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DBMiller
07-15-2011, 11:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rf55GTEZ_E
Had to watch it on a work computer without sound but looks ok. Can't say I care for the way they envision the Tharks, though.

Greenlaw
07-15-2011, 01:25 PM
What was wrong with calling the movie 'A Princess of Mars' (the original book title)? At the very least they should have called it 'John Carter of Mars'.

I really get annoyed when movies are given meaningless and undescriptive character names for titles.

G.

jasonwestmas
07-15-2011, 01:54 PM
I'm not sure why I would want to see this. Could just be a bad trailer. Looks like the disney version of conan with alien visitors, not that this means anything to me.

DBMiller
07-15-2011, 02:05 PM
Needs more voluptuousness and less Prince of Persia.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Greenlaw
07-15-2011, 02:19 PM
I'm not sure why I would want to see this. Could just be a bad trailer. Looks like the disney version of conan with alien visitors, not that this means anything to me.
I still have great childhood fondness for the ERB novels so I'll probably wind up hating this movie. I do hope they stay true to the early 1900's fantasy science that still makes the books so charming. Will wait and see before judging too harshly.

Red_Oddity
07-15-2011, 03:35 PM
I still have great childhood fondness for the ERB novels so I'll probably wind up hating this movie. I do hope they stay true to the early 1900's fantasy science that still makes the books so charming. Will wait and see before judging too harshly.

The fact they are willing to actually have it happen on Mars and the aliens have 6 appendages is true enough to the books for me, but yes, not enough voluptuousness indeed.
Also, +10 for awesome Arcade Fire cover by Peter Gabriel as the soundtrack.

Hope it won't be as average as Solomon Kane was (which was still fun and close enough to the source material though mind you)

Red_Oddity
07-15-2011, 03:35 PM
Also, woohoo!, The Thing prequel trailer is out as well...can't wait (damn shame they shelved it so long)

Mr Rid
07-15-2011, 03:45 PM
Groovie test animation from 1936 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTAlgZlqwnQ
If completed, JM might have been the first feature length animated, before Snow White (also used rotoscope).


What was wrong with calling the movie 'A Princess of Mars' (the original book title)? At the very least they should have called it 'John Carter of Mars'.

G.

I understand the decision to leave the word 'Mars' out of it since it will only serve to confuse the majority who are unfamiliar with the source material. "Aint nobuddy on Mars!?" Am sure there was plenty of pre-pro discussion, and thru the course of other stalled production attempts over the decades (Harryhausen, Tom Cruise, Robert Rodriguez and Jon Favreau have been associated), about where compromise may be necessary for translating the far out concepts to live action, like the characters being all nude. And every creature had six arms and ten legs.

I loved the stories since reading them in high school and am so glad it appears to be handled very well. I just thank Tur that the project didnt fall into the hands of some numbskull like Snyder, Emmerich or Bay.

Btw, there already was a Princess of Mars movie- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnsuVpG_OZQ (I know LW was used at least for the thoats that Jason Shulman worked on).

cresshead
07-15-2011, 04:35 PM
the asylum studio's version looks much better.

Greenlaw
07-15-2011, 04:48 PM
...I just thank Tur that the project didnt fall into the hands of some numbskull like Snyder, Emmerich or Bay.
:eek:

Greenlaw
07-15-2011, 04:52 PM
Wow! I've never seen that test before; thanks for sharing the link. I remember reading years ago that Fleischer Studios started working an animated Princess of Mars film but a studio fire destroyed nearly all the work and production was abandoned. The article showed a landscape image that was supposedly from the only surviving footage. (About 20 frames or 20 seconds...don't remember exactly.)

Regarding the other link: Traci Lords! :eek:

cresshead
07-15-2011, 04:56 PM
Regarding the other link: Traci Lords! :eek:

she's just as human as anyone else...yeh she did porn in the past...we all do the same stuff but not in front of a camera remember.:D

the asylum based version looks tons more interesting to me and not cos it has an ex porn star in an acting role.:thumbsup:

Mr Rid
07-15-2011, 05:47 PM
Wow! I've never seen that test before; thanks for sharing the link. I remember reading years ago that Fleischer Studios started working an animated Princess of Mars film but a studio fire destroyed nearly all the work and production was abandoned. The article showed a landscape image that was supposedly from the only surviving footage. (About 20 frames or 20 seconds...don't remember exactly.)


Reminds of 'what if' Jodorowsky' Dune. Am glad the remake has fallen thru since they were poised to ruin it again with the wrong people attached.

jasonwestmas
07-15-2011, 06:46 PM
I still have great childhood fondness for the ERB novels so I'll probably wind up hating this movie. I do hope they stay true to the early 1900's fantasy science that still makes the books so charming. Will wait and see before judging too harshly.

First of all John Carter is my Brother's name sooo. lol.

Yeah, I'm not really judging the movie yet, just wondering why this Trailer is what it is. It just doesn't tell me much about why this movie would be interesting to watch. And yes, I know nothing about Princess of Mars, so I can only go by what the Trailer reveals to me which isn't much. Usually I go see a movie because there is something philosophically challenging hinted at in the trailer. Science fiction that I have read tends to do that so it would make the most sense for a sci-fi fantasy movie to do that too. Or there is a clear relationship shown in the Trailer at least. I mean, some dude dies, his kid wakes up in narnia and has to save the world again. . . Uhh, ok been there done that.

Ohh, I forgot, this is a Disney live action movie.

Mr Rid
07-15-2011, 07:47 PM
I understand the trailer not meaning much if you're not familiar with the books. Am sure there will be more over-explanatory trailers to come with too much editing. Keep in mind, JM was written in 1911, way before all other such Tolkien type stories, and contained much graphic violence. A movie could never have done justice before today's level of CG. I've tried to visualize the colorful story elements for decades. Will be interesting to see how it is all handled.

Actually the Uncle is the one who wakes up in 'Narnia.' Although the story is primarily a male fantasy with stretched physics, one difference is that its not about 'magic' (I could never buy into Rings or Potter). I think the main philosophic angle is that the planet is facing ecologic collapse and mass extinction while the inhabitants are too primitive and caught up in petty racial disputes to focus on dealing with the problem, reflecting today's prevailing concern. I dont expect it to mean anything to others, but the story, and particularly the song used in the trailer resonate for me personally. The song alludes to the most mysterious part of the story, of how he is transported.

achrystie
07-15-2011, 08:23 PM
I don't know, this isn't really speaking to me on any level. It looks generally pretty "mediocre", and the thark looked like ****, although I realize this may just be early production footage.

Honestly, I'd prefer they made movies based on Burroughs lesser known stuff, like The Mucker. That's relatively grounded in reality, would make a good action movie, and could be done really well with a director that wanted to get the setting(s) right to give it the appropriate feel. I also like the Eternal Lover (changed to Eternal Savage in later printings), even though the main character has a lot of Tarzanesque qualities to him. Caveman brought into the 20th century has of course been done before, but never "seriously". I'd do them both as a sort of action/scifi period piece. Realistically you need to do any of these in a more adult fashion. The trick is to toe the rating line on violence and sex, something that Disney unfortunately will not do.

I'll probably go see it, but I have a feeling, just from this first trailer, that I won't be all that happy with it.

Greenlaw
07-15-2011, 09:16 PM
she's just as human as anyone else...yeh she did porn in the past...we all do the same stuff but not in front of a camera remember.:D
Just to be clear, my prudish :eek: was presented with tongue firmly in cheek, or whatever other combination of anatomical parts that a person may prefer to imagine. :)

G.

Mr Rid
07-15-2011, 09:45 PM
...
Honestly, I'd prefer they made movies based on Burroughs lesser known stuff, ...

Except you would have a bigger problem convincing a studio to attach a massive FX budget to lesser known material. John Carter's similarity to Avatar (JM being a significant influence) may also carry over interest. The budget would also have to come down if they went R with it, since R movies generally dont make as much money. Rodriguez probably would have kept it R and with a $40mil budget, as he wisely does with his violent movies. But I think it deserved better.

I'm just glad it didnt get the cutesy treatment since I first read of the 'Disnar' association. Thats what ruined Tron for me back when.

jasonwestmas
07-15-2011, 10:30 PM
I think the main philosophic angle is that the planet is facing ecologic collapse and mass extinction while the inhabitants are too primitive and caught up in petty racial disputes to focus on dealing with the problem, reflecting today's prevailing concern. I dont expect it to mean anything to others, but the story, and particularly the song used in the trailer resonate for me personally. The song alludes to the most mysterious part of the story, of how he is transported.

Sounds similar to real life actually. The struggle between an ideal future and a present reality. The ideal state being called absurd fantasy that happens only inside the mind and imagination. The very idea of mental and emotional development has become rejected by the many because our barbaric bodily senses are declared to be our only sense of measurement and authority. The present, although flawed, is declared to be the only proven and real truth. Therefore, reason and common sense is abandoned because it only exists within the intangible anatomy of the mind and heart etc., etc. . . .anyway.:o

Mr Rid
07-15-2011, 10:45 PM
I wont spoil, but it looks like the movie adds more meaning to the whole premise. But I agree, dominant culture continues to primarily reward the basest traits (7 deadly sins). Virtue remains in fantasy.

Nangleator
07-16-2011, 08:20 AM
Sounds similar to real life actually.
Well, that might be a challenge we face now, or it will be a challenge we face in the future... but I think we'll find that humans consider it 'too expensive' to do anything to save themselves and their world.


Virtue remains in fantasy.
Becoming less believable than magic! Individual virtue isn't hard to find, but exercised by a large portion of the populace... no.

jasonwestmas
07-16-2011, 10:18 AM
Well, that might be a challenge we face now, or it will be a challenge we face in the future... but I think we'll find that humans consider it 'too expensive' to do anything to save themselves and their world.


Sounds like a great opportunity for evil to creep in and deceive a nation in the name of virtue. "Save the world from the money lovers." Makes for a dramatic story is all. =)

abdelkarim
12-02-2011, 06:00 PM
for me this film really great and nice . awesome Fx and all 3d done. i like it . but i think render engine its lightwave render ???

Mr Rid
12-03-2011, 08:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlvYKl1fjBI

Nangleator
12-03-2011, 09:28 PM
Oh, my!

I had to pause that about thirty times just to study individual frames.

jasonwestmas
12-04-2011, 11:34 AM
So I guess I'll have to actually see the movie to really know if this is anything different than any other disney film. They all start to blend together for me.

Mr Rid
02-27-2012, 03:07 AM
Its interesting when fans make more effective trailers for free, than big studio marketing firms. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-BxeHQY1NuM#!

'Sizzle' reel- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm2KmKrpJQQ&context=C315422fADOEgsToPDskLSJxZ2oWjcCnzrihFHCXGk

Nangleator
02-27-2012, 06:27 AM
Big studios can't shake the myth that expensive means good. It would kind of undercut the philosophy behind their very existence.

prometheus
02-27-2012, 08:58 AM
I remember reading some John Carter comics when I was arount 11-12 years old I think or slightly older, Loved it then, great drawings and imagination was steared up.

Now it doesnīt look as atractive thou, partly because so many other sci-fi fantasy stuff has been shown already, even thou it might actaully be that they ripped many things of from The John Carter novels, to bad this wasnīt released before avatar and many other stuff.

The trailers miss a good soundtrack..some rip off it seems, both in rock music tuned up to some epic opera, and some distinct rip off with the "Rythm of the heat " and itīs familiar heavy blow wich Peter Gabriel brought us...but hey they put that in everything from miami vice to battlestar galactica,But no real new cool soundtrack as to what I can hear.

Hard to tell from fast edited trailers thou, I need to see full scenes with more cinematic consistency to give a good saying about this.

Another saviour with the J.C initials:)...not John Connor or someone else..just John Carter.

Michael

colkai
02-27-2012, 10:01 AM
Well, any trailer that beefs up "Kashmir" by Led Zep always gets my interest. :)

Seriously though, I've read the John Carter books and am looking forward to see what they do with this.

Dexter2999
02-27-2012, 11:48 AM
Every time I see the trailer I keep thinking he looks like the guy that played "Bester" (the mechanic Kaley replaced) on FIREFLY.

In any case, I won't be paying to see it in theaters. Avengers, Spiderman, Batman...yeah, plenty to see without wasting another $20 on this.