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oliversimonnet
01-26-2011, 10:46 AM
Hey guys, I have a personal issue, and i could only think to ask the Forums for advice.

I have been asked to sign up for my next course at college for next year.
My goal is to do a:

BTEC Level 3 Extended Diploma in interactive media (with games design)
"is a two-year course that specialises in Graphics and Digital Media. It is designed to give an in-depth overview of the specialist area looking at a variety of skills and programmes such as:
Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, Dreamweaver, Typography, Advertising , Illustration, Graphics for TV, Lens-based Image Making, Animation, Traditional Mark-making & Visual Language

But before i can do that i have to do a Level 2 course. I have been recommended by a friend on the Level 3 course, two different Level 2 courses:
they are:

BTEC Level 2 Diploma in Creative Media Production
"The course is based around four areas of study:
Television Production
Web and Graphic Design with Publishing
Radio and Audio Production
Film Production"

BTEC Level 2 Diploma in Art and Design.
"The course is based on practical assignments, giving students the opportunity to develop skills in a range of art and design related areas including: 2D and 3D, Mixed media, Photography, Graphics"

What one do you think will help me in the long run, if i really want a future revolving 3D art. I can only chose one of the 2 above (Art and Design or Creative Media Production) and i don't know what one would be best for me.

BigHache
01-26-2011, 12:35 PM
Bump art. You can always pick up a camera and a paintbrush on your own.

TV production, audio, etc. a little harder to do that with. I'd go with the Creative Media.

oliversimonnet
01-26-2011, 12:52 PM
Thanks for the feed back
I was hoping for some one to say Creative media
Its the one i was going to chose but i wasn't sure if it was the correct choice :)

thanks :)

BigHache
01-26-2011, 12:59 PM
LOL well "correct choice" always depends on the person and what they do with it. Good luck. :thumbsup:

Svenart
01-27-2011, 01:31 AM
BTEC Level 2 Diploma in Art and Design sounds for me better than the other one... a little bit.

You should try to get more informations what precisely you will learn there. "2d" and "graphics" could mean a lot.

oliversimonnet
01-27-2011, 08:52 AM
Im not 100% what the "graphics" is but i know a friend of mine does alot of drawing, life drawing, and they model things out of cardboard and things.

Svenart
01-27-2011, 11:10 AM
photographie, drawing, akt painting, acryl & oilpainting, art theory, color theorie, storyboarding and scribbling would be a good fundament to become a professional 3dartist later. If art & design is teaching this (or parts of it), it could the right thing.

But If you think you already know the basics, and you want to work as a 3dartist specially for movies, tv or ads, maybe the other thing could be the right decision.

btw.. Much more important than the diploma is what you learn, to have good teachers and your will and power to take everything you can with you during this time.

good luck :)

cresshead
01-27-2011, 11:36 AM
go see the college's output from the previous year's classes to get an idea on how good their courses are.

the only thing that matters to99% of employers is your portfolio/showreel bit's of paper are what they use in the smallest room in the house.

i used to teach intro courses on 3d back in 2003-2005 at nottingham and melton colleges.

my best advice is to jump onto any course that will qualify you for student licences of the industry standard apps you'll need to learn and go buy them and have them ready to use at home, having college classes with installs of software will not give you enough hands on time to really get to grips with 3d software, compositing software, editing and alike.

depending on what your ideal job would be i'd go get the media entertainment pak from autodesk that covers maya, 3dsmax, softimage, motion builder and mudbox. as well as the edu versions of photoshop.

all depends on what you want to do...you might want to jump into the cad side of things or web design or 2d animation...product visualistaion, point of sale design [big in leicestershire]

cutting things out of paper/card and painting with real brushes will only lead to a tiny percentage of jobs to look at...you'll have to be exceedingly excellent in that niche area to gain a decent salary.

regards print industry...it's contracting in all sectors people are just not buying the same amount of printed material these days so your future in that sector is a shrinking market with thinner margins for profit....product PACKAGING design is still vibrant though.

web: growing market for sure but not guaranteed to make you rich if your just chopping out images.

TV is..well no one really knows but bbc is shrinking.

learning flash: i'm not certain what's in store for flash...apple seem to want to kill it off on websites though it's widely used currently.

basically the area of media as a whole is going through a few changes, some things will shrink down and others will explode.

developing graphics/games for apps on telephones seems the fastest growing area currently.

gerry_g
01-27-2011, 11:56 AM
Old media is dead, go with new, and as Cress said bits of paper are for wiping your arse on.

cresshead
01-27-2011, 12:08 PM
just to add alot of what you'll learn can cross over from one segment to another..photoshopping images works for print, web, tv, film and games for example

feel free to ask away and well give our biassed views!

Svenart
01-27-2011, 12:13 PM
maybe I have not explained good what I actually mean.

My teacher once told me "everyone can use a 3dprogram and probably render nice or real looking things, but much of them have no idea about art or design." They render nice and real looking things, but there is no message, no emotion, no soul... (dramatized).

A good understanding of all the basics "can" help you to greatly improve your artistic skills.

For example, if you want to model 3dcharacters, its a good thing before to learn about anatomie, in other world life drawing.

If you want to create animations, maybe you should know what a storyboard is, a moodboard or a concept. Know about colors, contrasts, forground/middle/background and dynamic/movement in images... golden cut ect ect ect

All these rules are very important (my opinion). You dont really need them maybe, but they can help you to grow.

or in other words: You must understand the rules of art before you can break them (picasso)

cresshead
01-27-2011, 12:16 PM
re BTEC Level 2 Diploma in Creative Media Production

if that's the same course running at melton college then i'd reccomend tony as i've known him for 25 years, he's really good at the TV stuff.

re radio : it died about 8 years ago...it's a dead industry...audio podcasting on the otherhand is still around but most of the popular audio podcasts have moved over to video based via itunes...so learning "TV" is quite relevent but probably not for any tv channel if you look forward 5-10 years...it'll all be streaming media to a boxey box, apple, tv, xbox mobile phone, pad device etc.

oliversimonnet
01-27-2011, 12:52 PM
Hey guys thanks for all the feed back.

@Svenart: i am good at drawing, when i was little well littler haha, i was always building things out of cardboard and drawing things. so i have that covered. (...Roughtly. hehe)

@Cresshead:
-Thanks for the tip Advice on going out and buying the software to use at home as well as college. (They use Maya at the college) Its all quite expensive tho :(
-what do you mean "feel free to ask away and well give our biased views"? (sorry for my lack of intelligence haha :) )
-Also, im at Stratford Upon-Avon college, im not sure if it is the same course as the Melton college course.

Also i thought i might add.

"...depending on what your ideal job would be..."
I do absolutely love 3D more than anything so probably based around 3D, I do like web design to tho :)

cresshead
01-27-2011, 01:28 PM
Hey guys thanks for all the feed back.

@Svenart: i am good at drawing, when i was little well littler haha, i was always building things out of cardboard and drawing things. so i have that covered. (...Roughtly. hehe)

@Cresshead:
-Thanks for the tip Advice on going out and buying the software to use at home as well as college. (They use Maya at the college) Its all quite expensive tho :(
-what do you mean "feel free to ask away and well give our biased views"? (sorry for my lack of intelligence haha :) )
-Also, im at Stratford Upon-Avon college, im not sure if it is the same course as the Melton college course.

Also i thought i might add.

I do absolutely love 3D more than anything so probably based around 3D, I do like web design to tho :)

it's insanely cheap...:)

http://techstore.escapestudios.co.uk/shop/autodesk-educational-creative-suite-2011-group-students.html

125 you get:
Autodesk 3ds Max,
Autodesk Maya,
Autodesk Softimage.
Autodesk MotionBuilder,
Autodesk Mudbox,
Autodesk Sketchbook Pro,

if you were to buy them for commercial use that's around 12,000 so your paying around 1%.


as for biased view comment, well everyone who writes back does so from their own experiences and points of view so you have to still balance what they say against where you may be yourself in say 3 years time and also where the industry will be in 3 years as well, it's a fluid market always on the move, what was or is HOT today maybe a dead zone in 3 years time or it maybe be REALLY HOT...one thing for sure, things are moving and changing all the time so you have to be open to learn new stuff and move with the times.

oliversimonnet
01-27-2011, 01:37 PM
WOAH that is cheap!
I was looking at the wrong thing earlyer i think haha
i know this dosent really matter i mean its only like 125
but what are the limits there must be some kind of a limit :)

Again thanks for the link

cresshead
01-27-2011, 01:51 PM
WOAH that is cheap!
I was looking at the wrong thing earlyer i think haha
i know this dosent really matter i mean its only like 125
but what are the limits there must be some kind of a limit :)

Again thanks for the link

from the webpage
"All six products have permanent licences."

you CANNOT use this for commercial work, so no money making projects but absolutely perfect to create showreels and portfolios when searching for a job.

also the 125 price tag is not subscription enabled so if you buy today you get 2011 versions that will not timeout but will not be able to be upgraded to 2012 versions when they come out.

oliversimonnet
01-27-2011, 02:02 PM
Aahh ok, so that's what that means :)
Thanks.
I have used Maya before, i don't like it asmuch as LightWave tho, but i will have to learn Maya at some point anyway (college).

Also going back to the original subject, i think i am going to do the:
"BTEC Level 2 Diploma in Creative Media Production" i don't have long to decide, people are already having interviews and i really want to get a place on the course.
I'm hoping to hand in the application tomorrow.

Again thanks.

cresshead
01-27-2011, 02:35 PM
yeh good choice as it covers most types of media and "radio" will give you focus on audio for use in many visual mediums like film, tv and games