to set it up...

Emmanuel
11-11-2011, 07:25 AM
Well, check 3d max, c4d etc for real instancing.classic case
For instancing is building a house, add a window
And add the other windows as instances. Should you need
To change all the windows, just change the reference
And all the instances of the window will
Change with it. Instancing should thus be
A modeler feature.

Emmanuel
11-11-2011, 07:28 AM
Generally this major update lacks essential
Modeler updates again, where is the uv tools
Already promised for 10 ? Where is history ?
Where is the CORE stuff at all ? The one
Feature for me is GoZ, but isnt that free for
Maya, c4d and max ?

-EsHrA-
11-11-2011, 07:33 AM
the whole idea of Core was to create a new modern fundament that would facilitate new features current LW could not support.

so basically .. how are these new features shoehorned in??..
more hacks and workarounds?..

just curious..


mlon

wsi
11-11-2011, 07:38 AM
Instancing should thus be A modeler feature.
You can still build the house that way. Only you have to switch back and forth layout/modeler like mad :D

robpowers3d
11-11-2011, 07:38 AM
Anyone know how much python was implemented thus far? The chess game they showed in the video doesnt really help because we have no idea what areas python has been incorporated into.

Python implementation currently is on parity with Lscript and in some way exceeds the Lscript implementation. More details will be coming as we move toward final release of LightWave 11.

robpowers3d
11-11-2011, 07:39 AM
Interesting... It is saying 695 for me even though I paid 495 and was told I was locking in that rate for the next five upgrades.

If that is the case then customer service will work it out for you through looking up your records. No worries.

robpowers3d
11-11-2011, 07:40 AM
I will have to contact customer service as well. I got the 10 upgrade for the $495 price and was under the impression that the price was fixed for 5 years. Too many pricing schemes now - this is a bit of a mess (again).

The other question I have is why is the link to the software only valid for 5 days? You mean after I plop down my $500 or $700 I only have access to the files for 5 days? All other companies that I have brought from online keep the software online (inlcuding newtek!) for as long as I have an account.

It also annoys me that things like bullett physics are in this new version when it was clearly promised for the last version. Don't get me wrong the upgrade looks like it will have great promise it's just all these other little niggly annoyances make me just shake my head!

I will check with our IT department on this. It is supposed to be for 5 downloads not 5 days. It means you can download it five times over any length of time.

robpowers3d
11-11-2011, 07:42 AM
She's a fast beasty!
Thanks for GoZ!

Glad you are liking it! Yes GoZ is a really awesome workflow. I'm using it a lot myself.

robpowers3d
11-11-2011, 07:44 AM
Also confused here. It says the upgrade is only available to Lightwave 10 owners... is there no upgrade path from v9? I was hoping to update my v9 to v11 at some point.

You will be able to purchase the LightWave 11 final release at the regular upgrade price when it is released.

DiscoBurgess
11-11-2011, 07:45 AM
I'm 100% certain that "at some point" it will be possible, just as it always has been possible to jump from any version to the current one in one go. Looks like 10.x is a prerequisite for this pre-release version.

I get it now, that makes sense. Thanks!

robpowers3d
11-11-2011, 07:46 AM
I asked this in another thread but maybe somebody here can answer.

Is the Lightwave 11 trial available to HC members or just to anyone who buys the upgrade?

Signed up for the shop but all i see is "call for pricing"

Yes it is available to HardCore members especially. If you have an issue with your upgrade then contact customer service at [email protected] and they will assist you.

3DGFXStudios
11-11-2011, 07:47 AM
Hey Rob! I'd like to get the first email. Didn't get the magic email with the login, and it's not in my spam folder or and other email account.

SBowie
11-11-2011, 07:49 AM
Hey Rob! I'd like to get the first email. Didn't get the magic email with the login, and it's not in my spam folder or and other email account.In all fairness, Rob has been in LA for days, was up late last night, and this is really a CS issue, not one for a VP - right? Just sayin' ....

Shahn3D
11-11-2011, 07:55 AM
In all fairness, Rob has been in LA for days, was up late last night, and this is really a CS issue, not one for a VP - right? Just sayin' ....

Ugh.. get a room...

littlewaves
11-11-2011, 07:57 AM
Ugh.. get a room...

you created an account to say that?

Get a room with yourself dude.

Dexter2999
11-11-2011, 08:02 AM
Where is the CORE stuff at all ?

Python?
Bullet?
Instancing?


Not to single out any one person but the recent negativity on the boards in general really paints the LW community in a bad light. First, CelShader gives a heads up about LW being used on a primetime production with some kick *** animation being done and people complain about the writing on the show. Not too long ago I remember people complaining because they weren't hearing about LW being used in productions. Then we hear about it in a production and people complain.

LW 9 took a long time for full release and people complain. "When is it? It's taking forever!" Newtek introduces a full release inside a year and people complain, "I just paid for an upgrade what do you mean I have to spend more money?"

Now, there is a release where we are getting major improvements bringing in features promised in CORE (not in Modeler or Layout but the standalone app.) and it is more negativity. Added in the fracture ability to blow things apart like we used to do with a plug in, but now it is native. "Meh." Also added in is a cost effective way so hobbyists get added options for controlling the virtual walkthrough? "Meh." Did I hear Rob say they did some work where assets that used to take 30 minutes to load now load in three or four minutes? "Meh. Oh they threw in GoZ and Unity? "Well, I guess that's cool. Where are my modeler tools?"

It's like just because the things presented aren't what you were looking for specifically that they have no value. (Again, not speaking to any individual in particular.)

In general, positive announcements being made are being met with negativity that is uncalled for. If you can't say something nice people, maybe you shouldn't be saying anything at all.

walfridson
11-11-2011, 08:08 AM
Python implementation currently is on parity with Lscript and in some way exceeds the Lscript implementation. More details will be coming as we move toward final release of LightWave 11.
Sweet Finally Python!!!

Hope it exceeds the Lscript docs as well ey ;)

50one
11-11-2011, 08:08 AM
Well, you can't please everyone.

I'm excited about the Ps3 move controller cause it absolutely blows in games so maybe it will be useful here, especially since I'm usually showcasing designs done in 3d - imagine people faces when I'll use the PS3 move hehehe, can't wait.

3DGFXStudios
11-11-2011, 08:12 AM
In all fairness, Rob has been in LA for days, was up late last night, and this is really a CS issue, not one for a VP - right? Just sayin' ....

Oh yes but it would be nice to get a response from CS :thumbsup:

Wilfrick
11-11-2011, 08:21 AM
I'm an HC member from first "time", so I can get the upgrade ad 395$, and I found this right price on my account shop page. ok, all right.

Only I want to know how much time I have to buy the upgrade.... there is a limit date? maybe I must to buy today and if I not buy now now I lose my special HC price? Maybe 1 week? Or maybe can I wait december?

(I ask this because I'm waiting some payment from my customers...).

And the invoice is from NT USA or NT EUROPE? (I'm in Italy (sigh! :cry:), if the invoice is from europe I need to make a special document for 100 Euro.... you understand that it is really better for me to buy from USA...).

Thankyou for any info.

Netvudu
11-11-2011, 08:23 AM
I totally agree with Dexter. I donīt know whatīs up with all people being negative when itīs a day to be very happy about the tool evolution. I really donīt get some people around here always complaining no matter what.
Itīs their right, of course, but it gets boring really fast.

One thing I didnīt pay attention at the beginning but itīs starting to get exciting is the whole virtual navigation tools thing. I mean, how inexpensive is to stick a Playstation Move to your camera in order to get real-time motion control of your LW camera? I wanna test it, but it sounds incredible for saving lots of painstaking camera tracking.

Boris Goreta
11-11-2011, 08:30 AM
I bought it from US, I live in Europe too.


I'm an HC member from first "time", so I can get the upgrade ad 395$, and I found this right price on my account shop page. ok, all right.

Only I want to know how much time I have to buy the upgrade.... there is a limit date? maybe I must to buy today and if I not buy now now I lose my special HC price? Maybe 1 week? Or maybe can I wait december?

(I ask this because I'm waiting some payment from my customers...).

And the invoice is from NT USA or NT EUROPE? (I'm in Italy (sigh! :cry:), if the invoice is from europe I need to make a special document for 100 Euro.... you understand that it is really better for me to buy from USA...).

Thankyou for any info.

GandB
11-11-2011, 08:36 AM
Again; I don't see anything at all talking about the Unity workflow in the features list, I really need to see what's included with this and be able to test it without buying the product first. Last I knew the LW demo was unable to save or export anything. As for complaining about the complainers, they have their right to argue their points...just as you do yours. If you don't like it, try not to read it. It's true that you can't please everyone; but the Modeler tools haven't had a real update in HOW long?

lardbros
11-11-2011, 08:41 AM
Cheer up everyone!! I've just bought... but have to wait until I get home to recieve the goods! :D I've had a look at the features previously, but am happy that they are near production ready, they seemed very full-featured... and I cannot wait to give bullet a go! :D

I think Dexter is spot on here!

The problem is with many in this community is that they are very fickle... if Newtek does something great they will lick *****, then the second something goes wrong, they blab to everyone everywhere that LW is rubbish... it's a self-fulfilling prophecy... if you tell everyone, then everyone will think it is (despite it being far from it), then when Newtek deliver something cool people will be sceptical.

The sheer amount of features in this version is easily worth the $395 (or Ģ250) for me, anyway!

I am quite amazed how well Rob and the team have been motivated to get THIS much done in less than a year! This is the tip of the iceberg... imagine what happens next year... and that'll be without all the hassle of the CORE issues at the beginning of the year! :D

Boris Goreta
11-11-2011, 08:45 AM
Oh, yes ! Instancer can show instances as solid meshes ! How cool is that ?

Dexter2999
11-11-2011, 08:45 AM
People say where is all the negativity coming from? Really?

I don't want to come off as one of those disgruntled types -- but for all you movie buffs out there.. remember the movie Misery when Annie was upset at the way Paul Sheldon resurrected the book character that he originally killed off? She said it wasn't fair because the character was in the ground and he tried to say it was a dream or something... she said "NO!.. she was dead and in the ground.. you have to start from there..

Well.. what is my point you ask? Good question.. I do have one I think.

I (as well as many others) bought LW10 Full commercial copy solely on the promise of the Core technology that was being hyped to no end.. then when I found out it wasn't happening a few months after buying it (or at least in the way we were originally told..) I felt really misled.. and was hoping that Newtek would try to compensate.

So... instead of a v10 Core release by end of year (as originally promised).. we have a "pay us more money" release.. with features like GOz which in my opinion should be free?!? We have to pay for that functionality? Isn't it free for other competing packages?

So now everyone is so quick to download the new version.. all giddy like school girls... and we are to be happy with a discounted price? I say.. for new LW10 Hardcore members.. it should be free! Just saying... this is all my personal opinion from someone who feels slapped in the face by the Newtek alien.. Am I taking crazy pills here? Weren't we just a little dupped?



If you bought LW10 (and not into the CORE program) you got VPR native, Stereoscopic camera tools, Virtual Studio, Color Space options, and more.

I don't know what "hype" you heard that wasn't delivered.

Your reaction is normal I suppose. You want more tools for no money. Newtek can't stay in business just giving away major improvements in the program.

I know many users feel "gyped" after buying LW10. I myself noted that LW10 release seemed more targeted at professional studios rather than individuals. But if you read the literature and made the purchase, you got what was being promoted (again if you bought LW10 and not CORE...different situation altogether.)

All I can say is that if you bought into LW10 and were left unsatisfied, you need to take a hard look at 11 and see if the tools being provided offer you any practical use before shelling out more cash.

Personally, this is why I tend to skip releases on my software.

probiner
11-11-2011, 08:50 AM
In general, positive announcements being made are being met with negativity that is uncalled for. If you can't say something nice people, maybe you shouldn't be saying anything at all.

Hence the low activity on the forums? Yes we do see some cases of excess, venting over others, immaturity, etc (yeah yea put me in too). I would say instead "If you really have something NOT nice to say, say it the most respectfull mature way". One thing is to drop pies on people, another is to be critic and explain why.



CelShader gives a heads up about LW being used on a primetime production with some kick *** animation being done and people complain about the writing on the show. Not too long ago I remember people complaining because they weren't hearing about LW being used in productions. Then we hear about it in a production and people complain.
You're wrong. If VFX doesnt, find a good story o stands on a good timing and storytelling, it's going to suffer.
When you see Terra Nova, you don't see VFX's breakdowns that she and her mates have done, you see the whole thing.
Personally I would like to see even more of the dinassaurs and the wild and the strange tech, not just as slap-stick props before you move on to the next thing, but make something come to life.
Caramba! These people go back in the Mesozaic and you sense little awe from them for being there. Not a bit of exploration feeling. They just sit on that fort and go on in a 'normal' day life in a modern home. Again it's not about throwing pies, it's about being critic of what you see.
Celshader if you are reading this, a VFX breakdown of the work you've done on the show would be great. The peek we saw last night was great.


As for LW11 presentation. It was good. Only bad thing was how Abiogenesis was presented, could have been half of the time. Congrats to NT. You hit some nails with that presentation that were long due and you even came out with a bit sense of innovation. You didn't make a big fuss, you just delivered.

After Rob and Jeri Ryan left. I was hoping to see Lino again with the Alien: "So that's it? You guys are leaving?" :)


The next step could be to have an artist like William Vaughan showing that those features are not presentation only, and demoing how they actually work and how it's performance is, like he has done before.

Cheers

Shahn3D
11-11-2011, 08:51 AM
If you bought LW10 (and not into the CORE program) you got VPR native, Stereoscopic camera tools, Virtual Studio, Color Space options, and more.


The core program was free during that promotion... I wouldn't have said what I said without being a core member..

skype6
11-11-2011, 09:00 AM
Come on, put a video or image from the some additional features , like Bullet Dynamics or Instancing in action!!!

robpowers3d
11-11-2011, 09:03 AM
Hey Rob! I'd like to get the first email. Didn't get the magic email with the login, and it's not in my spam folder or and other email account.

Contact customer service at [email protected] and they can help you with this.

geo_n
11-11-2011, 09:03 AM
So it was cheaper to wait for lw 11 and upgrade from lw 9 to lw11 with 695USD than to upgrade from lw 9 to lw 10.1(395-495USD) plus lw 11(395-495USD).
:D Anyway I wonder since I upgraded to lw 10.1 for 495USD, IF I skip lw 11 BUT upgrade to lw 12,13,14,15, does that still mean I can upgrade for 495USD on lw 13,14,15? :D

SBowie
11-11-2011, 09:08 AM
So it was cheaper to wait for lw 11 and upgrade from lw 9 to lw11 Historically, of course, it's basically always true that you come out money ahead (with respect to purchase costs) by skipping versions. But of course, you miss out on some period of time using the skipped version tools - and in this particular case, the extra savings due to the discount extended to the next four versions. Depending on what you skip and what you don't, you could come out either money ahead or behind - ignoring income you might make from using the most recent tools, if applicable.

robpowers3d
11-11-2011, 09:09 AM
So it was cheaper to wait for lw 11 and upgrade from lw 9 to lw11 with 695USD than to upgrade from lw 9 to lw 10.1(395-495USD) plus lw 11(395-495USD).
:D Anyway I wonder since I upgraded to lw 10.1 for 495USD, IF I skip lw 11 BUT upgrade to lw 12,13,14,15, does that still mean I can upgrade for 495USD on lw 13,14,15? :D

If you do not take advantage of your upgrade offer for 11 then your next upgrade would be a the full upgrade price. The special pricing is only maintained if you take advantage of it for each version. However, there will be a trial version of LightWave 11 when we release the final LightWave 11 software and we will allow a window of time for you to take advantage of the special pricing. I will be posting more information on this soon.

robpowers3d
11-11-2011, 09:12 AM
So it was cheaper to wait for lw 11 and upgrade from lw 9 to lw11 with 695USD than to upgrade from lw 9 to lw 10.1(395-495USD) plus lw 11(395-495USD).
:D Anyway I wonder since I upgraded to lw 10.1 for 495USD, IF I skip lw 11 BUT upgrade to lw 12,13,14,15, does that still mean I can upgrade for 495USD on lw 13,14,15? :D

The only problem with that line of thinking is that is it cheaper to not have access to new features for over a year that may prove useful to your workflow? It's kind of like the dilemma of upgrading your computer system. There will always be a faster processor and more ram coming. Could you have saved money if you stayed with a 386 all this time and then finally upgraded to an i7? Certainly, but that would be horrible! :) Just my 2 cents.

Dexter2999
11-11-2011, 09:19 AM
You're wrong. If VFX doesnt, find a good story o stands on a good timing and storytelling, it's going to suffer.
When you see Terra Nova, you don't see VFX's breakdowns that she and her mates have done, you see the whole thing.
Personally I would like to see even more of the dinassaurs and the wild and the strange tech, not just as slap-stick props before you move on to the next thing, but make something come to life.
Caramba! These people go back in the Mesozaic and you sense little awe from them for being there. Not a bit of exploration feeling. They just sit on that fort and go on in a 'normal' day life in a modern home. Again it's not about throwing pies, it's about being critic of what you see.
Celshader if you are reading this, a VFX breakdown of the work you've done on the show would be great. The peek we saw last night was great.


I get what you are saying but the criticism isn't valid pertaining to the VFX.

I remember seeing TRANSFORMERS and leaving I was so angry at John Turturro for his over top "ham" acting. I thought it was one of a few things that ruined the movie. It was the next day and I was still mad about it. This guy is a great actor and he is screwing up this movie that should be epic. I thought about the scene with him handcuffed to the lightpost in his section 7 t-shirt and the funny boxer shorts.

That was when it clicked. He didn't pick that t-shirt or the boxers. Those were costuming decisions approved by the director. His performance was also dictated by the director. He gave the director just what he wanted. John Turturro is a professional actor who gave the director what he asked for even if it was crap.

Similarly, the VFX team have no input over how the director chooses to have the actors behave. And they have little to no input over story. They might suggest a "cool shot" but they have no weight with the writers concerning story arc's.

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Well, as a link in this chain, I think the VFX are holding strong. The chain may fail but it won't be because of bad VFX.

And I don't know how to address the part of your post about VFX finding a good story. The story comes first. Good CG isn't going to fix a bad story. And you aren't going to find a good story based around VFX (look at LAST AIRBENDER, or GREENLANTERN)

aidenvfx
11-11-2011, 09:23 AM
If you do not take advantage of your upgrade offer for 11 then your next upgrade would be a the full upgrade price. The special pricing is only maintained if you take advantage of it for each version. However, there will be a trial version of LightWave 11 when we release the final LightWave 11 software and we will allow a window of time for you to take advantage of the special pricing. I will be posting more information on this soon.

Rob will Hardcore members have access to the prerelease 11 to play with or just the trial version when lw11 ships?

cresshead
11-11-2011, 09:33 AM
will there be a video available soon from that event on lightwave 11?

Boris Goreta
11-11-2011, 09:38 AM
Here is an example of instances. They are rendered as objects in OpenGL, positions are driven by particles, size and roations by a simple node network.

There is only one instanced element, a cloud of fire/smoke.

OpenGL preview, it plays realtime in viewport:

http://www.borisgoreta.com/forum/fire.mov

OpenGL screengrab:

http://www.borisgoreta.com/forum/OpenGL.JPG

Test render:

http://www.borisgoreta.com/forum/render.jpg


This can be incredibly useful for motion graphics too, since you can see and preview all of the elements.

Boris Goreta
11-11-2011, 09:38 AM
You can watch the video here:

http://www.stickam.com/viewMedia.do?mId=192404971





will there be a video available soon from that event on lightwave 11?

Emmanuel
11-11-2011, 09:41 AM
Whats the OpenGl updates ? Normal maps in
Modeler visible ?

wyattharris
11-11-2011, 10:00 AM
You can watch the video here:

http://www.stickam.com/viewMedia.do?mId=192404971
No dice, media does not exist. Hopefully we'll be able to something soon.

Gar
11-11-2011, 10:05 AM
Ok Rob Powers i have a question for you..

I just bought my 10.1 upgrade 2 months ago.

so with all the mumbo jumbo on your poor email, what is my upgrade price?

Surely your CS should have told me something like this was going to happen two months later...i have just spent 495 on a upgrade two months ago and and now it looks as though you need that again, just two months later.

I have used lightwave since the Amiga Toaster days....i have stuck with newtek , despite the HARDCORE problems you have had....but now i feel as though i am just being ripped off.

Don't get me wrong, the feature list looks great..but it should have been in V10 ...or some of them in a x.x release...

Please help me out here with some better press release info. Newtek as a company really needs to improve how it releases such information...this thread is proof of just that. NEWTEK has not made this new version clear at all...

Thanks
gar

m.d.
11-11-2011, 10:06 AM
I will check with our IT department on this. It is supposed to be for 5 downloads not 5 days. It means you can download it five times over any length of time.

when i purchased it said "3 downloads until 5 days after the first download"

that's a little chintzy

calilifestyle
11-11-2011, 10:17 AM
Ok Rob Powers i have a question for you..

I just bought my 10.1 upgrade 2 months ago.

so with all the mumbo jumbo on your poor email, what is my upgrade price?

Surely your CS should have told me something like this was going to happen two months later...i have just spent 495 on a upgrade two months ago and and now it looks as though you need that again, just two months later.

I have used lightwave since the Amiga Toaster days....i have stuck with newtek , despite the HARDCORE problems you have had....but now i feel as though i am just being ripped off.

Don't get me wrong, the feature list looks great..but it should have been in V10 ...or some of them in a x.x release...

Please help me out here with some better press release info. Newtek as a company really needs to improve how it releases such information...this thread is proof of just that. NEWTEK has not made this new version clear at all...

Thanks
gar

I could be wrong but i swear at the VFX MINDS Rob said people with 10.1 would get 11. maybe i miss understood. maybe he meant you have early access to .

dwburman
11-11-2011, 10:23 AM
Last I knew the LW demo was unable to save or export anything.

NT has been doing a 30 day demo since at least LW10. After the 30 days, it probably goes to the old Discovery Mode where you can't save from Layout and Modeler is limited in the number of points per layer.

alesxander
11-11-2011, 10:23 AM
Contact customer service at [email protected] and they can help you with this.

i am very anxious to try this version. i have not received the mail to download it.

i used a different e-mail when I bought LW and HC, and now that e-mail is closed. after that i created a new account at the store with my new e-mail.

i wrote to customer service, to associate my old account with the new, but i have not received a response. i suppose that they are very busy today.

thanks

Amurrell
11-11-2011, 10:23 AM
Haven't used Bullet before, until 5 minutes ago. Can anyone say painless? This is sweet. And the rendering engine seems to have got some love(?) cause it appears blazingly fast, although I haven't really put it to work on anything that difficult really, but liking the unified sampling (was that what it was called?). Shame on you NewTek for making me work on this well after my bed time last night just to Jones for it this morning.

monovich
11-11-2011, 10:25 AM
sent CS an email and I can't wait to plunk down my cash and give it a whirl.

GandB
11-11-2011, 10:36 AM
NT has been doing a 30 day demo since at least LW10. After the 30 days, it probably goes to the old Discovery Mode where you can't save from Layout and Modeler is limited in the number of points per layer.

Didn't know that, as I didn't download V10. From my past experience; it went straight to Discovery from day 1. If I can fully test this version, that would be a different story.

Mangoat
11-11-2011, 10:43 AM
Am I missing something (probably). Is it only a 32bit download at the moment?

zapper1998
11-11-2011, 10:44 AM
So where do u go to get LW 11????

Fadlabi
11-11-2011, 10:50 AM
I will check with our IT department on this. It is supposed to be for 5 downloads not 5 days. It means you can download it five times over any length of time.

5 days for downloading it's best than 5 download, Taking into account the possibility of a suddenly stop or disruption of the Internet connection

Thomas Helzle
11-11-2011, 11:06 AM
I personally think, that the bad vibrations are, while annoying and non-productive, very very much understandable and - up to a point - justified.

LW 7 was - for me - the last version where the users weren't somehow talked into "trusting Newtek to do the right thing" and then more or less left there hanging.
We had a very long and dry road through LW 8 & 9, then the whole Core/Hardcore disaster and finally a change of directions with LW 10's "Back to the roots" notion...

Newtek has stretched my patience and good humour like hardly any other software company ever before (well, maybe pmG was up to par ;-) ) and the main problems I have with Lightwave are unchanged to this day.

BUT, and this is a very big B.U.T. :
When Rob Powers took over, from the first moment I was under the impression that things started to make sense again.
Like in production, things that could be changed were changed, things that didn't work and delusions were dropped and very important things were added so people were actually able to use Lightwave - even with all it's shortcomings - in today's productions.

LW 10 looked rather solid to me - if all the Core-crap wouldn't have happened and it would have been released a year after 9.6, I think I would have been not overjoyed, but pretty pleased with it.
But since all the stuff we were promised didn't happen (for me Core in it's originally advertised form would have been a dream come true) it felt not really that interesting considering all the time spent.

So now there is 11.
I bought the update today and so far I like it a lot.
Finally antialiasing in LW makes sense. :-)
I didn't have a chance to test all the other new things yet, but I get the impression of a company that is delivering solid work again.

I guess it will take quite some time to get rid of all the bad-karma-points collected over the last years. The more relaxed everybody handles people who still suffer from all the crap they were through with Lightwave, the sooner it might fade.

For me, it will take another year or two and some more solid goodness from Newtek to really "trust" the company again, but 10 and 11 were/are good steps in that direction.

So: Big kudos to Rob Powers for bringing Lightwave back in line.

If one day modeler will be integrated and LW will have a history stack or even nodes like XSI, LW may be back being my favorite 3D-Software.

I finally dropped my XSI subscription this year, so I hope it doesn't take to long ;-)

Thanks and best regards,

Thomas Helzle

3DGFXStudios
11-11-2011, 11:09 AM
I still haven't heard anything from CS. How hard is it to send an email with a link. I emailed them this morning about 10 hours ago :stumped:

Mangoat
11-11-2011, 11:15 AM
Am I missing something (probably). Is it only a 32bit download at the moment?

Ah! Just being impatient. I hadn't waited for the second email with download links.

Surrealist.
11-11-2011, 11:21 AM
So where do u go to get LW 11????

Still a work in progress. If you are a core member you'll get an email as I understand it with your registration info to sign in and grab it for whatever upgrade price you have locked in.

The rest of us folks will have to wait.

This is how I understand it. I just got off the phone with NT CS. Apparently they are making all of the preps right now to service everyone. And the website seems to be really only currently set up for core members, who can log in purchase and download.

Looking like a great release so far.

Surrealist.
11-11-2011, 11:26 AM
I personally think, that the bad vibrations are, while annoying and non-productive, very very much understandable and - up to a point - justified.

LW 7 was - for me - the last version where the users weren't somehow talked into "trusting Newtek to do the right thing" and then more or less left there hanging.
We had a very long and dry road through LW 8 & 9, then the whole Core/Hardcore disaster and finally a change of directions with LW 10's "Back to the roots" notion...

Newtek has stretched my patience and good humour like hardly any other software company ever before (well, maybe pmG was up to par ;-) ) and the main problems I have with Lightwave are unchanged to this day.

BUT, and this is a very big B.U.T. :
When Rob Powers took over, from the first moment I was under the impression that things started to make sense again.
Like in production, things that could be changed were changed, things that didn't work and delusions were dropped and very important things were added so people were actually able to use Lightwave - even with all it's shortcomings - in today's productions.

LW 10 looked rather solid to me - if all the Core-crap wouldn't have happened and it would have been released a year after 9.6, I think I would have been not overjoyed, but pretty pleased with it.
But since all the stuff we were promised didn't happen (for me Core in it's originally advertised form would have been a dream come true) it felt not really that interesting considering all the time spent.

So now there is 11.
I bought the update today and so far I like it a lot.
Finally antialiasing in LW makes sense. :-)
I didn't have a chance to test all the other new things yet, but I get the impression of a company that is delivering solid work again.

I guess it will take quite some time to get rid of all the bad-karma-points collected over the last years. The more relaxed everybody handles people who still suffer from all the crap they were through with Lightwave, the sooner it might fade.

For me, it will take another year or two and some more solid goodness from Newtek to really "trust" the company again, but 10 and 11 were/are good steps in that direction.

So: Big kudos to Rob Powers for bringing Lightwave back in line.

If one day modeler will be integrated and LW will have a history stack or even nodes like XSI, LW may be back being my favorite 3D-Software.

I finally dropped my XSI subscription this year, so I hope it doesn't take to long ;-)

Thanks and best regards,

Thomas Helzle

Agreed pretty much on all points.Very well put. Especially about XSI.

It will take a while to get LW back on track. As frustrated as I have been with LW, if they can bring in the promise of CORE over the next few years as Rob as stated by integrating it bit by bit, then they will have done a very good thing. They are definitely going in the right direction. At least that is how this release feels.

lardbros
11-11-2011, 11:54 AM
How has everyone who's bought the pre-release LW11 got their license keys?? I cannot find it anywhere!

erikals
11-11-2011, 11:59 AM
...and we will allow a window of time for you to take advantage of the special pricing. I will be posting more information on this soon.

please don't make it too short.
(well, there will always be someone who say it is, but just sayin'...)

vncnt
11-11-2011, 12:09 PM
edit: cut

xxiii
11-11-2011, 12:10 PM
...a VFX breakdown of the work you've done on the show [Terra Nova] would be great. The peek we saw last night was great.


What I found especially interesting in that was how much other CG there was, besides the stuff that everyone "knows" is CG.

This is when CG really shines, when you are looking at something, and it doesn't even occur to you to think its a CG creation (which is helped when the object in question could have been done practically, so your brain isn't pre-primed to assume CG).

vncnt
11-11-2011, 12:11 PM
Will there ever be a "GoZ" in LW11 for 3DCoat?

lardbros
11-11-2011, 12:19 PM
Will there ever be a "GoZ" in LW11 for 3DCoat?

Isn't there a free plugin available from the 3dCoat website for this? Never used it, but i know there is something over there! Not sure how well it integrates, but sure it's ok.


Anyone willing to let me know how to get my license key for LW11? Just messing in discovery mode right now :)

monovich
11-11-2011, 12:21 PM
3d coat has something that sends back and forth with LW. It doesn't look 1 click but it looks pretty cool. Check their site or youtube channel.

jasonwestmas
11-11-2011, 12:22 PM
There are no options for me to buy, download, upgrade or anything. And trying to log in to my account just gives an error message. All the links I have end in a blank page with "call for pricing".


The phones are going to be very busy when they get to work today. :)

LW 11 looks to be pretty cool and it has some features I could use.

You have to log into the store using the name and pass that is emailed to you. =)

Bonedaddio
11-11-2011, 12:22 PM
Hi, well, being the type of occassional user I am, and an idiot, I missed the email in my inbox with all the version download links... All the versions are there, and I suppose I would register for a key (???)

My apologies to anyone who read the previous, un-edited version of this email.

"Honest Officer... it just crawled into my hand!" F. Zappa

Les

jasonwestmas
11-11-2011, 12:23 PM
Isn't there a free plugin available from the 3dCoat website for this? Never used it, but i know there is something over there! Not sure how well it integrates, but sure it's ok.


Anyone willing to let me know how to get my license key for LW11? Just messing in discovery mode right now :)

Chuck says to register LW 11 to get the key.

cresshead
11-11-2011, 12:27 PM
Will there ever be a "GoZ" in LW11 for 3DCoat?

http://3d-coat.com/applinks/

Bonedaddio
11-11-2011, 12:39 PM
For license key, just register product as normally, CS emails the License Key(s) almost immediately. Now for the install... to see if it's as simple (and a cool as) all that.
I'm hopefull... and p'raps gullible...

Les

Gar
11-11-2011, 12:40 PM
I have just spoken to CS, and they told me to hold off doing anything for a couple of days.

There may be something in place for those who have recently purchased 10.1

Fingers crossed. Because they are not getting 695 from me after i just spent 495 two months ago...


gar

vncnt
11-11-2011, 12:42 PM
Ok, this freaks me out.
Just received an e-mail (within 1 hour after my post) promoting app-link and v3.7 of 3D-Coat (http://3d-coat.com/3d-coat-37/ BTW).
Thanks Andrew Shpagin (and others)!

You were right Cresshead, itīs available here: http://3d-coat.com/applinks/LightWave

Iīve just sent CS asking for a login account to buy a download for LW11.
Lotīs to do this weekend, even if CS doesnīt respond this weekend.

mikala
11-11-2011, 12:42 PM
How has everyone who's bought the pre-release LW11 got their license keys?? I cannot find it anywhere!

I was sent a comfirm/key email within seconds of purchase.

mikala
11-11-2011, 12:44 PM
For license key, just register product as normally, CS emails the License Key(s) almost immediately. Now for the install... to see if it's as simple (and a cool as) all that.
I'm hopefull... and p'raps gullible...

Les

Painless install no worries :)

Bonedaddio
11-11-2011, 01:00 PM
I'm appreciative of the reassurance... LW usually daunts the hell out of me for a while at the very least. Currently downloading the content... this should be a fun weekend!! Muahahaha!

Les

Iaian7
11-11-2011, 01:06 PM
I personally think, that the bad vibrations are, while annoying and non-productive, very very much understandable and - up to a point - justified.


Well presented discussion, thanks. :)

I do disagree somewhat on the version history. Having used Lightwave since 7.5, my personal view is that 9.x was a really strong series - introduction of surfacing nodes, radiosity improvements, etc. Sure, tons of room for improvement, but it felt like progress was being made, and I didn't have to keep paying for the stumbles (having been a part of the betas, yes, there were stumbles!). The real faltering happened during 10.x, as features were promised, failed, and are now (mostly, not counting modeler or other unification stuff) included in 11.x as another paid upgrade. In all honesty, the long 9.x timeline set Newtek up for a very painful 10.x, which we're all kinda feeling now.

Several years to restore trust? Definitely. Sadly, for some high profile artists, it's already been too much.

lardbros
11-11-2011, 01:14 PM
I was sent a comfirm/key email within seconds of purchase.

Yeah, a shame... I wasn't emailed it (had 3 other emails about confirmation and downloads, and another confirmation...) and that was 8 hours ago.

Just emailed Customer Services... fingers crossed they'll get it done today?!? :D

mikala
11-11-2011, 01:16 PM
Fingers crossed here for ya!

lardbros
11-11-2011, 01:26 PM
Ha, thanks mikala! :D

The Dommo
11-11-2011, 01:40 PM
I was camping in a tent for days to get it first, I look like sh*t.

Hahaa! :thumbsup:

Clemens
11-11-2011, 02:11 PM
No email here either... and i also can't login to the shop using my registration data from the European Account :(

Edit: Oh man... no chance to get hands on 11... that's Newtek as we know them.
I really appreciate Rob's work on the product, on the marketing... on the whole package, but this is just frustrating. I would love to spend the 400 bucks to get hold of the package, but Newtek Europe doesn't even seem to know about it, and today their office is even closed because of a national holiday in france.

jasonwestmas
11-11-2011, 02:21 PM
No email here either... and i also can't login to the shop using my registration data from the European Account :(

You'll have to wait for yer email. That has your new user and pass code in it.

xchrisx
11-11-2011, 02:36 PM
Python implementation currently is on parity with Lscript and in some way exceeds the Lscript implementation. More details will be coming as we move toward final release of LightWave 11.

Thanks for the clarification Rob

erikals
11-11-2011, 02:36 PM
some of you might find answers here,

Lightwave 11 - FAQ
http://forums.newtek.com/showthread.php?t=123534

 

Bonedaddio
11-11-2011, 02:41 PM
Try going to the registration system, and registering your product with the new ser # from the "NewTek Purchase Order - ###" email, if you got one. It worked for me.
Since I didn't get a chance to install yet, I just used the PC and Mac lock IDs I already had from other registrations... should be the same. If not, oh well, I'll eventually get it sorted out. In the mean time, there's always Discovery mode. I can't wait to get this installed on my Win7 X64 box!

I'm hoping this might help someone, feel free to ignore or condemn as needed.

Les

lardbros
11-11-2011, 02:44 PM
Yep, that works!! You'll be good when you get it installed.

I would have normally gone to the standard registration place, but because the initial email kept mentioning the new login etc, I thought it would be there, not in the old place! Maybe Newtek could have made that clearer... I mean, I've been here years, and still didn't do it... :D

realgray
11-11-2011, 04:22 PM
Sent emails to both sales and customer service since the event and not a word. They must be busy...

Bonedaddio
11-11-2011, 04:58 PM
Yep, that works!! You'll be good when you get it installed.

I would have normally gone to the standard registration place, but because the initial email kept mentioning the new login etc, I thought it would be there, not in the old place! Maybe Newtek could have made that clearer... I mean, I've been here years, and still didn't do it... :D

Thanks for the confirmation. BTW, enjoyed "Things that go dump", it was truly expulsive! :D Good work!

Les

lardbros
11-11-2011, 05:04 PM
Thanks for the confirmation. BTW, enjoyed "Things that go dump", it was truly expulsive! :D Good work!

Les

Haha, thanks mate! Glad you enjoyed it... me and my silly toilet humour :)

Targetsetter
11-12-2011, 11:57 PM
Try going to the registration system, and registering your product with the new ser # from the "NewTek Purchase Order - ###" email, if you got one. It worked for me.
Since I didn't get a chance to install yet, I just used the PC and Mac lock IDs I already had from other registrations... should be the same. If not, oh well, I'll eventually get it sorted out. In the mean time, there's always Discovery mode. I can't wait to get this installed on my Win7 X64 box!

I'm hoping this might help someone, feel free to ignore or condemn as needed.

Les

In the read me file it says the registration code should begin with AAM (hardcore membership) however my serial in the purchase order starts with A1A. Newtek registration doesn't recognise it. Can anyone help? Also it's only in 32 bit.

cagey5
11-13-2011, 02:36 AM
Mine didn't begin with AAM but I just ignored it. In the email containing the download link there were several links. Mac., 64 bit 32 bit etc.

Sounds like you'll need to contact cs if your registration # isn't being recognized.

meshpig
11-14-2011, 02:13 AM
blip blip

Clemens
11-14-2011, 06:55 AM
Yeah, a shame... I wasn't emailed it (had 3 other emails about confirmation and downloads, and another confirmation...) and that was 8 hours ago.

Just emailed Customer Services... fingers crossed they'll get it done today?!? :D
Wow... you've even got a reply to your mail. I wrote to CS and to the lightwave 11 email address and didn't get any response so far. And thats nor 3 days ago..

lardbros
11-14-2011, 08:48 AM
I never got a response from CS... but the second I ordered my LW11 3 emails came through... then i used the number in one of those emails to register it in my account registration section (the old bit)

Good luck... hope you get to play with LW11 soon! :D

erikals
11-14-2011, 11:31 AM
CS is probably super-busy...

masterchief
11-19-2011, 11:39 AM
I hope it is $495! Thanks.


Alost anyone see this? http://www.newtek.com/features-lightwave-menu.html

I got it for $395