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kopperdrake
05-04-2011, 04:25 AM
Does anyone know if you can install Win 7 on an original dual quad core Mac Pro? Mine's one of the first, and I have a vague memory of it not being able to have Win 7 installed, but I can't find anywhere to confirm or deny this vague memory.

rsfd
05-04-2011, 06:09 AM
According to Apple's support pages, you can install Win7 on every Intel-based Mac:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1899

excluding those machines listed here:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3986
only MacPro in the list: Mac Pro (Mid 2006, Intel Xeon Dual-core 2.66GHz or 3GHz)

There are hardware limitations for Win7 64x too:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1846

3DGFXStudios
05-04-2011, 06:53 AM
You can!! I'm running windows7 on my mac 8core every day :D

BlueApple
05-04-2011, 09:30 AM
I was all ready to install Win7 64 on my Mac Pro only to discover that my Mac was too old for the 64-bit version of Windows. I should have done a little reading before buying my copy of the OS.

kopperdrake
05-06-2011, 04:36 AM
Thanks guys - I *think* my Mac might be the:

Mac Pro (Mid 2006, Intel Xeon Dual-core 2.66GHz or 3GHz)

on the list, but how can I tell for sure? Is there any way to tell?

rsfd
05-06-2011, 05:08 AM
Go to "System Profiler > Hardware" and have a look at the Model Identity.
The "Mid 2006" MacPro identifies as Machine Models MacPro 1,1 (2,66 GHz) and 2,2 (3,0 GHz).

You can find a description at Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macpro#Specifications.
A software that lists all Mac computers with their tech specs would be "Mactracker".

kopperdrake
05-14-2011, 12:57 PM
Bugger - seems my machine is a mid-2006 model, older than I thought!

Wonder how much speed increase a new dual quad-core 2.4Ghz "Westermere" model I'd get over my dual quad 3Ghz "Clovertown" model.

archijam
05-14-2011, 01:17 PM
I had issues installing 64bit win7 bootcamp on my macbook pro - actually the bootcamp installer stated that the 64bit installer was "not compatible with this hardware" ..

It's a 6month old laptop .. go figure.

rsfd
05-15-2011, 03:35 AM
@kopperdrake:
barefeats has made some comparison tests:
http://www.barefeats.com/wst10.html
(you could assign your model to the Harpertown group, as it holds Xeon cpu based on "core" technology. Intel's "Core" technology, of course).
Other articles of interest could be
http://www.barefeats.com/wst10c2.html
http://www.barefeats.com/wst10c.html and for the latest iMacs:
http://www.barefeats.com/imac11b.html

Arstechnica usually offers good readings too (http://arstechnica.com/apple/).
They have an interesting article about the 12-core and why the software is the bottleneck now: http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2010/10/tri-screen-cpu-monitor-ars-reviews-the-12-core-2010-mac-pro.ars

@archijam:
but you had updated to the latest Bootcamp version before trying?

archijam
05-15-2011, 03:54 AM
You can only download updates. You still have to use the original installer from the snowleopard DVD afaik

Edit: there are some torrents floating around, but no thanks..

rsfd
05-15-2011, 05:03 AM
just asked because I know some folks who tried to use Bootcamp 2 to install Win7-64, just because it came with their Installation DVD :foreheads

I'm pretty sure that you did it correctly (as I've read many posts from you), so I was only curious.

kopperdrake
05-15-2011, 01:49 PM
Thanks for that rsfd - it seems that an 8 core 2.4 westermere is only slightly faster (25% faster), and that I'd need to go for the 12 core 2.66 westermere to see a double-speed difference - the difference I usually like to see in my upgrades. The thing is, that's 4,600 with 16Gb installed (including taxes) - $7,500. Seems a bit expensive compared to the machine I bought a few years ago, which at the time was pretty high spec. Or maybe I'm getting tighter in my old age ;)

rsfd
05-16-2011, 02:30 AM
you're welcome.
I agree, that the MacPro theme atm is very hard to decide.
It might be an option just to wait for the upcoming next generation.
According to some rumours, Apple seems to come up with various changes (also concerning the form factor). Probably the next-gen cpu's will become slightly cheaper, the actual 6-core Xeon is very expensive indeed, but I'll doubt that Apple will switch to "simple" i7 cpu for the MacPro range. I guess, they'll stick with Xeons.

Aren't there possibilities not to buy at the AppleStore in UK?
We have some dealers in Germany which also sell BTO MacPro at slightly reduced prices, especially RAM is sold at realistic prices.
(A 12c-2.66-16 would be ~€ 5,050 /~ 4,200 here incl. taxes).
Otherwise, it's a possibility to buy RAM elsewhere and just order the standard RAM configuration if the number of slots are sufficent (and the right "grouping" can be kept). Apple takes just too much for RAM.

kopperdrake
05-16-2011, 04:55 AM
I'll have to have a look. Admittedly, I'd forgotten that the Macs I've bought in the past had non-Apple RAM installed by the shop, but that shop has since been bought by the Square Group, who seem more interested in the pretty pretty apple products rather than the high end computers. Shame really.

I'll have a search for an alternative supplier - or maybe I should just buy in Germany and drive it home :D I'm often in the Netherlands, so a quick hop over the border might be an idea ;)