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cgisoul
02-07-2011, 12:14 AM
http://projectmessiah.com/x6/shop.html

I might get a copy for that price.

OnlineRender
02-07-2011, 12:41 AM
cheers put my name down for it ! for $10 you cant knock it

Philbert
02-07-2011, 01:49 AM
still a while to go though, I wonder when they started.

geo_n
02-07-2011, 01:53 AM
So there's no guarantee that you'll get a license even if you buy?

Philbert
02-07-2011, 02:01 AM
I assume you will get the license when you buy, the question is "when?". I guess the sooner they reach their goal the sooner you get your license.

alvin_cgi
02-07-2011, 02:55 AM
Did they say they will refund the money if goal did not met... :hey:
I want one for sure for $40!!




Well, I shot $40 if that's the case. I would think though that they would refund the money if they don't get to the goal. I certainly hope that they do. I've got v4.5 but can't upgrade for (I think it was) $299. VERY sweet deal! :thumbsup:

cresshead
02-07-2011, 03:13 AM
i'll pitch in for the $40 version just to get the renderer and links to lw/max etc...will have to wait till i get back home tonight though..so hope that bar doesn't go crazy today

jrandom
02-07-2011, 03:36 AM
If only they had a 64-bit version for Mac...

Tartiflette
02-07-2011, 03:57 AM
If only they had a 64-bit version for Mac...
Not soon to happen, while they are using the "Crossover Trick", i.e. it's basically the Windows version packed with a special Wine (Windows API "emulator" without Windows...) version which enables it to run on Mac OS X.

While it's working, there are a lot of glitches, and even if i think i'll shell out the 40$ to buy the pro version, i'd for sure never would spend 1000+ $ for that kind of release on Mac OS X. It feels too clunky to worth 1000 $. :(

Anyway lets hope that someday they'll have the manpower and will to release a "real" Mac OS X version of Messiah, as it is a wonderful 3D animation package. :)


Cheers,
Laurent aka Tartiflette :)

philippe
02-07-2011, 03:59 AM
just ordered the 40$ version, that's only 25£ !!

50one
02-07-2011, 04:09 AM
Yip, that's a friggin' good deal, even if they won't reach their goal, you'll get refund. win/win.

OnlineRender
02-07-2011, 04:11 AM
just ordered the 40$ version, that's only 25£ !!

that was my main reason .lost more down the back of the couch .

hrgiger
02-07-2011, 04:39 AM
I had some money sitting in my paypal account anyway so $40 it is.

hrgiger
02-07-2011, 05:07 AM
Another thing just occured to me. Can you transfer a license of Messiah. If so, I would guess a bunch of people will try to sell their software and make a profit after the price goes back up.

3DBob
02-07-2011, 05:09 AM
hrgiger

I had some money sitting in my paypal account anyway so $40 it is.

That wouldn't be from those LWCad presets I bought last week would it?

Anyhow - I jumped in for 4 Pro licences - team already use 5 every day - so will expand to 8 seats.

3DBob

Lamont
02-07-2011, 05:13 AM
I ordered. Seems kick arse.


I hate using arse.

cresshead
02-07-2011, 05:50 AM
looking forward what's the standard upgrade policy/pricing for messiah...how much was the last update for users?

they seem to be applying the same aggressive marketing strategy xsi foundation used a few years ago...get ALOT of people onboard then claw your money back with future upgrades
for the increased userbase.

10% of something is much better than 0% of nothing!

it worked for xsi so why not messiah?

funk
02-07-2011, 05:54 AM
I went for the $40 version since I had some spare cash sitting in paypal. Wonder how long this will take :)

lino.grandi
02-07-2011, 05:57 AM
More I think about this thing, and more I can see something negative going on with Messiah. I pay....I have to wait till the end (if there will be) to get my license. You want my money? Give me a license. As it's now....no deal for me.

3DBob
02-07-2011, 06:06 AM
cresshead looking forward what's the standard upgrade policy/pricing for messiah...how much was the last update for users?

I bought 2 upgrades from 4.5 > 5 about a month ago and they cost me $249 each.

Preview rendering and hair and particle instances were the big thing. But sketch was nice and some really useful bug fixes the team appreciated.

3DBob

cresshead
02-07-2011, 06:09 AM
More I think about this thing, and more I can see something negative going on with Messiah. I pay....I have to wait till the end (if there will be) to get my license. You want my money? Give me a license. As it's now....no deal for me.

whilst i don't "KNOW" what's going on i do not see it as a negative move from my perspective..i just see a out of the box marketing push to get more users onboard the messiah platform,

As core is still in early beta this could offer a great low cost way to get a foot up on the simple rigging ladder...it connects to lightwave so it's a simple move for many and messiah used to be a lightwave plugin years ago so has a similar workflow etc.

edit >> thanks 3dBob for the info on previous update costs.

BlueApple
02-07-2011, 06:14 AM
For Tartiflette or anyone else familiar with the Mac version, could you go down the feature list and let us know which feature/s, if any, have problems on the Mac side?


Animation
Rendering
Plugin SDK
Multi-Core CPU Support
Hair and Fur with Guides, Dynamics & Collision
Dynamic Interactive Rendering
Sketch on top of your scene
View Shader Displacement in OpenGL
Weight Painting Tools
AutoRig 3
FBX Export
Realtime 3D Stereoscopic World View
Scene Referencing
Point Animation Module
Unlimited rendernode License
Enhanced FastMDD support

$40 is a great deal, provided the program works on my box.
Thanks,
-Adam

3DBob
02-07-2011, 06:14 AM
I hope that following the promotion, the PMG team will, like the prodigal son, return to the fold and announce a strategic relationship with NT to develop the character animation nodes for CORE.

And I'll still be happy as I'll have got more seats of a great tool for my team.

one can dream.....

Conversely, they could be developing a strategic relationship to develop the character animation tools in MODO, but let's not dwell on that eh?

3DBob

Philbert
02-07-2011, 06:44 AM
Got received payment for a job I'm working on in the past hour, so I went ahead and bought in. I see a lot of people saying they bought it but the progress bar hasn't moved. I wonder if they manually move it once everyone there wakes up.

funk
02-07-2011, 06:55 AM
Got received payment for a job I'm working on in the past hour, so I went ahead and bought in. I see a lot of people saying they bought it but the progress bar hasn't moved. I wonder if they manually move it once everyone there wakes up.

Maybe it IS moving but the movement is so small that we'll need another 50,000 purchases to reach the end? :D :grumpy:

DogBoy
02-07-2011, 06:58 AM
More I think about this thing, and more I can see something negative going on with Messiah. I pay....I have to wait till the end (if there will be) to get my license. You want my money? Give me a license. As it's now....no deal for me.

I don't see it. you pay $40 (and have to promote the offer) to make sure pMG make their level of interest. It is similar to buying into Core on day 1: sight unseen, based on a very early tech demo, NT asked us to pony up for Core.
For similar reasons to my buying into Core (I feel NT have to start working on LWs replacement), I paid for Messiah. If we can't make up the required numbers, I've lost $40. If Core never comes to pass I've lost several hundred.

OnlineRender
02-07-2011, 07:03 AM
I see a lot of people saying they bought it but the progress bar hasn't moved. .


probably just a gif :D

down_in_black
02-07-2011, 07:22 AM
More I think about this thing, and more I can see something negative going on with Messiah. I pay....I have to wait till the end (if there will be) to get my license. You want my money? Give me a license. As it's now....no deal for me.

If you need a licence today, or have bought a new version prior to this deal started they say you will get a refund of "the difference in price between the equivalent version purchased, and this special when the goal is met." This also is a very good way to keep previous buyers happy.

Well I jumped in at the $40 version, to much good value to miss and I don't need the software today. And if I waited to long and missed this I know I would kick my self later for missing out on the deal. Let's hope this works out great for all buyers and pmG!

Nicolas Jordan
02-07-2011, 07:31 AM
Something like this really makes me wonder what the reasoning is behind it. Is PMG just trying to see how many potential users they can get to see what the max install base is or are they short on cash for future development and this is just a way to get some money quickly? If they get to keep our cash if the goeal is not met then it is a win/win situation for them. If there is no time limit for the goal thn it will probably be met in time. :question:

I'm going to take a wait and see approach for now on this one.

WilliamVaughan
02-07-2011, 08:00 AM
Interesting concept. I've always been interested in PM. I bought it years ago and just lost sight of it.

The people I know that use it, swear by it for animation. I'm interested to see how the hair compares to FiberFX and Sas.

cagey5
02-07-2011, 08:06 AM
I was wondering about the hair too, but a cursory glance through the gallery shows the usual range of bald alien creatures and 'cartoon' hair. I'd imagine if it was brilliant there would be more on show.

MiniFireDragon
02-07-2011, 08:10 AM
Got received payment for a job I'm working on in the past hour, so I went ahead and bought in. I see a lot of people saying they bought it but the progress bar hasn't moved. I wonder if they manually move it once everyone there wakes up.

...from website

"We will update the progress bar so you can see where you're at in reaching that goal. When the bar reaches the end, we will close out the offer and no further orders will be allowed; no exceptions. Whether you get the software for this amazing price is up to you, and how well you get the word out."

WilliamVaughan
02-07-2011, 08:10 AM
I never understood why PM never took off. It was used on the Jimmy Neutron movie and alot of other big profile projects during that time and then just kind of fell off. There have been some die hard users but I rarely hear about it.

From what users of the software tell me, it's amazing to animate with.

Larry_g1s
02-07-2011, 08:14 AM
Plunked down $40 for the pro. :)
Come on fellas, pretty small gamble.

Philbert
02-07-2011, 08:19 AM
It's not even really a gamble, except maybe if you've never used the software before, but the odds sound pretty good for it being a wise investment.

kallis
02-07-2011, 08:20 AM
If youre not totally broke, then you cant go wrong with this. So little money for this software. Been playing around i version 4.5, but on a Mac...

Nicolas Jordan
02-07-2011, 08:24 AM
Plunked down $40 for the pro. :)
Come on fellas, pretty small gamble.

I didn't think Christians gambled, especially the evangelical kind. :eek: ;)

BlueApple
02-07-2011, 08:28 AM
I dropped $40 for the Mac version.

DaveG
02-07-2011, 08:34 AM
I couldnt resist - my hands were trembling when I clicked on the buy button LOL

Too much coffee :D

DaveG
02-07-2011, 08:43 AM
I think Core is coming along great :-)

I wish PM was purchased by LW and integrated into the new LW CORE- Now THAT would really complete the package

Philbert
02-07-2011, 08:46 AM
I just cant imagine people would just stop buying it, I mean, people were buying it before the deal, it seems reasonable that they will also be buying it after the deal.

evenflcw
02-07-2011, 08:47 AM
I never understood why PM never took off.
They're not owned by Autodesk? Not enough marketing? They look (and are) small?


Yep, this is a minor gamble compared to Core. I've gambled on both.
Won anything yet? (you asked for it) :)

RebelHill
02-07-2011, 08:48 AM
for $40 Im in...

thats half my winnings on the packers last night so it makes sense to let it ride again.

cagey5
02-07-2011, 08:56 AM
The progress bar has just updated. Now 11% there.

BlueApple
02-07-2011, 09:05 AM
for $40 Im in...

Have you used Messiah before? What are your thoughts on its strengths and weaknesses relative to rigging and animating?

Emmanuel
02-07-2011, 09:11 AM
Doesnt matter, my buddy is a fanboy, and now I might become one, too.Just ordered the Pro version.

pat-lek
02-07-2011, 09:12 AM
I have also buying a "pro" version.

(But i dont know what really "project messiah" is, i just looking some vidéo)

"We will update the progress bar so you can see where you're at in reaching that goal. When the bar reaches the end, we will close out the offer and no further orders will be allowed; no exceptions. Whether you get the software for this amazing price is up to you, and how well you get the word out."

No date limit? We can wait for years??

Nicolas Jordan
02-07-2011, 09:16 AM
If the progress bar makes it to the 75% range I will probably take the plunge with the rest of you. I already own messiah 2.x but I wouldn't mind getting the latest version if this thing looks like it's going to make it. :)

colkai
02-07-2011, 09:19 AM
Given the deal, I don't see how anyone can pass it up if they don't already own messiah.
Even if you go for the $10 version, that's only a magazine or two for the chance of getting the software.
Surely worth it, even to hobbyists like me (yup, I did jump on, $10 is only 6 quid, how could I not? :) )

RebelHill
02-07-2011, 09:21 AM
Have you used Messiah before? What are your thoughts on its strengths and weaknesses relative to rigging and animating?

Cant say I have... though Ive done a lot of looking into it at various times over the years.

However, when it comes to animating, Im very impressed by ts viewport speed, anility to reference scenes, and ofc, its point animation features. Even if anim was done in LW and MDD's over to messaih for point animation refining (of shapes, silhouettes, etc) it'd be worth it for $40.

As for rigging, there certainly seems to be some nice tools, the auto rig, armatures workings, and quick setup stretchy bones all looks good. I have however heard, and from many sources, that one you get into more advanced rigging setups, autosnaps, space switching, etc, etc... the whole "messiahs so quick/easy to rig" fable doesn't hold so true.

johnliebler
02-07-2011, 09:27 AM
Curiosity's got me. I'm in. :)

cresshead
02-07-2011, 09:30 AM
btw that progress bar HAs moved...

fishhead
02-07-2011, 09:57 AM
I am in, too! Lets see what happens ;-)

cagey5
02-07-2011, 10:10 AM
Moved again. Now up to 14%. I reckon once it hits 50% it'll really accelerate.

allabulle
02-07-2011, 10:15 AM
I'm in too. Sometimes I buy DVD tutorials for more money just to see someone working differently than me. This could be myself working differently than me for around €30. :--)

3DBob
02-07-2011, 10:44 AM
And there you have it - they have setup tab, there you can get basic to really advanced videos. I have bought nearly every video and there is some powerful stuff in there - and guess what - I have spent much more money on the videos than I have on buying 4 pro licences.

I think I'll do some videos on how to get morphing / MDDs for lip synching working alongside PMG animation.

The motion mixer equvalalent in PMG is really powerful and there are good tutorials by Joe Cosman (http://setuptab.com/index.php?action=store;sa=view;id=91) that show you how to build procedurally animatable characters using it.

Re - the progress bar moving - has anyone considered the scale may be logarythmic.... or worse?

3DBob

Mangoat
02-07-2011, 10:49 AM
In also. I've got a copy of version 1.5 lying around somewhere, I paid $300 for it back in the day and never really used it. I'd feel much better paying $40 and not using it - seems like so much of a better deal :)

cagey5
02-07-2011, 10:51 AM
I suspect if I do buy it I'd never use it, but will probably get dragged in anyhow. I keep saying I will try and get my head around rigging and animation so this may be the impetus I need.

hunter
02-07-2011, 10:57 AM
I'm in. For 40 bucks how can you not get it? :D

DMarkwick
02-07-2011, 10:57 AM
Progress bar has approx. doubled since I bought into it this morning :)

Fingers crossed.

arsad
02-07-2011, 11:06 AM
@ mangoat
LOL

I couldn't resist either! At 30 Euros this is a steal. Make some noise on the web, so we will get our licenses soon ;)

Nicolas Jordan
02-07-2011, 11:08 AM
I have an old version of messiah that uses a dongle. Does anyone know if the new version of messiah still uses a dongle?

manholoz
02-07-2011, 11:09 AM
Just bought in.

Sean Martin
02-07-2011, 11:18 AM
More I think about this thing, and more I can see something negative going on with Messiah. I pay....I have to wait till the end (if there will be) to get my license. You want my money? Give me a license. As it's now....no deal for me.

Hilarious! I payed £283.27 GBP 2 years ago for CORE and I still don't
have it!!!!

3DBob
02-07-2011, 11:29 AM
If you already have a dongle, you can use that dongle and it is the simplest method.

If you dont, you can either fix it to a machine - or to a portable USB device like the cheapest USB stick you can find - dig out an old 128k one or something.

What you do is run a little program and it generates a unique code for the hardware you are locking it to - you send that to PMG and they send you back a licence key. If you have a USB memory stick - you save it in the root. DO NOT FORMAT A USB if you put it on that as this will remove the unique code that the generator uses.

As a bonus - if you have say a 2MB stick - you can drop the installs for 64/32bit on there and even install the soft. Then wherever you go - you can animate. If you drop on your current project - you can just turn up somewhere and start work.

3DBob

animdude3d
02-07-2011, 11:35 AM
Just put my order in. Great tool can't beleave the price

cresshead
02-07-2011, 11:38 AM
If you already have a dongle, you can use that dongle and it is the simplest method.

If you dont, you can either fix it to a machine - or to a portable USB device like the cheapest USB stick you can find - dig out an old 128k one or something.

What you do is run a little program and it generates a unique code for the hardware you are locking it to - you send that to PMG and they send you back a licence key. If you have a USB memory stick - you save it in the root. DO NOT FORMAT A USB if you put it on that as this will remove the unique code that the generator uses.

As a bonus - if you have say a 2MB stick - you can drop the installs for 64/32bit on there and even install the soft. Then wherever you go - you can animate. If you drop on your current project - you can just turn up somewhere and start work.

3DBob

ohh i like the sound of that!:thumbsup:

3DBob
02-07-2011, 11:46 AM
Yes cress, Additionally if more vendors took this approach, you could have one 16 GB stick with all your software and licences and Current project and you could travel very lightly.

There would have to be some backup plan though!

I started out life in the marketing industry - and this is a brilliant play they have made. Here is my take on their strategy.

They don't specify a time - but they do specify a full refund if target not met.... this is key to unlocking their strategy.

They may well have a cash target to be met - and realistically speaking, it would be wise to colour in when it is reached so that the order page can return to normal asap.

But they maybe playing a fun game that is win win regardless of actual software delivery - remember they are not asking for money for something that might exist (Cough!) - they are offering the chance to bag an existing product that you can download the demo for at practically nil cost - if the "cash target" is not met you loose nothing. Importantly they gain either way. Why, I'll come on to later. How do they guarantee they win... you'll see

They say they will refund if "Cash Target" not met, no time stated - they also say the bar will move as purchases are made - but they do not specify the algorythm. Is it linear (most people would expect that), maybe it is log - that would be painful - I suspect if they are playing the best to their advantage, it would be DEMAND driven - but it is like a ratchet, so their is no going back. I summise therefore that it is DEMAND LOG with defined decision point. i.e. they have a defined end date and will use the spare bar to massage demand up till this time and make a decision as to when/if to cash out.

There are two likely time limitations. The first is the length of time they can afford to make no sales - i.e. how much time their normal ordering is down for before it starts to hurt. This is likely to be before what I believe is the most likely end time and that has everything to do with PayPal.

If they were to refund via paypal and it not cost them a bean they have to do it within 90 days of the first purchase if I recall correctly and then PP will refund the fee - just a bit of time on their side.

So I predict they will keep it going for up to 90 days from today and everytime sales drop off - they can just bump up the counter stimulating more purchases and interest - it will not relate to actual sales - just to rate of demand. To play the system, users would have to social network in order to make the buying lumpy and drive the ratchet - but the fun is that this ignores the first cut off - that of protection of their normal business model.

Since we don't know the "target sales volume" or "cash figure" and they know the actual achieved buy-ins - they can just have fun with it for 90 days - meanwhile everyone gets to hear a lot more about PMG - hence they cannot loose.

Given that there are 3 main programmers (the others look like contracted help or code bought in) - I recon they would want at least $90,000 which translates to around 2250 users - but of course, they can just decide at 90 days if they want to take the money and new users or not.

If they get $30k each, then they can say - well, covers basic living for the year (or 10 if you relocate to India including food and house rent) - if we focus on making the next version really worth the upgrade fee - and people know they won't loose by upgrading if we run a similar promotion - we will have a lot more potential users for our standard $249 upgrade next year. Again a massive win on PMGs part.

In the meantime - all those newbies will buy a shed load of tutorials off set-up tab and PMG makes a cut on every tut sold - I have bought $100s of tutes off their this year alone. Again PMG big win.

So, there are two possible outcomes

1. Fictional Cash/sales target reached and user gets the latest version of a superb animation and rendering tool for a pittance. This will happen before 90 days. HUGE WIN FOR CUSTOMER AND SUPPLIER as they will have new users that might upgrade or buy tutorials or plug-ins like FastMDD.

2. They string it out till the last day and make a decision after looking at the cash pile that it is not worth it and refund the amount. The customer does not loose anything as interest does not exist in the western world at least. PMG win as potential users are exposed and think about this tool that solves many shortcomings in their current tools or allows more people to animate for less. Lets face it, depending on what you are doing, you could get by with any one of 3DC/Blender/Modo/Wings/Turbosquid/etc and PMG and model right through to render a wide array of character animations.

lovely

I hope they stick to 1 as I'm in for 4 pro licences to sit alongside my 4 pro licences I have. In either case they ready themselves for stage two....... what is that you ask.......

It gives them a year, free from financial worries in which to play Newtek and Luxology off against each other as to who gets the code base and the team to integrate it into their app - with a big cash sum up front and a 5 year maintenance contract. Hell they could do both apps. This would be a very prudent thing to do as with Blender advancing - and both NT and LUX determined to fill these holes it would give either or both a big leg up in CA ability.

I believe the best marrage is with NT however - as it could be made as a CORE node. Personally speaking, I think NT have to make this happen.

If it did, you get to the final advantage of this deal - a load of users that are tooled up with PMGs character tools during this components development for CORE.

Together we stand, divided we fall. Aesops fable has never rung more true.

Whatever comes of this, it is a brilliant, BRILLANT piece of marketing - only winners.

I applaud PMG.

3DBob



3DBob.

cresshead
02-07-2011, 11:49 AM
done and dusted...bought the pro version 1 copy of.

cagey5
02-07-2011, 12:14 PM
That seems to have made a difference. Another small advancement. It may be time for me to buy in otherwise I can see me waking up tomorrow to a missed opportunity. Or do you think we are weeks away yet?

cresshead
02-07-2011, 12:24 PM
That seems to have made a difference. Another small advancement. It may be time for me to buy in otherwise I can see me waking up tomorrow to a missed opportunity. Or do you think we are weeks away yet?

i think it may ramp up pretty quick...i just bought another one , not for me but for a gift!

Dennik
02-07-2011, 12:25 PM
Just ordered the pro version.
Haven't updated my copy since v2.5 so $40 for an upgrade is a steal!

dulo
02-07-2011, 12:26 PM
Just bought in for one Pro Version ... ( have one 4.5 seat already ) ...

akademus
02-07-2011, 12:29 PM
Put my 40$ bucks as well. I never really used Messiah, but I liked the app since it started and even if they asked me for money just to stay afloat, I'd give them.

Lest see how it goes :)

pablogrca1
02-07-2011, 12:40 PM
I just bought the $40 too :D

50one
02-07-2011, 12:42 PM
OK, just got myself the pro version, hope we will get the licenses soon.
Nice marketing move btw:thumbsup:

kosmodave
02-07-2011, 12:44 PM
Giddy Up.. I'm in for $40, at that price it's got to be worth the gamble.

Dave

3DBob
02-07-2011, 12:47 PM
In case you missed it as I was typing for so long!

"Brilliant Strategy" (http://www.newtek.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1109368&postcount=71)

3DBob

50one
02-07-2011, 01:01 PM
In case you missed it as I was typing for so long!

"Brilliant Strategy"

Yeah, just read your thoughts(I'm thinking the same)and to be honest, even if they'll runaway with my £25 in their pocket, it's still cool, I'm spending more money each month on stuff I don't need:D Bonus If I will get my license at some point, besides the renderer is quite good:)

cagey5
02-07-2011, 01:08 PM
Well when all's said and done it's too good an opportunity to pass up for $40. SO that's me in for the Pro version. Now the waiting begins .... wait a minute, that phrase seems awfully familiar

edit.. I've seen a couple of comments praising the renderer. What's so good about it and specifically what does it do that LW doesn't.

zarti
02-07-2011, 01:10 PM
i had 5 when it came out ...

if i do 40$ right now ,

i'll approx save myself the next update ( they'll credit the difference )

and i'll push the progress 1+ further for you all and many others .






















... in fact , i have already done it before posting here ! :D

i love you all !!

50one
02-07-2011, 01:14 PM
Basically the renderer is "Arnold" - hehe or his grandpa lol

zarti
02-07-2011, 01:15 PM
just a question :

when This started ??


edit:

another question :

how do you 'see' its progress ? do you draw something on the monitor ? =)

TeZzy
02-07-2011, 01:21 PM
Going to drop $40 for this great deal too but just want to ask about the 'usage' pull down selection. There is personal, business, other etc. Is this a limitation to what I can use it for or is it merely just a surveying thing?

oliversimonnet
02-07-2011, 01:25 PM
Im in on this too
i wounder when they started it tho

3DBob
02-07-2011, 01:27 PM
less than 12 hours ago AFAIK

3DBob

cagey5
02-07-2011, 01:29 PM
... snip

another question :

how do you 'see' its progress ? do you draw something on the monitor ? =)

If you view the page source you can see what percentage of the bar it's drawing. Currently 16%..

zarti
02-07-2011, 01:30 PM
how do you 'see' its progress ? do you draw something on the monitor ? =)

ok , i'm using a ruler ...

right now it reads : 3cm + 3mm :D



p.s. i'm on a 13' laptop

JeffrySG
02-07-2011, 01:42 PM
I suspect if I do buy it I'd never use it, but will probably get dragged in anyhow. I keep saying I will try and get my head around rigging and animation so this may be the impetus I need.

Exactly my thoughts.... I'll probably buy the pro later today...


I thought it would have been funny if the price started at $1 and for every X copies that people buy the price goes up another dollar or so until the final discounted price which could have been $200 or something like that. Then there would be an incentive to really get in earlier.... but I think this is working pretty well so far!

Matelot13
02-07-2011, 01:43 PM
some bad vibes regarding the Mac version :

http://projectmessiah.com/x6/community.html

3DBob
02-07-2011, 01:53 PM
It has gone up 2% in less than 90 mins! ( I have been corrected)

3DBob

50one
02-07-2011, 01:55 PM
That's why real man are using the Win/PC, not the dumbed-down-shiny PC wannabe:D

I'm using Mac at work, it sucks - esp. the hardware, the only nice thing abou it is the OS maybe and the keyboard.

cagey5
02-07-2011, 01:57 PM
A slight rewording on the terms of the offer too.

.." In the event the goal is not met, we will simply refund everyone..."

zarti
02-07-2011, 02:00 PM
ok , i'm using a ruler ...

right now it reads : 3cm + 3mm :D

+ 3mm =)

meatycheesyboy
02-07-2011, 02:00 PM
In for 1 pro license. Thanks OP.

If someone wants to ensure that this meets the goal more quickly, post it to slickdeals.

Ulven
02-07-2011, 02:16 PM
A slight rewording on the terms of the offer too.

.." In the event the goal is not met, we will simply refund everyone..."

I think there were some people that were getting a little bit iffy about this not being stated directly. Knowing Fori (president at pmG) I don't believe they had any other intention (it'd be illegal anyway), but it's better now that it is stated clearly.

GregMalick
02-07-2011, 02:20 PM
I bought in just so I don't have to license through my USB thumbdrive.
I can license my laptop directly to it's own hard-drive.


and i measured the progress bar: 3cm out of 33cm = 21.21%

cagey5
02-07-2011, 02:21 PM
I think there were some people that were getting a little bit iffy about this not being stated directly. Knowing Fori (president at pmG) I don't believe they had any other intention (it'd be illegal anyway), but it's better now that it is stated clearly.


Yep, that was my reading too. There's been a lot of comments on various threads saying it was unclear what the situation would be in the event of the target not being met. I doubt there were many that thought a refund wouldn't be forthcoming but clarity always helps.

Nicolas Jordan
02-07-2011, 02:41 PM
.." In the event the goal is not met, we will simply refund everyone..."

If that's the case you can count me in! :thumbsup:

Julez4001
02-07-2011, 02:44 PM
I just bought two more seats.
$40 is too much of a good deal.
Thinking about one more.

alvin_cgi
02-07-2011, 02:55 PM
Bought one last night, will buy another one!!!:thumbsup:

Portnoy
02-07-2011, 02:56 PM
Well, don't really see it as a gamble. They said if the goal wasn't reached the money would be refunded. I wonder what the goal is. If so then it's a great deal for this software. Supposed to be great for CA.

cagey5
02-07-2011, 02:59 PM
If that's the case you can count me in! :thumbsup:

Good, Buy four ;)

OnlineRender
02-07-2011, 03:08 PM
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6599/messha.png


NT take note !

calilifestyle
02-07-2011, 03:13 PM
i shared the link hope it pans out

3DBob
02-07-2011, 03:19 PM
For those that want to know what is new in PM5

here is a few big new features that I like


Hair Instancing (http://www.eggington.net/5Promo/hair%20instancing.htm)

Dynamic update rendering with limited region that follows a selection (http://www.eggington.net/5Promo/dynamic%20update%20render.htm)

(though I think VPR and FPrime are better - but at least you can learn their shader system)

sketch mode
(http://www.eggington.net/5Promo/sketch.htm)

Have a look at the others.

AutoRig 3 was the big thing for me in 4.5 and it does allow you to quickly get up and running with a character.

3DBob

Philbert
02-07-2011, 03:41 PM
A slight rewording on the terms of the offer too.

.." In the event the goal is not met, we will simply refund everyone..."

This is most likely because I emailed them, pointing out that people of forums were asking this question.

zarti
02-07-2011, 03:44 PM
...


Hair Instancing (http://www.eggington.net/5Promo/hair%20instancing.htm)

...

3DBob

:thumbsup:

colkai
02-07-2011, 03:49 PM
At 20% now :)

Nicolas Jordan
02-07-2011, 03:52 PM
25% by my measuring method. I take a piece of paper hold it on the screen and mark the start and end then divide it into four sections. :)

OnlineRender
02-07-2011, 04:01 PM
"*Not yet a subsidiary of Autodesk.";

on there website ! made me laugh well worth $40 to see that .

jasonwestmas
02-07-2011, 04:05 PM
Sure, I'll share for 40$ no prob. :)

meatycheesyboy
02-07-2011, 04:08 PM
25% by my measuring method. I take a piece of paper hold it on the screen and mark the start and end then divide it into four sections. :)

As of this post, I'd say closer to 23%. :)

oliversimonnet
02-07-2011, 04:11 PM
do we know how long we have to get to the "goal"

MiniFireDragon
02-07-2011, 04:12 PM
I bought 1, then just now bought three more... some of the $10, some of the $40.

And to Add to 3dBob's ssshhhppeeel. pMG could also be doing this to get acquire additional funding from a bank or what not. Most banks require proof of need/want/market/etc. and some cash to back it (10% is it?).

OnlineRender
02-07-2011, 04:16 PM
meh trying something out

OnlineRender
02-07-2011, 04:31 PM
www.3djunkies.net HAS MESSIAH WATCH :D

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6557/messiah.png

oliversimonnet
02-07-2011, 04:33 PM
aah cool
very nice, thats handy :)

probiner
02-07-2011, 04:50 PM
At this rhythm by thursday everyone will have their license =) I guess from 75% to 100% will be a pop!

Hopper
02-07-2011, 04:54 PM
Just a note... upon checkout, you are presented with an offer from PayPal to sign up for the "Bill Me Later" service. You get $10 off your first purchase, so if you want an additional seat for a basic license, sign up and effectively get it for free. :)

hrgiger
02-07-2011, 04:58 PM
I simply can't believe that they would take so many peoples money like this, only to refund it later. Personally I think this is just a move by PMG to get their software into the hands of everyone and increase their userbase. Not a bad move if that's the case. That's a lot of upgrades even if only a quarter of this promotion stick around for the next one.

Lito
02-07-2011, 05:00 PM
I am in for 1 pro license. I don't think I have a use for Messiah but for $40 why not give it a try. Worst case you get the $40 back, that's not even a bit risky :).

meatycheesyboy
02-07-2011, 05:19 PM
I simply can't believe that they would take so many peoples money like this, only to refund it later.

Exactly. I wonder if they have a number in mind but also a time limit in mind. So ideally they want x number of people to sign up but if that doesn't happen before a certain date then the bar will magically get to 100% regardless.

[edit] Of course, that could just be my wishful thinking because I want cheap Messiah. [edit]

m.d.
02-07-2011, 05:33 PM
already bought 1 pro license....
anybody know how licensing works with this....is it tied to a dongle?

also for people measuring the bar....just look at the page source...you'll see an area with progress bar in it ant the width is given in %
currently at 21%....

my only worry with this marketing is everybody with any intention of buying this at all would jump on it immediately at this price...and the 21% might reflect a good chunk of those in north america in that market (just because of the time the offer was released) we'll have to see after asia and europe get on this in the next 12 hours.

BlueApple
02-07-2011, 05:34 PM
I simply can't believe that they would take so many peoples money like this, only to refund it later. Personally I think this is just a move by PMG to get their software into the hands of everyone and increase their userbase. Not a bad move if that's the case. That's a lot of upgrades even if only a quarter of this promotion stick around for the next one.

I totally agree. Additionally, having to refund all of that money would not be the best spot of PR for PMG. While it is the right thing to do in the event they don't meet their goal, there would likely be some folks who felt disappointed by the overall process.

A Windows Pro license may be in my future to hedge my bets against their Mac product...

zarti
02-07-2011, 05:40 PM
already bought 1 pro license....
anybody know how licensing works with this....is it tied to a dongle?

...

self-made-dongle ...

which means ; a virgin usb to be married ... :D

which means ; you use an empty usb . a small program generates a code . you send it to pgm . they send you back a license file . you put that on The usb . you use That usb as a dongle .

simple .

m.d.
02-07-2011, 05:47 PM
self-made-dongle ...

which means ; a virgin usb to be married ... :D

which means ; you use an empty usb . a small program generates a code . you send it to pgm . they send you back a license file . you put that on The usb . you use That usb as a dongle .

simple .

got it....thanks
i'm ok with that ...just have to find a very small (storage wise) usb stick

Ulven
02-07-2011, 06:13 PM
I believe that they also have their own dongle that you can use. The license I have has a PMG dongle. The new license I will (hopefully) be getting can be tied to a flash drive. Of course I believe that allowing it to be used on ANY USB flash drive is a HUGE plus. You can put all of the program files on it and have everything you need to use on any machine. Newtek should think about this as well since it would still allow for a dongle BUT the dongle is MUCH more than just a licensing device - it contains your program as well. MUCH better! :thumbsup:

Yeah you can (and most people do) put both the program and the install files as well on the flash drive, so you can simply go to any job place and run it from there very lightweight. Copying it onto the harddrive tends to make it open faster so you may still want to do that as well. You can get bulletproof flash drives if you're worried about breaking them (we have about 10)

Philbert
02-07-2011, 06:17 PM
I believe that they also have their own dongle that you can use.

That's what I read in the Wikipedia article, a HASP hardware dongle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_%28software%29

_F9_
02-07-2011, 06:21 PM
I think it's a great program, I've played with the demo, so for $40, sure I can wait.

Maybe Core should have a bar like that :-p

cresshead
02-07-2011, 06:40 PM
for either $10 or $40 it's an out and out must have for nearly any lightwaver and for students it's a have to have additional tool set for character animating as well.

how it compares to lightwave? well rigging/character animating maybe simpler..there's the autorigger...as for general renderer and visual fx not so sure..i'm only just scratching around on the website but it looks pretty capable and works well with lightwave and most other 3d apps like 3dsmax, maya etc.

for such a small outlay it's certainly creating a feel good wave for feb 2011 :^)

caesar
02-07-2011, 06:41 PM
1 Pro license here!

Sekhar
02-07-2011, 06:50 PM
It's a complete no-brainer, got one pro as well.

DrStrik9
02-07-2011, 06:57 PM
$40 plunked down here also. They're gonna get rich on this. :)

I bet the goal figure is HIGH though. Expecting the possibility of a refund.

oliversimonnet
02-07-2011, 07:00 PM
$40 plunked down here also. They're gonna get rich on this. :)

I bet the goal figure is HIGH though. Expecting the possibility of a refund.

i dont fully understand how it all works but arent they loosing out on a load of money? if we are paying $40 for something that is $1190?

jasonwestmas
02-07-2011, 07:06 PM
i dont fully understand how it all works but arent they loosing out on a load of money? if we are paying $40 for something that is $1190?

Not if it gets more users and we like the software. Then suddenly have more upgrades in store for us.

oliversimonnet
02-07-2011, 07:08 PM
Not if it gets more users and we like the software. Then suddenly have more upgrades in store for us.

Aahh ok cool. Thats a good Strategy haha

cresshead
02-07-2011, 07:09 PM
i dont fully understand how it all works but arent they loosing out on a load of money? if we are paying $40 for something that is $1190?

no cos at $1190 i was not a customer, at $40 i am willing to try it out...if i like it i'll buy some training videos from them and when the next version comes out i'll upgrade to it...they 'have me onboard' so to speak:)

Philbert
02-07-2011, 07:10 PM
Well I would imagine that the magority of people buying may not have bought in otherwise. So depending on how well their normal sales were doing they could make a profit from these sales, though I doubt it will be a fortune. However I think the main idea is to attract attention and get new users, this could possibly lead to many more purchases / upgrades in the future.

Ulven
02-07-2011, 07:12 PM
Since some of you might be looking for render things, here's a little test I did with Lee Perry Smith's model and texture paints (rigging, animation and shading in messiah):
http://www.usefulslug.com/files/Xerxestest5.mov
As I'm sure you already know: http://www.ir-ltd.net/

The animation was rendered in a single pass with a depth map in 3 minutes per frame on an Intel i7 950 @ 3.07ghz.
Could probably have reduced that , but 3 minutes is my exact patience limits for a frame so it was ok!

Meshman
02-07-2011, 07:15 PM
Pitched in $40 over here.

Sekhar
02-07-2011, 07:38 PM
i dont fully understand how it all works but arent they loosing out on a load of money? if we are paying $40 for something that is $1190?

Or this whole thing is a publicity trick (actually likely), where at the end of all this frenzy tons of people would've become aware of messiah. Hope it isn't, but otherwise seems too good to be true.

WilliamVaughan
02-07-2011, 07:47 PM
At the end of the day they have already won with this marketing campaign.

When was the last time there was this much buzz about PM?

I've seen this campaign plastered on every forum and it's been emailed to me by over 40 people today. It's been flooding Facebook, Skype, you name it.

There are more people looking into PM then there has been in years.

I'm sure everyone that has paid is going to get the deal... its a small price for them to pay... they just saved thousands on advertising dollars.

This is one of the best marketing strategies I've seen in ages.

Kudos to the team... I wish them nothing but the best.

:thumbsup:

DMarkwick
02-07-2011, 07:56 PM
I think it's a great strategy. The worst that can happen is that I get my $40 back, the best is that I have a great new tool at a bargain price.

I might make the suggestion that v6 will have some really, really cool new features though... ;)

Does anyone know if I can get an "official" dongle for this, even if I need to pay for it?

Sekhar
02-07-2011, 08:01 PM
This is one of the best marketing strategies I've seen in ages.

Actually, this is just the LivingSocial/Groupon/etc. deal strategy (where you get the deal only if enough people pay), except they've taken it to the extreme on the discount.

Dennik
02-07-2011, 08:03 PM
At the end of the day they have already won with this marketing campaign.

When was the last time there was this much buzz about PM?

I've seen this campaign plastered on every forum and it's been emailed to me by over 40 people today. It's been flooding Facebook, Skype, you name it.

There are more people looking into PM then there has been in years.

I'm sure everyone that has paid is going to get the deal... its a small price for them to pay... they just saved thousands on advertising dollars.

This is one of the best marketing strategies I've seen in ages.

Kudos to the team... I wish them nothing but the best.

:thumbsup:

I always thought that PMG were quite the innovators with their software, they just weren't able to reach a critical mass of a user base to keep the momentum going (not the best way to describe it but you know what I mean). I truly hope this campaign changes things for the best.

Chris S. (Fez)
02-07-2011, 08:04 PM
OK, plunked down for the pro version.

geo_n
02-07-2011, 08:18 PM
For those that want to know what is new in PM5

here is a few big new features that I like


Hair Instancing (http://www.eggington.net/5Promo/hair%20instancing.htm)

Dynamic update rendering with limited region that follows a selection (http://www.eggington.net/5Promo/dynamic%20update%20render.htm)

(though I think VPR and FPrime are better - but at least you can learn their shader system)

sketch mode
(http://www.eggington.net/5Promo/sketch.htm)

Have a look at the others.

AutoRig 3 was the big thing for me in 4.5 and it does allow you to quickly get up and running with a character.

3DBob

Does messiah have mocap retargetting?
Plunked down. This is cheaper than a ps3 game.

evolross
02-07-2011, 08:24 PM
There's no way they're going to refund a huge lump of cash they have already been paid, when the product is a digital program and it costs the company virtually nothing. Companies need money. If they did the refund they would also piss off a TON of all-new potential, long-term users, who went out of their way to promote their product... can you say angry!?

This is just a (really good) marketing campaign to get a bunch of new Messiah users, that otherwise would not have bought a license. We're all getting our $40 licenses for sure.

Ernest
02-07-2011, 08:27 PM
I think I made a mistake. I got the pro version thinking of the small $30 difference. I did not consider the difference in the price of the next upgrade.

I think I'm going to spend $10 extra on the cheaper version just to make sure I have an upgrade path.

calilifestyle
02-07-2011, 08:34 PM
There's no way they're going to refund a huge lump of cash they have already been paid, when the product is a digital program and it costs the company virtually nothing. Companies need money. If they did the refund they would also piss off a TON of all-new potential, long-term users, who went out of their way to promote their product... can you say angry!?

This is just a (really good) marketing campaign to get a bunch of new Messiah users, that otherwise would not have bought a license. We're all getting our $40 licenses for sure.

I don't mind if they do refund it. I mean really don't thin people shouldn't feel entitled to the program if they don't reach the goal. if this deal goes one til the end of the week. I'll pick up a another seat myself.

pixeltek
02-07-2011, 08:48 PM
In for one pro version

Gus 512
02-07-2011, 08:55 PM
I'm in:agree:

WilliamVaughan
02-07-2011, 09:05 PM
The DollEyes features is worth the price of admission!

I just setup a sharp looking eye in less then 2 minutes :thumbsup:

ary3d
02-07-2011, 09:28 PM
-40$ + one messiah pro :jam: nice...

David

Snosrap
02-07-2011, 09:42 PM
Messiah's been around for awhile and has a good rep. I downloaded the demo and I'm usually pretty quick figuring stuff out, but I can't navigate around in 3D space at all with this thing. $40 is a great deal, but the real investment would come in learning this beast. LW, Core and modo I've got plenty yet to learn and keep abreast on, I'm tempted but I'll pass.

jasonwestmas
02-07-2011, 09:51 PM
Messiah's been around for awhile and has a good rep. I downloaded the demo and I'm usually pretty quick figuring stuff out, but I can't navigate around in 3D space at all with this thing. $40 is a great deal, but the real investment would come in learning this beast. LW, Core and modo I've got plenty yet to learn and keep abreast on, I'm tempted but I'll pass.

I guess you're pressing the wrong buttons. ;)

I'm updating myself on the new tools in ZB4 plus some hotkeys changed so I know how you feel. Trying to do this with shadow box OT:

http://www.pixologic.com/zbrush/features/zbrush4/sculpt-and-productivity/

http://www.pixologic.com/zbrush/features/zbrush4/sculpt-and-productivity/

GraphXs
02-07-2011, 09:57 PM
Done! 40 dollars is an amazing deal!

Snosrap
02-07-2011, 10:16 PM
I guess you're pressing the wrong buttons. ;)
:D

I did find the preference editor and can now navigate half-ways decent. :thumbsup:

sculptactive
02-07-2011, 10:48 PM
Yep. Have not used Messiah in a while.

Just too good to miss.

Rayek
02-07-2011, 10:48 PM
I used to be the owner of a messiah license (long time ago). First feeling when I saw this offer:

MUST... HAVE... IT... - DROOL!!!

Yes, the caveman emotional brain kicked into high gears.

Then I got to think about it a bit. I remembered why I got rid of my first license. All kinds of issues. And last time I checked (v5 trial) it still has some opengl related issues - and I have FirePro drivers installed which work perfectly well in any other opengl app. And it will STILL not play nice with a wacom (well, the 32bit version does kinda, but only on one screen). The interface is a bit of a dud as far as dual or tri screen setups are concerned. Which I use and love. And I do not like the way one navigates the 3d view at all - it feels awkward to me. Nor was the rigging ever intuitive for me, especially for more complex rigs.

Of course, this is strictly my personal view on the software.

Soooo....... Should I buy it, just because it's inexpensive? Nope - I will install, never use it, and even $40 will be wasted money.

I have to admit, though, this could go viral, and it's a great idea to get messiah's blood pumping again. And, viewed from a psychological perspective, PMG knows exactly how to push that big red 'GREED' button in people's brains.

I, for one, will not fall for it - money spent on software not used, is wasted money, whether it is $4000 or $40. Try the trial first, people, and then make up your minds if it is worth it. It might prove to be more trouble than it is worth.

Zimtower
02-07-2011, 11:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciVL_EaRb5A

This video was in messiah in under 3 hours.

kojean
02-08-2011, 12:01 AM
An amazing price. I've had my eye on messiah for quite a while. To be honest, it's probably halfway down my wishlist, but at this price I can't pass it up.


I think I made a mistake. I got the pro version thinking of the small $30 difference. I did not consider the difference in the price of the next upgrade.

I think I'm going to spend $10 extra on the cheaper version just to make sure I have an upgrade path.
I'm wondering about that too. 64-bit, >2 cores and unlimited render nodes are essential features, but I don't know if I could afford a future full-priced Pro Edition upgrade.

pat-lek
02-08-2011, 12:05 AM
Boafff...


I think that they never reaches the goal...
I think that at start, the progress bar go fast, and at last, slower and slower.

Actually, thre progress bar is approximatively at 28 %; and day after day, his progression will become slower

Matelot13
02-08-2011, 12:32 AM
https://img.skitch.com/20110208-x4ipaf8wfrysre56pja51jctb7.jpg

mikala
02-08-2011, 12:39 AM
I spend more than $40 bucks a month on magazines and coffee.
Most of that money goes in the bin or down the toilet.
At least with this there is a slight possibility of return.

OnlineRender
02-08-2011, 01:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciVL_EaRb5A

This video was in messiah in under 3 hours.

yeah and 2 hours where making the credits

OnlineRender
02-08-2011, 01:13 AM
width:25%

just look at the bar source code :) , I agree they can throttle back the goal target at any point , but still ..........

Philbert
02-08-2011, 01:18 AM
width:25%

just look at the bar source code :) , I agree they can throttle back the goal target at any point , but still ..........

25% width, but I believe that doesn't cover the rounded part at the end, if it did the hemisphere would gradually become a spike. so I'd add another few percent to cover the hemisphere.

3DBob
02-08-2011, 01:50 AM
Regarding mocap retargetting

There is a free script that I have been able to modify to allow a number of BVH files to be successfully re-targeted. I got both moves from a paid session, Animeeple and Jimmy Rig (via LW and Animeeple) to work.

3DBob

Bona
02-08-2011, 01:55 AM
I'm in, $40 closer to the goal now :D

cagey5
02-08-2011, 02:14 AM
Hmmm still stuck around 25% though. Could be a long haul now to get to the goal.

Philbert
02-08-2011, 02:21 AM
I don't think that's accurate,I saw the 25% thing too, however I placed my mouse at the end of the bar and hit RF to refresh, so I could see the bar definitely jumped a little past my mouse.

FredyN
02-08-2011, 02:56 AM
+1 (40$) :d

juanjgon
02-08-2011, 03:00 AM
+1 here also :)

Iain
02-08-2011, 03:10 AM
I thiunk we need to do what they want and talk about this elsewhwere rather than here.

Just racking my brain to think of where I haven't seen the offer already!

iFX
02-08-2011, 03:14 AM
I'm in for $40 too... spent a few hours deciding ;) as I've done less and less animation over the past few years.

I used to call myself an animator and did it full-time, but these days I'm a programmer :( as animation's really just a hobby for me now.

Not that I hate programming... but I do miss 3D modelling and animation a lot...

Where I live there's just nowhere near enough work around for an animator to get by...

Back in the 90s I started with 3D Studio v1 (DOS) up to 3DS MAX v1.0 at which point I changed over to LW 4.0 (or was it 5.0? first version for Windows - I can't remember) - MAX was just too slow and buggy at the time...

I was working for a company on a tv advert and we got a freelance guy to create a character for us and he was using LW - it blew me away the first time I saw and tried it... then once I bought my own copy, I kept upgrading ... But lw10 will be the first one I won't be upgrading to, since I never even found the time to install the lw9 upgrade :(

Buying this might get me back into it again ;)

If not... hey, it's only $40... I bought Messiah 1.5 (or was it 1.0??) back in the day - but I ended up selling my copy to Geoff Suttor (from Blue Rocket Productions at the time), who later did some really cool stuff for Passion Pictures in London ;)

Not sure why I sold it... I think a new version of LW was coming and I needed some cash plus I was finding the jobs I had at the time weren't requiring much in the way of character animation, so messiah wasn't getting much use from me. That might have been around the time of the LW6 beta??

Anyway, it's been a long time since I've been here ;) but I'm looking forward to installing messiah 5 and getting back into it :) Hope we get enough people buying!

iFX
02-08-2011, 03:23 AM
By the way, does anyone know the deal with the Linux/WINE version?

I do a lot of dev work in Linux these days, so almost went for the Linux version... but changed it to Windows at the last minute when I realised it was WINE and 64-bit only under Windows...

So is it really a Linux version or is it running the 32-bit Windows version under Linux using WINE?

Has anyone here used it in Linux? what's it like?
If it's good I might get the Linux version as well...

calilifestyle
02-08-2011, 03:49 AM
The Linux/wine things is new. in 4.5 we only had Windows and Mac running on crossover.
btw im sure glad that dude over in lux forum isn't here. Oh my gosh how can one person make things so difficult. I'm not one to jump out and call someone a troll just because they disagree with me or 90% of web. But that dude is hated by what 99% of the users, i think. I'm sorry about this OT part.

OnlineRender
02-08-2011, 04:22 AM
A lot of people are forgetting the impact this may have on Lightwave , I bet NT marketing are kicking themselves right now , "saying why didn't we do that ,first " . .

Lets be sensible for a moment :

nobody knows what the goal target is , and that's if there even is one , they may just get to the point where they think "we have made enough cash ", or it might swing the other way and they might throttle back the png progress bar :)

Now do you think its worth there time refunding how many peoples cash ? not only that there maybe a charge on there behalf so it would make it pointless .

you will not get a Dongle : factor in that the cost of hardware and packaging $40 would not cover it , so it will be download , with key id generated .

I don't think Messiah are doing this for the cash flow , there doing it to put a Messiah seat in nearly every studio ,workplace and home ,its like a torrent with a small charge it will spread like wildfire .

need to ask yourself this , what happens when messiah 6 comes out ,what are the upgrade cost ect .

my2cents

inkpen3d
02-08-2011, 04:38 AM
Hmm, the progress bar is just an image. Here's an extract from the HTML source for that page:
src="images/ProgressR.png"

So, like someone mentioned in an earlier post, it's not going to change until someone updates that image by hand - probably when they take a break from drinking cocktails on some beach in Brazil where they've holed up with all that money you've been been blithely handing over!

Just kidding! ;-)

Mind you, they do say "if it's too good to be true, then it probably is"!

Seriously though, sounds like a real bargain and good luck to all those who have parted with their hard earned money.

Right, well, enough musing on life and back to catching a few rays and watching those beach babes - where's that damned waiter got to with my tequila sunrise...

lino.grandi
02-08-2011, 04:49 AM
Hilarious! I payed £283.27 GBP 2 years ago for CORE and I still don't
have it!!!!

You know you'll have it. And for sure....no "mysterious" quota to reach.

And you got LW10 already.

You could even ask for a refund if you're not happy.

Quite different situations.

Selling a cool software for 40$ could really be a great idea if you would sell it for real and immediately. I would be in for sure.

I hope for everyone that has accepted that the quota will be reached....but selling it directly at that price would have been something really cool and probably even more rewarding for PMG.

jwiede
02-08-2011, 04:59 AM
I always thought that PMG were quite the innovators with their software, they just weren't able to reach a critical mass of a user base to keep the momentum going (not the best way to describe it but you know what I mean). I truly hope this campaign changes things for the best.
Which, in fact, might be part of their motivation for this deal. Their software is quite nice, and certainly "pro-capable", they've just fallen a ways behind in the never-ending "mindshare battle". This deal is providing a huge influx of attention and awareness, and that may well be worth the few real sales where users that would have paid full price instead wind up getting the deal price.

In that sense, they've already "won", and I'm glad to see it. It IS good, innovative software (packaging using CrossOver for Mac turned out to be a really cool idea once they sorted out the big issues), and those guys deserve a bit of attention given the high quality and reliability of their work. I hope the influx of attention and new customers will allow them to finally achieve that critical mass -- its absence really does appear to be the main explanation for their lack of larger success.

pooby
02-08-2011, 05:01 AM
You know you'll have it. And for sure....no "mysterious" quota to reach.

And you got LW10 already.

You could even ask for a refund if you're not happy.

Quite different situations.

Selling a cool software for 40$ could really be a great idea if you would sell it for real and immediately. I would be in for sure.

I hope for everyone that has accepted that the quota will be reached....but selling it directly at that price would have been something really cool and probably even more rewarding for PMG.

I'd imagine that most people are quite enjoying being part of this clever marketing idea. Its quite fun.
I very much doubt that PMG will pull out, even if their original quota is not met. They will just adjust the slider.
I originally saw this as desperation, but I now am eating my words.. Its a very good idea on their part.

hrgiger
02-08-2011, 05:01 AM
I hope for everyone that has accepted that the quota will be reached....but selling it directly at that price would have been something really cool and probably even more rewarding for PMG.

I think you're missing the idea here. Not only does this get people talking about what a great price Messiah studio is going for, but it also motivates people to spread the word because they want others to buy it so that their own copy of Messiah can be secured. It's quite a good marketing campaign.

lino.grandi
02-08-2011, 05:02 AM
Since some of you might be looking for render things, here's a little test I did with Lee Perry Smith's model and texture paints (rigging, animation and shading in messiah):
http://www.usefulslug.com/files/Xerxestest5.mov
As I'm sure you already know: http://www.ir-ltd.net/

The animation was rendered in a single pass with a depth map in 3 minutes per frame on an Intel i7 950 @ 3.07ghz.
Could probably have reduced that , but 3 minutes is my exact patience limits for a frame so it was ok!


Cool animation and render!

Morphs look great!

jwiede
02-08-2011, 05:10 AM
Hmm, the progress bar is just an image. Here's an extract from the HTML source for that page:
src="images/ProgressR.png"

So, like someone mentioned in an earlier post, it's not going to change until someone updates that image by hand - probably when they take a break from drinking cocktails on some beach in Brazil where they've holed up with all that money you've been been blithely handing over!

Just kidding! ;-)
Um, inkpen, you do understand that image is then repeated to produce the "bar"? Thats the reason you added the "just kidding", right? Because if you actually parse the HTML, it's very clear that static image is repeated to produce a dynamic bar graph, and the current value displayed is even visible in the page source (at the moment it's at 25%). The bar value is definitely increasing, albeit slowly.

lino.grandi
02-08-2011, 05:14 AM
I think you're missing the idea here. Not only does this get people talking about what a great price Messiah studio is going for, but it also motivates people to spread the word because they want others to buy it so that their own copy of Messiah can be secured. It's quite a good marketing campaign.

I'm not missing the idea. It's so clear.

You know what? I would be even more motivated to spread the word if I got a license immediately. That's what I've done with 3D-Coat. I bought a wonderful package for a very reasonable price. I've tried that and I loved the software so much. I think I've convinced a lot of people to buy it.

If I take a look at Messiah today and compare it to what it was in 2000 when I first bought and use it as a HUGE LW plugin, I really can't see a lot of differences about the rigging tools. In that area it was a revolutionary software. I'm so sad the coding efforts have gone especially for the render and less for further improving rigging and animation, since rigging tools were so revolutionary more than 10 years ago, and could have been really "out of this world" stuff today.

pat-lek
02-08-2011, 05:25 AM
Um, inkpen, you do understand that image is then repeated to produce the "bar"? Thats the reason you added the "just kidding", right? Because if you actually parse the HTML, it's very clear that static image is repeated to produce a dynamic bar graph, and the current value displayed is even visible in the page source (at the moment it's at 25%). The bar value is definitely increasing, albeit slowly.

Yes; here is the picture:

http://www.projectmessiah.com/x6/images/ProgressTipC.png

Compare to the progress bar... it' s not the same size.


If the goal is really 100 % like actually, my advice is that the progress bar never go beyond 40%, i think, and absolutely she will surely never go to 100%

So... but, in this case, they don't take my money (If they do that, i do a viral campaign also)))

WilliamVaughan
02-08-2011, 05:26 AM
If I take a look at Messiah today and compare it to what it was in 2000 when I first bought and use it as a HUGE LW plugin, I really can't see a lot of differences about the rigging tools. In that area it was a revolutionary software. I'm so sad the coding efforts have gone especially for the render and less for further improving rigging and animation, since rigging tools were so revolutionary more than 10 years ago, and could have been really "out of this world" stuff today.

This could be said about alot of software...

Lightwolf
02-08-2011, 05:33 AM
I'd imagine that most people are quite enjoying being part of this clever marketing idea. Its quite fun.
I very much doubt that PMG will pull out, even if their original quota is not met. They will just adjust the slider.
I originally saw this as desperation, but I now am eating my words.. Its a very good idea on their part.
It's brilliant - quite similar to the initial set-up for the Blender Foundation.
The neat thing is that the internet allows for experiments like that.

This discussion, the discussions in other places and the (currently) roughly 280 people linking it on facebook certainly show that it's working splendidly for them.

The only problem is that it makes me ponder about how we could do something similar - fun being the key factor here.

Cheers,
Mike

arsad
02-08-2011, 05:48 AM
Go Mike go... ;)

Nicolas Jordan
02-08-2011, 06:03 AM
I really wonder if the same momentum in sales can be maintained today? It should be interesting to see how many sales were made overnight when they update the progress bar later this morning.

lino.grandi
02-08-2011, 06:07 AM
It would be cool to know what the final sales number should be...

crashnburn
02-08-2011, 06:53 AM
Had a $40 punt.

OnlineRender
02-08-2011, 07:09 AM
Yes; here is the picture:

http://www.projectmessiah.com/x6/images/ProgressTipC.png

Compare to the progress bar... it' s not the same size.


If the goal is really 100 % like actually, my advice is that the progress bar never go beyond 40%, i think, and absolutely she will surely never go to 100%

So... but, in this case, they don't take my money (If they do that, i do a viral campaign also)))

there is "NO" divclass attached to the <tb> and that image is the second part , the width is not driven by a script its driven by a human entering the size .
hence why I can embed the content into 3Djunkies .

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6557/messiah.png
where on a MESSIAH WATCH :)

lino.grandi
02-08-2011, 07:14 AM
I'm sure they want to keep that private.

I'd like to know LightWave sales numbers after LW10 was released, but I'm sure NewTek wants to keep that to themselves as well.

NewTek sales have no relation with the fact that the HC Memebers will receive their software or not. And is not doing any viral marketing.

Knowing if PMG goal is 1000, 10000, 100000 or 1000000 sales would help people believing that the goal itself is reacheable (or not).

You should know, since you have to reach that goal, not PMG.

OnlineRender
02-08-2011, 07:18 AM
You should know, since you have to reach that goal, not PMG.

agreed with that part , but there probably sitting thinking ok this has went viral we have sold (x) amounts of unit @$40 that's enough to cover wages for the next 2 years .........bing congratulations , software has no value ,once its made ,it's made ....it's the rest of the overheads they need to pay for , devs ect .

Andrewstopheles
02-08-2011, 07:20 AM
Just for your info a PNG image file can be generated by PHP scripts. I didn't look at the source code but the progress bar could be generated by such a script.
Still considering this temptation....

OnlineRender
02-08-2011, 07:23 AM
Just for your info a PNG image file can be generated by PHP scripts. I didn't look at the source code but the progress bar could be generated by such a script.
Still considering this temptation....

its not ! I looked


</div>
<div style="width:100%;margin-right:10px;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px">
<table style="border:dotted 1px #aaaaaa; width:100%;height:10px;">

<tr>
<td style="width:20px">
</td>
<td style="width: auto">
<strong>PROGRESS BAR</strong></td>
<td style="width: 20px">
</td>
</tr>

<tr style="border:solid 1px #000000">
<td style="width:20px"><strong>Start</strong></td>
<td style="width:auto;background-color:#EEEEEE;"><img style="height:25px; width:25%" src="images/ProgressR.png" /><img src="images/ProgressTipC.png" /></td>
<td style="width:20px"><strong>Goal</strong></td>
</tr>
</table>

</div>


lets hack there site and bump it upto 100% :) kiddin "for legal reason do not do this "

probiner
02-08-2011, 07:25 AM
I originally saw this as desperation, but I now am eating my words.. Its a very good idea on their part.
Probably one took to the other as a clever solution, with low risk.

As for this type of marketing and LW... definitely not for CORE, very interesting for LW10, since it's not that different from LW 9.6 and ppl would blend to CORE later.
But at what price? 50-75$? Too low for LW, but higher than this ppl won't "gamble". The fact that ppl "gamble" at so low price with PM it's the key, and at the very least you will get a cool plugin for you main 3D app.

This looks like promotion day on steam =)


Knowing if PMG goal is 1000, 10000, 100000 or 1000000 sales would help people believing that the goal itself is reacheable (or not).

Not really since it will probably reachable anyway, it's not like they won't deliver, it's just that they control the timing...
Sounds familiar...right? =P

OnlineRender
02-08-2011, 07:29 AM
I have to remind you ALL , you went on the exact same path when the CORE website was launched , we all lapped it up big time ,people at NT must have some laugh with the conspiricy theories .

the difference is , Messiah have gave everybody the chance to buy in , I simply never bought into core because at the time cash was non-existent .

its better to get 1000 sales at $40 than 40 seats @ $1000.

zarti
02-08-2011, 07:33 AM
keep posting here guys . cause it has been a while since i've participated in 'furious' threads like this one ...



... but do not forget to share IT !

We Are One !

i love you !

;D

zarti
02-08-2011, 07:43 AM
... .

its better to get 1000 sales at $40 than 40 seats @ $1000.

absolutely ... that's simple math =)

--


I really wonder if the same momentum in sales can be maintained today? It should be interesting to see how many sales were made overnight when they update the progress bar later this morning.

when i'll go in front of my 13' laptop at home , i'll update you with my 'ruler measurement method' © .

--

p.s.: i ignored this initially here ( and don't know why ?! ) but i noticed this at CMIVFX's site ( twitter feed ) ... so share guys , share .

iFX
02-08-2011, 08:03 AM
its not ! I looked

...

You looked at what exactly? the html that the server has sent to your browser? Viewing source in your browser won't show you server side source code.

Now, that shop.html file may be a static file - but just because a server is serving a file with an html extension doesn't necessarily mean it's just a static html file ;)

I use mod-rewrite all the time to serve up php scripts with a .html extension - makes it look like a site of static pages, but there's really only one index.php that all the pages are generated from (in addition to the database and additional php class files etc which are behind the scenes) ;)

Personally, if it was me, I'd be setting up an automated script to do this - it'd be much quicker than manually updating it every few minutes (or hours), but who knows... maybe it is manual??

lino.grandi
02-08-2011, 08:08 AM
Not really since it will probably reachable anyway, it's not like they won't deliver, it's just that they control the timing...
Sounds familiar...right? =P

Don't thinks so. If the goal is reached, you get the software, that's the deal. But you don't know which the goal is.
Would be great to read the number of sales in RT....it's 1565?

I buy one....now is 1566.....knowing you have to get to 10000.

And would be cool to get a temporary license key to use during the whole selling period.

I would be well more convinced to buy it.

And what about the users that bought Messiah one month, one week or one day before the new "deal"?

I would be really angry!

Dennik
02-08-2011, 08:15 AM
Don't thinks so. If the goal is reached, you get the software, that's the deal. But you don't know which the goal is.
Would be great to read the number of sales in RT....it's 1565?

I buy one....now is 1566.....

And would be cool to get a temporary license key to use during the whole selling period.

I would be well more convinced to buy it.

Personally I don't care about numbers. I wouldn't even mind if in the end they decide to give the software even if the bar doesn't reach their expectation. The important part is for PMG user base to grow so that there is more cash flow and more development going on. Its for every user's benefit that the number is high, and that the PMG community grows so that there is more support, exchange of ideas, and involvement in general. A large community of users is very important and I think that is what they are trying to achieve here.

Skritter
02-08-2011, 08:15 AM
.......And would be cool to get a temporary license key to use during the whole selling period.

I would be well more convinced to buy it.

........

Arr....that's what the Demo version is for...

http://www.projectmessiah.com/x6/download.html

iFX
02-08-2011, 08:19 AM
Just thought I'd throw up an example of what I mean...

have a look at:
http://www.glamorouslifeswimwear.com

That site may have links that end in .html, but it's all generated by php files... just by using something like:

RewriteRule ^(.*)\.html$ index.php?page=$1 [PT,L]
in your .htaccess file.

Phil
02-08-2011, 08:31 AM
Don't thinks so. If the goal is reached, you get the software, that's the deal. But you don't know which the goal is.
Would be great to read the number of sales in RT....it's 1565?

I buy one....now is 1566.....knowing you have to get to 10000.

And would be cool to get a temporary license key to use during the whole selling period.

I would be well more convinced to buy it.

And what about the users that bought Messiah one month, one week or one day before the new "deal"?

I would be really angry!

You seem to be really down on this whole thing for reasons that I struggle to understand given that a little reading shows :

1) There's a demo version available.
2) There's a guaranteed refund if the promotion doesn't meet the target
3) For those already holding licenses, or suddenly decide that they need a license right now, they will get a refund of their full license fee minus $10 or $40, if the promotion succeeds.

Why would the total number of sales make any difference to your assessment? A progress bar is just as effective a guide of where the effort is and what remains to complete the process - if you're intrigued, it should make little difference whether it is time-based or sales-based. It's just as open to being fudged as sales numbers (unless you want to be notified with every single sale and perform your own spot check on validity of the data - something which no vendor would permit). An explicit time-based campaign lacks the punch that the current approach has delivered for them.

Aside from anything else, it's a mere 10-40 USD. I can understand why you'd get upset about the possibility of this campaign being dragged out, but it's hardly a major chunk of change that they are holding (per head) and they aren't likely to drag this out for too long simply because the buzz will fade, defeating the purpose of the exercise.

I just don't understand the negativity in your posts about this. NewTek has been dragging the, much more expensive, Core exercise out for many, many more months and there's no clear indication of what shape it will take at the (undefined) end point for version 1. We don't even have a public timeline / definition for Core 1, let alone a progress bar. :chicken: :devil:

jasonwestmas
02-08-2011, 08:37 AM
And what about the users that bought Messiah one month, one week or one day before the new "deal"?

I would be really angry!

Just thinking out loud:

I would think the new messiah users would get a discount or warning. Pmg has most likely been planning this thing for a while and have considered this. If you buy full price today you get the discount too if the goal is met, so something similar may be available for purchases before the deal was made available to non-messiah owners.

Phil
02-08-2011, 08:40 AM
For some reason I'm sure this would not have worked for Lightwave/Newtek. Judging from the discussions concerning the good-will of people towards a package, pmg has a huge advantage. So, I really hope NT will not copy this approach. Although I think they can pull of something just as fun - remembering the core puzzle (without the dissappointing payoff, please, we don't need to go there), there has not been that much buzz in any 3D forum as back then, evar. Threads moving at chat speed... amazing. I've never had that much people ask me about LW. So... when core is ready for the public (probably at version 3), I'm looking forward to another core buzz.

Ah, and yupp - I'm in. :)

Clarisse stirred a lot of interest, but the progress appears to have slowed markedly since December. I had expected more than one Mac build, for example.

I liked the approach that Rhino took when it was in initial development. Public builds on a regular schedule, with built-in expiry after a certain date. They got to harvest an awful lot of feedback and grow mindshare whilst developing their product (I know of a lot of students that used Rhino during their engineering work and continue to use it even now, many years after graduation). That's something that seems to have paid off for them. Their Mac product is being developed in a similar style after all.

geo_n
02-08-2011, 08:46 AM
If the goal is reached, can pmg afford to reimburst the people who paid for messiah a few months back the difference between 40US and 1195US?
If 30 people bought in at 1195 they will get refunded their 1155 each. Thats more than 30k US!!

The move doesn't surprise me though since octanerender and 3dcoat did a below 100US software sale some time back. The market is just so monopolized by vray, zbrush, and AD animation soft so its good to get some other players go for it.

zarti
02-08-2011, 09:36 AM
@lino : i posted here i got V5 before this deal ... and yet i find i can save myself 200/300 $ on the next Up .

--

now lets twist our brains a bit :D ; what if ...



... if AD is already buying pmG but the condition wd be 'a specific amount of hmmm... users' ?!

so , guys , let the fantasy flow while that 'thing' keeps enlarging ...

Ha - haa !

Phil
02-08-2011, 09:40 AM
BTW, comparisons to core are completely unjustified, I agree with that for sure. The reasons to jump on this gamble are completely different ones from those wanting to pay for the future of LW. Maybe helps to simply keep this stuff apart. Cheers.

I disagree that the comparison is invalid. The approach is somewhat similar - you are being asked to pay in advance for something. The difference is that you can determine what that is in the case of messiah. Lino seems to be complaining that the delivery date is unknown for Messiah, but seems to have no issue with Core having been pre-sold, largely sight unseen, over the period of years for much more money up-front than messiah - with no defined spec, no timeline and very little public information even now. He seems to have deliberately skipped over the text on the site addressing his concerns, ignored the availability of a demo and doesn't appear to want to acknowledge the rebuttals to his points.

That all just seems to be hypocritical and out of character. I'm hoping he'll justify his position because it doesn't seem right to try and sling mud at pmG in this context (and that's all that his posts seem to be trying to do - tarnish, for no reason, the name of pmG and their campaign)

colkai
02-08-2011, 09:45 AM
Just thought I'd throw up an example of what I mean...

have a look at:
http://www.glamorouslifeswimwear.com

That site may have links that end in .html, but it's all generated by php files...

Indeed, our whole old in-house support system was written this way, all PHP producing "end user" html files.

lino.grandi
02-08-2011, 10:04 AM
That all just seems to be hypocritical and out of character. I'm hoping he'll justify his position because it doesn't seem right to try and sling mud at pmG in this context (and that's all that his posts seem to be trying to do - tarnish, for no reason, the name of pmG and their campaign)

You're crazy to say that. I'm myself a Messiah user....and the last thing I want to do is to "try and sling mud at pmG".

I'm not in the deal....that's all. You see reasons to be in? Do that. I do not, I don't do that. Can I express my opinion on that? Or not?

I don't think I have anything to justify, really.

lino.grandi
02-08-2011, 10:06 AM
I wouldn't:
"**note: Users who purchased version 5 prior to this special opportunity, may receive a credit or refund of the difference in price between the equivalent version purchased, and this special (less any merchant or other applicable fees); depending on, and if the goal is met. " from the website, been there since day one



Sorry, I read it all, but looks like I missed it! Thanks for pointing that.

RudySchneider
02-08-2011, 10:10 AM
Sent my $40, but it looks like they're using a logarithmic scale...

Nicolas Jordan
02-08-2011, 10:19 AM
Status bar moved again. Looks like it's at about 35% now.

OnlineRender
02-08-2011, 10:20 AM
You looked at what exactly? the html that the server has sent to your browser? Viewing source in your browser won't show you server side source code.


width:auto;background-color:#EEEEEE;"><img style="height:25px; width:25%" src="images/ProgressR.png" /><img src="images/ProgressTipC.png" /></td>


thats kinda the big clue there , trust me there is no php driving the code its basic :background image .
if it was drivin by php the divclass would be named , not wrapped .

there is no fancy wizard making this bar go , other than a webadmin .

RebelHill
02-08-2011, 10:21 AM
just watched through the features of the point animation module again...

Even if I end up using it for nothing more than that, and it becomes a $40 point animation plugin for mw current LW pipe... its STILL a god send and worth every penny.

happy happy joy joy.

Lightwolf
02-08-2011, 10:23 AM
width:auto;background-color:#EEEEEE;"><img style="height:25px; width:25%" src="images/ProgressR.png" /><img src="images/ProgressTipC.png" /></td>


thats kinda the big clue there , trust me there is no php driving the code its basic :background image .
if it was drivin by php the divclass would be named , not wrapped .



<img style="height:25px; width:<?php printProgress(); ?>" src="images/ProgressR.png" />

:D

Cheers,
Mike

Phil
02-08-2011, 10:24 AM
You're crazy to say that. I'm myself a Messiah user....and the last thing I want to do is to "try and sling mud at pmG".

I'm not in the deal....that's all. You see reasons to be in? Do that. I do not, I don't do that. Can I express my opinion on that? Or not?

I don't think I have anything to justify, really.

Of course you can. I just wonder why you chose to express your opinion in the way that you did - so negatively - that's why I noted that it seemed out of character.

3DBob
02-08-2011, 10:25 AM
Just lept to 30%

3DBob

lino.grandi
02-08-2011, 10:26 AM
Of course you can. I just wonder why you chose to express your opinion in the way that you did - so negatively - that's why I noted that it seemed out of character.

Sorry, exactly WHEN?

OnlineRender
02-08-2011, 10:30 AM
<img style="height:25px; width:<?php printProgress(); ?>" src="images/ProgressR.png" />

:D

Cheers,
Mike

thats just to pull it to display it no ? anyway who cares the simple matter of the fact is that they still control the bar "not us " :D

iaef
02-08-2011, 10:47 AM
Just wondering if I have lost of something myself. This seems to be a nice calmed and peaceful thread to stay along.

Phil
02-08-2011, 10:47 AM
Sorry, exactly WHEN?

This is the one that caught my eye :

http://newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1109244#post1109244

Since you say you already use messiah, this post then came to mind :

http://newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1109732#post1109732

Following this post, I attempted to show you that pmG address your concerns on their site :

http://newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1109806#post1109806

in :

http://newtek.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1109816&postcount=224


No-one said that you weren't entitled to your opinion. I'm just trying to understand it.

JeffrySG
02-08-2011, 10:51 AM
For the people that use messiah or are familiar with it, can you list any tools or functions that someone might use if they don't really do a lot of animation to begin with (and zero character animation)? I'm really interested to hear if there are any features that someone could use on a model or animation and then bring back into LW? Deformers? Dynamics?, etc... Like people have said, if there are one or two features I could use it would be worth it to get the pro version. Or are there any file exchange / interchange features that are good to have? Can you list the features that might be used this way?
Cheers!

lino.grandi
02-08-2011, 10:53 AM
Again...I didn't express my opinion "so negatively" as you said.

You've been talking about lacking of respect towards PMG...I just expressed my opinion in a very polite way, as I always try to do.

Talc
02-08-2011, 10:56 AM
Thrown my money into the pot aswell :-)

iaef
02-08-2011, 11:02 AM
I have been reading, and you guys are starting to convince me to throw some $40. Let me check what this pmg is all about. :)

meathead
02-08-2011, 11:11 AM
Been looking for a reason to get it.
I still suffer at LW rigging and instancing is difficult. Things I hear Messiah does well.

Worth a shot for $40. Hey if I like it, I will have to buy a few.
Most of us are exactly the people they are trying to reach.

Chris S. (Fez)
02-08-2011, 11:17 AM
I think we need to do what they want and talk about this elsewhere rather than here.

Just racking my brain to think of where I haven't seen the offer already!

Haha. The only places I post are here and the odd post at luxology.

I guess we could be more outgoing and forum-hop for the pmG cause: Frrrrieeeeeend?

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iaef
02-08-2011, 11:40 AM
My suggestion would be deathfall and highend3d forums :)

Larry_g1s
02-08-2011, 11:44 AM
I didn't think Christians gambled, especially the evangelical kind. :eek: ;)ha ha. Ok, maybe I should have used gamble in quotes. :D

m.d.
02-08-2011, 11:49 AM
If the goal is reached, can pmg afford to reimburst the people who paid for messiah a few months back the difference between 40US and 1195US?
If 30 people bought in at 1195 they will get refunded their 1155 each. Thats more than 30k US!!



That is the only real concern to me....
it should give us an idea as to what there target sales would be.... definitely to cover this cost.
It's a changing world though....i think originally the PS3 was being sold at a $300 loss, with sony believing the games sales and market footprint would make up for it.
If PMG covers there refund cost's, adds X amount of users....probably a lot, sells tutorials and upgrades....that could be a big bump in profits for them.

The only negative side to this whole deal (and i already bought in) is that there is no expiry date to the deal....
Right now it's at 30%.....
They should have (for peace of mind of the users) put a definite expiry date on the deal....otherwise....realistically this deal could go on for years...with no refunds given....this would then become a scam...and effectively end there business

I am not suggesting at all they are doing this....but from a new customers standpoint, with no knowledge of there stellar reputation, and in the age of all sorts of internet scams this could be a cause of concern. It could appear that this could be one last ditch effort before closing shop, and at a low enough price to keep people from legal action.

Once again I AM NOT SUGGESTING PMG IS DOING THIS....I have bought in already and have put my money where my mouth is.

OnlineRender
02-08-2011, 11:52 AM
My suggestion would be deathfall and highend3d forums :)

My suggestion would be CGP bound to attract attention , not looked probably already there .

also that was my concern that they have to give back refunds , but for all you know they may have sold 10 seats for Messiah 5 ! hence why the big push in sales .

Pmg will have a target , it will have been calculated right down to the last penny !

cresshead
02-08-2011, 11:59 AM
it's either $10 or $40...i;ve spent more money on a 3 legged horse running in the grand national that has no hope of winning...

your not putting your life savings into this...even if i get nothing back i've had about $40 fun reading the threads/skype messages and facebook comments!

it's a fantastic opportunity for people who are struggling with cash in 2011 to get a leg up into 3d animation with a pretty darn cool app.

lino.grandi
02-08-2011, 12:04 PM
I'm sure the scenario is absolutely "safe".

I really wish the best both for who accepted the deal and for the company.

Just hope this choice is not a bad sign, that's really what worries me.




That is the only real concern to me....
it should give us an idea as to what there target sales would be.... definitely to cover this cost.
It's a changing world though....i think originally the PS3 was being sold at a $300 loss, with sony believing the games sales and market footprint would make up for it.
If PMG covers there refund cost's, adds X amount of users....probably a lot, sells tutorials and upgrades....that could be a big bump in profits for them.

The only negative side to this whole deal (and i already bought in) is that there is no expiry date to the deal....
Right now it's at 30%.....
They should have (for peace of mind of the users) put a definite expiry date on the deal....otherwise....realistically this deal could go on for years...with no refunds given....this would then become a scam...and effectively end there business

I am not suggesting at all they are doing this....but from a new customers standpoint, with no knowledge of there stellar reputation, and in the age of all sorts of internet scams this could be a cause of concern. It could appear that this could be one last ditch effort before closing shop, and at a low enough price to keep people from legal action.

Once again I AM NOT SUGGESTING PMG IS DOING THIS....I have bought in already and have put my money where my mouth is.

Gus 512
02-08-2011, 12:05 PM
http://setuptab.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=a92e48fc77bb11eea45108a3be5f06 46&topic=3164.0
I think you should flood their forum with your everyday good Humour. This will give more excitement to their marketing strategy and also will bring better Argument to PMG to reach their Goal.Faster

Paul Goodrich
02-08-2011, 12:15 PM
OMG the monkey brain takes over. I did the demo when they first came out with the Mac version. There were things I really liked and other things that made me scratch my head. The main deal breaker for me was the overall general bugginess of the Mac version (at the time) and the inability to use my Wacom Cintiq. As I no longer use a mouse this was not an option for me. I had heard that the PC version was better but didn't want to spend a chunk of money on a program that didn't work properly on a Mac and that I'd have either have to boot into Windows or use a virtual machine on. However at $40 a pop, this makes it worth taking a chance on. The main thing that I need is deformers that don't exist in Lightwave. So if I use it just for that (as a plug in) it's well worth the $40. So I put my money where my mouth is and ponied up for 2 Mac and 2 PC (just in case) licenses. Move that bar- darn it! Now somebody shut that monkey brain off, please.

Paul Goodrich

m.d.
02-08-2011, 12:16 PM
yes PMG will have a target...and down to the last penny.

But with no timeline all the talk of refunds is legally open to abuse since it could be 10 years...or never

I am not stating what i think is going on, just pointing out an obvious hole in the legal obligation of PMG. Some one with no scruples, and no fear of losing there reputation could take advantage of this easily,and legally.


I am banking in the fact that this is a good faith deal...and just a plain good deal.

Titus
02-08-2011, 12:20 PM
The only negative side to this whole deal (and i already bought in) is that there is no expiry date to the deal....

Maybe they didn't have too many sales the previous months. I know I have had months with no clients.

I'm in with my $40.

iaef
02-08-2011, 12:23 PM
It is actually at 32% :)

OnlineRender
02-08-2011, 12:28 PM
watch this it will probably be free in 3DWorld next month :D

RebelHill
02-08-2011, 12:34 PM
It could appear that this could be one last ditch effort before closing shop, and at a low enough price to keep people from legal action.

or...

maybe its a community spirited action to give as many folks as possible access to their software before they sell it autodesk and the price gets quadrupled!!


i;ve spent more money on a 3 legged horse running in the grand national that has no hope of winning...

All my money, on sad ken!

Dexter2999
02-08-2011, 12:42 PM
Or say the goal is to raise $500,000 in a month? They accomplish in volume what can't be done with normal pricing...and they make up money with the upgrade fees like eyeon did with $1,000 seats of FUSION.

3DBob
02-08-2011, 12:44 PM
For those wondering how it would ad to their capability.

just a selection.... that you can bake to MDD for use in LW

Lattice deformers
Hair dynamics
Cloth
Point animation
Motion mixing

3DBob