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Titus
05-03-2011, 03:15 PM
This is a Sci-fi feature being made somewhere in Hollywood:

http://www.geminirisingfilm.com

The VFX is being done with Blender, but the vfx artist hiring process is a little strange; basically they put a shot list online, anyone interested has to create the scene and they decide who will get that assignment, and the price of the shot. At this moment they have two shots.

This is the online discussion of the first scene, with several artists doing the same work at the same time, only one will get the job:

http://www.geminirisingfilm.com/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=2

I know this is not the first project using the last-stand-man bidding process, and this is why I'm a little concerned.

cresshead
05-03-2011, 04:19 PM
that's a bidding war but with actually work upfront...not liking the idea of that at all...if i ever thought [ii won't thou] i'd jump for that i'd watermark the hell out of it and not hand a signle asset over until 100% paid...

YUK basically.

prometheus
05-04-2011, 01:13 AM
that's a bidding war but with actually work upfront...not liking the idea of that at all...if i ever thought [ii won't thou] i'd jump for that i'd watermark the hell out of it and not hand a signle asset over until 100% paid...

YUK basically.


sounds like quality and concept design of the shot would be comprimized with people workin for free not knowing if they get paid.:screwy:

Michael

50one
05-04-2011, 04:15 AM
Well, since Blender is Free, why anyone using it should be paid??

Just kidding:D

I say "Hell NO!" to outsourcing, crowdsourcing and most of the time - freepitching too. What kind of times we're living in?

tischbein3
05-04-2011, 09:06 AM
YUK basically.

Mhmm.. not sure, certainly the bidding part of the second sequence leaves me some sort of sour taste behind.

But I actually , don't think that the idea / concept is THAT bad:
Provide two example sequences of the movie, let the people do showcase their abillity, and judge from these if its worth to hire them for the rest of the movie.
Also seeing the director/producer does clearly gives feedback on what he wants is far better than the usually "slave market" bidding, and quite benefical for freelancers having some interest in this.

Also that they currently are not interested in a final product for these bidings, (see rotoscoping remarks on the second clip) doesn't go the usual exploitation scheme.

So I'm currently bit divided on my opinion. It certainly would be far less alarming if those guys would have provided scenes wich are NOT part of the movie itself for the selection process.

But yeah, I'm all in with the watermark recomendation.

Nangleator
05-04-2011, 11:23 AM
Just a naked attempt to get pay rates down in the pennies per hour. I'm afraid it will work.

I'd rather be a garbage collector.

shrox
05-04-2011, 11:35 AM
...I'd rather be a garbage collector.

Why collect garbage when you can be making garbage for pennies an hour...

Titus
05-04-2011, 12:49 PM
Mhmm.. not sure, certainly the bidding part of the second sequence leaves me some sort of sour taste behind.

But I actually , don't think that the idea / concept is THAT bad:
Provide two example sequences of the movie, let the people do showcase their abillity, and judge from these if its worth to hire them for the rest of the movie.

My understanding is that they are bidding artists in a per shot basis, not testing them and then hiring for the rest of the movie. They are going to upload the rest of the shots.

This was done before in projects like the DC universe online trailer, just check up massanimation.com

shrox
05-04-2011, 01:45 PM
My understanding is that they are bidding artists in a per shot basis, not testing them and then hiring for the rest of the movie. They are going to upload the rest of the shots.

This was done before in projects like the DC universe online trailer, just check up massanimation.com

So it might not be as carpetbagger as it sounds?

tischbein3
05-04-2011, 01:48 PM
Just browsed a bit, seems to be something inbetween:

http://www.geminirisingfilm.com/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=12

jeric_synergy
05-04-2011, 05:14 PM
...... anyone interested has to create the scene and they decide who will get that assignment, and the price of the shot.
So, you make the shot, and THEN they tell you how much it's worth to you.

I'll make this as polite as I can: [edited to improve the politeness just a touch more ... but full marks for originality ~ SB]

But, hey, if an animator or company is a masochist or group of masochists (a 'yelp', technically) , have at it (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.johnlund.com/ArticleImages/Artcle12-dominatrix/Picture%2520of%2520Dominatrix.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.johnlund.com/Artcl12-dominatrix.htm&usg=__GVXUTYN5oSGoryfHfNTdXY3GmDw=&h=451&w=365&sz=24&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=X0zbzcjAeMA1gM:&tbnh=182&tbnw=122&ei=mN3BTYHbDKjniAKBw5ChAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddominatrix%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26clien t%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D879%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=133&vpy=278&dur=2768&hovh=250&hovw=202&tx=102&ty=131&page=1&ndsp=42&ved=1t:429,r:11,s:0). I think they'd get more value from a professional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominatrix), but whatever.