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wrightyp100
02-14-2011, 09:52 AM
Hi all,

I'm making a Star Wars fan film. And basically I was wondering if there was anything about the glut of fan films out there that anyone finds annoying, or would like to see.

This is basically an excercise to see if teres certain elements that only annoy me.

robertoortiz
02-14-2011, 10:03 AM
I would love to see someone take a classic tale
(One in the public domain BTW) and try to come up with something original.

Show me a Frankestein Fan Film,
how about a John Carter of Mars fan film?

wrightyp100
02-14-2011, 10:09 AM
Isn't someone doing john carter of mars as a feature??

pooby
02-14-2011, 10:26 AM
I dont know about annoying, but most Star Wars films are very very dull.
Its like most 'fans' prefer the really boring bits of the prequels.
Lots of Jedi's talking about other political stuff that no-one gives a crap about.
Also, when its filled up with 'easy CG' its boring. IE- lightsabre fights. Spaceships taking off in a floaty way.

Make an interesting story, scene or sketch/vignette Film it somewhere interesting and put interesting characters in it.
SHOW dont talk about. And show NEW, not a pathetic rehash of Old.

Jim_C
02-14-2011, 10:55 AM
, or would like to see.


Speed everything up triple time and play yackety sax behind it.

Makes anything watchable.

calilifestyle
02-14-2011, 10:57 AM
i want see a Lexx fan film lol or better yet Farscape would be better.

shrox
02-14-2011, 11:43 AM
"Troops", the only good Star Wars fanfilm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bocmVZXXY8w

The worst by Lucas himself!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz550T3QeAo

robertoortiz
02-14-2011, 11:43 AM
I dont know about annoying, but most Star Wars films are very very dull.
Its like most 'fans' prefer the really boring bits of the prequels.
Lots of Jedi's talking about other political stuff that no-one gives a crap about.
Also, when its filled up with 'easy CG' its boring. IE- lightsabre fights. Spaceships taking off in a floaty way.

Make an interesting story, scene or sketch/vignette Film it somewhere interesting and put interesting characters in it.
SHOW dont talk about. And show NEW, not a pathetic rehash of Old.

Agreed...

If you have to do a Star Wars fan film, do something I have not seen before.
Show me a Zero G lightzaber battle outside a Star Destroyer, that is crashing into a Planet.(I am not kidding BTW)

wrightyp100
02-14-2011, 01:25 PM
im actually writing a character piece about vader. looking at about 20 mins long, lightsabres only at the end. no crappy coreography, its like a western in tone. Some snappy dialogue with a good old mexican stand off. no politics, just some hate anger and brave defiance.

all on location too. no green screen here. just wanted to see peoples opinions. and pooby's comment rang the truest. dull boring geek fests. i know that sounds weird coming from someone going to the trouble of making one, and so by proxy, i must have somoe geek in me, but just wanted to get some opinion. cheers guys.

maybe if i ghave some cash ill do a zero g lightsabre battle with tauntauns.

UltraViolet
02-14-2011, 01:28 PM
i want see a Lexx fan film lol or better yet Farscape would be better.

Oh, Farscape, COOL, don't you love that scene in "Peacekeeper Wars" when John Cryton is using Wormhole Weapon and asks Scorpius to beg him to use it ? :thumbsup:

Who in the world can mach that :ohmy:

pooby
02-14-2011, 02:14 PM
If you can stick a TaunTaun in then I would take my hat off to you sir. The Tautaun is the most noble of beasts, For me, the mere appearance of a Tautaun would hold up as a complete story substitute. (Unless it looks ****e of course)

mikala
02-14-2011, 04:08 PM
That most fanfilms never get finished...Annoying oh ya.

wrightyp100
02-14-2011, 04:13 PM
waarrrrgggg, rabble rabble.

mikala
02-14-2011, 04:15 PM
You speak very good Taun taun !:bowdown:

cresshead
02-14-2011, 04:20 PM
"Troops", the only good Star Wars fanfilm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bocmVZXXY8w

The worst by Lucas himself!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz550T3QeAo

troops : excellent thanks for sharing the link! :thumbsup:

archijam
02-14-2011, 04:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YztgdsnvsU

wrightyp100
02-15-2011, 03:13 AM
does robot chicken count as a fan film? to me its the greatest parody.

Kionel
02-15-2011, 02:09 PM
I think the problem with Fan Films is that they just aren't taken seriously.

Think about the name: Fan Film. That immediately marks the work as derivative, and thus not as a "serious" effort.

Does it matter that a tremendous amount of blood, sweat, and tears went into the product? Nope, it's just a 'fan film'.

Does it matter that everyone involved in the project learned more about the trade, but also found a new respect for the source material? Nope. It's just a 'fan film'.

Does it matter that the really great ones -- I'm thinking of Star Trek Phase II: World Enough and Time here -- are better than many pieces of the original product? Nope.

That being said, there's a reason for the attitude to exist: For every World Enough and Time that hits the tubez there are dozens of shaky-cam made-over-a-weekend affairs that also slap the property's title on it. So, no matter how much time you may have spent assembling your product, the tag "Fan Film" hurts. You're immediately lumped in with guys whose "homage to Lucas" consists of them smacking each other in the junk with Master Replicas Lightsabers.

So why make fan films? Since movie-making is hard work -- really, really hard work -- why waste your time if you won't be taken seriously?

Simple: Instant recognition. You slap Star Wars on the title, you're promising a target market a quick fix. An existing market will always, always mean more video views.

I'm speaking from experience here. From 2002 - 2008, a group of IT professionals here in Minneapolis that I used to belong to made small movies literally just for the hell of it. We got pretty good at the process (we ended up crewing a local horror show from 2003 - 2004) and even made a feature-length project (http://www.roguecinema.com/article-1013--0-0.html)that had its premiere at a local theater. We were proud of work, and what we were able to knock out by learning by doing.

We did the festival thing for giggles, sure, but our projects were never meant to be serious "art". They were learning pieces that we just hoped would be in focus an entertaining...pretty much in that order. :)

Since we hadn't planned to make a dime from our biggest project, we released it (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3432819586728848049#) and its predecessors on Google Video. Sure, it looks crappy there but it's the whole deal, put up there for others with the idea that "Hey, if we can make a movie, so can you!"

So, how many views has our free, completely original movie received since 2007?

4996

By contrast, a little video that my son and I knocked together over one week using his Phase II Enterprise (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DA-at54tjZzw&rct=j&q=Star%20Trek%20Phase%20II%20Enterprise&ei=r-VaTb3JA4KglAe1nriPDQ&usg=AFQjCNFlClEVrh22c6ZxL7yJH8RRVIsMTA&sig2=8iJBFKml_pFpR2CbRTJmFg&cad=rja) that he modeled over in LightWave back when he was fifteen? Well over 100,000 views and counting.

That, my friends, is name recognition at work.

So, in my book, Fan Films are a good thing. :)

Now, to things that I think should never, ever be in a fan film:


Does a VFX shot in your film match one from the original film? Change it.
Do you use a derivation of a famous line from your source material in the script? Change it.
Do you have characters that are obviously supposed to be analogues for our famous heroes? Change them. (And no, just changing genders so you have "Han Solo with bewbz!" isn't enough.)
Is there a "Mary Sue" character in the story? Kill that character. Kill it with fire.
Do you have a good sound setup? No? Stop what you're doing and get one. (This is a mistake I learned the hard way.)


Those are just my opinions, of course. :)

wrightyp100
02-15-2011, 03:12 PM
sound advice there. Defo agree about sound. I did a short a while back that looks **** hot, but the sound was terrible. Gutted, as the actress now has moved on to bigger and better things.

Dexter2999
02-15-2011, 06:26 PM
sound advice there. Defo agree about sound. I did a short a while back that looks **** hot, but the sound was terrible. Gutted, as the actress now has moved on to bigger and better things.

Dub her... They did it to Mel Gibson in the US release of Mad Max.

As to "fan films" I quite enjoyed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-is63goeBgc&feature=related Ryan vs. Dorkman.

It keeps in mind a few things:
Choreography
Cinematography, Camera movement and framing (lighting could have been better)
Location is visually interesting

and because there is no dialog at all, no need to worry about that adding to a "cheese" factor.

My biggest problem with "fan films", or any amateur film for that matter, is that people feel it's okay to slap something together and show it. Then when people criticize they respond with "Oh well....(excuse here)". I don't want excuses, I want a good film.

wrightyp100
02-16-2011, 01:45 AM
Dub her... hmmm.

I like Ryan vs Dorkman, but theres some bits where the newer ones fall apart. They try to make it too complicated then it looks choreographed. Thats my big problem with a lot of ligt saber fights. They look rehearsed. Vader owning luke in empire? best one closely followed by lukes beat down on vader in jedi. No fancy spinning at the end of that. Ground and pound.

OnlineRender
02-16-2011, 03:19 AM
http://www.braxtanfilm.com/fvgb.html
Freddy VS Ghostbusters (2004)

http://www.returnoftheghostbusters.com/

http://www.fanfilms.net/

Bona
02-16-2011, 04:46 AM
"Fan Films and what is annoying about them"

IMHO, most of them are too looo oo ooooo o o oo oo o oo o ng! :sleeping:

Please don't play with lengthy intro and end rollers, too :compbeati

If I were to make a fan film, I'd aim at "low skip-rate" during the movie. :thumbsup:

wrightyp100
02-16-2011, 05:21 AM
@bona yeah i agree there too. Its been a dilema, but Im going to skip the whole long time ago etc. It pains me to do it, but hey.

I'm aiming to have an original score. Which would be nice. but no casio violins.

JeffrySG
02-16-2011, 09:43 AM
Hi all,

I'm making a Star Wars fan film. And basically I was wondering if there was anything about the glut of fan films out there that anyone finds annoying, or would like to see.

This is basically an excercise to see if teres certain elements that only annoy me.

My biggest gripe with the fan films these days is that the SFX typically can look really nice but then you hear the actors and many times they are just terrible. Bad acting just kills it for me no matter what the story and SFX are like. Don't use friends who can't act. Find real actors/acting students who are good that want to participate!

And if you can only find two or three good actors make sure your story can work with that limitation. Mold the story to what your resources are.

dsol
02-16-2011, 10:11 AM
Yeah, bad sound recording - more than anything else - makes most fan films feel "cheap".
BTW - someone was asking about John Carter of Mars? It's Pixar's first live-action movie, still in production (I think it's being released later in the year).
I know someone working on it at Double Negative. He reckons it's gonna be the next Avatar!

archijam
02-17-2011, 06:32 AM
The cast is important ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nix_PID3oiA

bugzilla
02-17-2011, 09:01 AM
Here's my Star Wars fan film, made in Lightwave a few years ago. So, whatever you like or dislike about it, here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU1Q7OSLgBs

wrightyp100
02-17-2011, 09:31 AM
Thats a pretty cool idea and the models are cool. Im going for a similar bent in that Vader is looking for Luke, but in a protective way.

One thing I'd watch however, (and bear in mind i find your tuts very useful, you're a lot better at lightwave than I am) is the camera angles. they are a bit... floaty. Best way to get good looking angles is study cinematography. One thing I dont like in 3d is when the camera goes flying around the place. If you want over head shots like that, study cable rigging. Its ace.

Merely my opinion. Good effort. I'll keep you posted on mine.

GCL
02-17-2011, 10:14 AM
No to forget a good parody of Star Trek vs Babylon 5 with decent FX:

http://www.starwreck.com/

Kionel
02-17-2011, 01:20 PM
[QUOTE=archijam;1113714]The cast is important ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nix_PID3oiA[/QUOTE

:agree:

I was lucky enough to have a talented pool of actors and part-time performers to call upon. Of course, I also passed up "hotties" of both genders in favor of people who could actually act. Made a difference.

Did I get Oscar-quality performances? No.

Did I get watchable performances? Yep.

As a film teacher has said here in Minneapolis, "The cheapest, most effective special effect you can have is a couple of attractive, competent actors speaking compelling dialogue to each other."

pooby
02-17-2011, 01:48 PM
As a film teacher has said here in Minneapolis, "The cheapest, most effective special effect you can have is a couple of attractive, competent actors speaking compelling dialogue to each other."

See, he's gone and got himself in a muddle. He's only gone and mixed up dramatic acting with special effects.
And that from a film teacher too! :)

Kionel
02-17-2011, 03:05 PM
See, he's gone and got himself in a muddle. He's only gone and mixed up dramatic acting with special effects.
And that from a film teacher too! :)

Yeah, I know...but that quote has stuck with me ever since I heard it.

(Of course, the smart-aleck in me pulled him aside and said "You realize, of course, that finding a couple of attractive and competent actors and a really good script is almost as hard as doing a realistic comp at IMAX resolutions, right?" :P)

CaptainMarlowe
02-18-2011, 01:50 AM
Troops is definitely hilarious.
I think the same guys are behind the series Imps the relentless (http://www.impstherelentless.com/tek9.asp)