View Full Version : anyone use the 10.2.8 update yet?

09-22-2003, 07:51 PM
I know kinda soon, but can anyone report whether 10.2.8 fixed the problems brought on by 10.2.6?


09-22-2003, 08:09 PM
Only brave souls are the first to try these things :)

On the list of fixes there was nothing about OpenGL.

09-22-2003, 08:10 PM
Not to sound like an old ninny, but this topic was already brought up in an existing post. Was it really necessary to start a new thread? Could you not reply to the existing comments? (And now I am exacerbating the problem) :(

09-22-2003, 08:30 PM
well lightwave on my mac was pretty much messed up anyway so i'll try this update. So far so good..not a single freeze on my radeon 8500.. ill keep you uptodate

09-22-2003, 08:42 PM
i had a opengl freeze today, so thought i would give 10.2.8 a go. i can't seem to make it freeze. also there is more screen resolution chooses, so maybe the have updated opengl.

09-22-2003, 09:07 PM
just got a freeze in modeler with 10.2.8. i guess it was opengl related.

09-22-2003, 10:10 PM
I predict the bug wont be fixed until after panther is released. Wouldnt it be good if somehow we could update ro 10.2.8 BUT downgrade the ATI drivers to the version from 10.2.4...Hmmmmmm....

09-22-2003, 10:47 PM
Haven't got 10.2.8?

Here, you have to have Photoshop to use this, but take a peek at Panther!
Raise it to 100% then hit tab, f, f.
It's 1600 x 1200, so if you have a monitor smaller than that, it will scroll around.

Just hold CMD, and drag the windows around! Wow, it's just like having Panther! (Without freezing bugs :) ).
Enjoy! (Wish I had a pic of LW 8 for it! ;) )


It's also a .sit.zip file, to get it as small as possible. (Also so I can post it. It's 880k.)

09-22-2003, 10:48 PM
I've been wonderring if Apple gives discounts on OSX upgrades if you own an earlier version of OSX? With all the upgrades they've had in the two years it could become an expensive OS if you upgrade everytime.

09-23-2003, 12:09 AM
i trashed my lw pref and the freezing has seemed to go away. my machine was freezing every 5 mins under 10.2.8 using modeler. i suspect it was hub pref? cross fingers, no more freezes.

Darth Mole
09-23-2003, 01:10 AM
Where are you guys getting 10.2.8 from? I can't see it in my update panel.

(edit) Ah - not G5 compatible. No wonder.

09-23-2003, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by Darth Mole
I can't see it in my [G5] update panel. Hey Darth, are you trying to make us jealous? ;)

Now we have a split in the OS X roadmap. OS-10.2.7 for the G5. OS-10.2.8 for the G4.

09-23-2003, 04:07 AM

they only charged for the jump from 10.1.x to 10.2.x, not for the incremental upgrades. just as well really.

09-23-2003, 04:17 AM
I just updated to 10.2.8.. Had a crash every 5 minutes.. now, after the update, I was not able to crash it for now! But I haven't tested it for half an hour yet..

Did some extensive zooming, rotating and moving in perspective view,

did some mass booleans!

used some high poly models

nothing yet..

Trashing the prefs! that's a good idea!

but as long as no crash occurs.. I will do just nothing!

09-23-2003, 04:53 AM
I have uptated my system from 10,26 to 10,28... and the bug seem be go away

My pointer is now stopped by the edges of the screen... In 10,26 he regulary go out of the screen ...

I hope the nightmare is finish....

Be back on my 10,28 partition with all my programs...

09-23-2003, 07:05 AM
Thats great news! Thank you Apple for taking care of ATI's stubid driver issue.

I am upgrading to 10.2.8 now.

09-23-2003, 07:19 AM
Everyone should not be so hasty, like the update mentions nothing about Open GL. All who have updated get us a ATI open gl revision version number please. (system profiler)

09-23-2003, 07:43 AM
The version no. on the ATI kext files is 1.2.26 with a modified date of 10 september 2003. the OpenGl framework was also modified on that date, if that helps anyone.

09-23-2003, 07:47 AM
I have read that there is some other problems on e-mac and i-mac with this update... (i have a powermac)...

Be care if you have an e-mac or i-mac...

09-23-2003, 08:19 AM
Updating now..If i ghet the crash I will be very mad thus wont return here until im calm...

09-23-2003, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by riki
I've been wonderring if Apple gives discounts on OSX upgrades if you own an earlier version of OSX? With all the upgrades they've had in the two years it could become an expensive OS if you upgrade everytime.

Unfortunately the system Apple (and M$) uses is to charge for a System update on an annual-ish basis, if a release is made. The $129 upgrade usually includes significant feature enhancements above and beyond the downloadables, but you don't get a discount unless you purchase a new machine or the previous version within 90 days of release.

And in light of other annual (or semi-annual) upgrades, $129 is pretty cheap.

09-23-2003, 08:36 AM
I'm scheduled for an October 24 delivery date of my G5. It'd be nice if I got upgraded to Panther, but if I don't, I don't feel cheated by having to pay for it.

the development money has to come from somewhere, and I don't feel that it's outlandish that the users of OSX are the ones paying for its development.

So far, since 2000, I have paid for the public beta, for 10.1, and for Jaguar. Maybe just a bit under $200 total for an OSX that has made me more productive, and I haven't even tapped all of the power yet.

good deal.


09-23-2003, 08:56 AM
ok, been testing this a lot now and I can say that the bug is still there, sad but true. So don't update. I have to downgrade again... I hate this!

09-23-2003, 09:05 AM
Just updated - -FARK!

09-23-2003, 12:05 PM
Ade.. What did you said about not being too hasty?? :D

But no.. actually it not for laughing..

I'm still busy testing it, and no bugs for now!! Previously it was every 5 minutes!

Now allready half an hour modeling and no problems..

I must mention.. I do press 's' a lot.. In case of..

actually I press 's' for every f*cking new poly I create.. What a madness.. But you will see, when I create a lot and do not save once in a while.. The bug will come and bite me!! I think it's an intelligent bug... :rolleyes:

09-23-2003, 12:43 PM
yep.. tested it!


09-23-2003, 02:13 PM
Well...just updated to 10.2.8 and the crash occured doing the same "make a fan" i outlined in previous post.


So, don't bother updating if you already haven't.

09-23-2003, 03:19 PM
Still have the bug too

09-23-2003, 04:17 PM
10.2.8 has been removed from the Apple server, guess it caused too many problems.

09-23-2003, 04:24 PM
hmmm... the only problem is still the same old ATI bug for me.

10.2.8 did fix one noticeable thing for me tho.
Last version I couldn't access the system prefs from the apple menu, now I can.

09-23-2003, 04:49 PM
If one installs 10.2.8 and has a bad experience, is it possible to un-install it and go back to the previous, or even earlier version of OSX?

I'd heard that that was one of the wonders of OSX..that you could uninstall OS versions without having to wipe the drive and start all over again..


09-23-2003, 05:44 PM
Apple just pulled the update... ethernet problems:


09-23-2003, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Johnny
If one installs 10.2.8 and has a bad experience, is it possible to un-install it and go back to the previous, or even earlier version of OSX?

I'd heard that that was one of the wonders of OSX..that you could uninstall OS versions without having to wipe the drive and start all over again..


You would need to do an archive and install of 10.2 then update it to the version that you want to use. You'll have to reinstall 3rd party drivers I think. I did the procedure not to long ago and it wasn't too traumatizing. I suppose you could also use a backup utility to make copy of your system, I haven't tried that. If you haven't installed 10.2.8 I would say to avoid it for now. Messed up a couple things for me.

09-23-2003, 06:47 PM
Seriously peeps should buy one of these 120 Gb external Firewire HD, and backup your entire system .

09-23-2003, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Beamtracer
Only brave souls are the first to try these things :)

Originally posted by dmg3d
Apple just pulled the update... ethernet problems:


09-24-2003, 12:19 AM
I've already installed it!! lol!

I'm serious too, I installed it before I saw the thread!

(And I thought 10.2.8 was Panther? What happened?)

Jimzip :D

09-24-2003, 03:26 AM
Can't say i've much Ethernet problems yet, been pumping Gigs of data from OSX to our WinXP driven Avids for two days now...

You'd think that with such a small amount of computer setups they would be able to get ONE update right once in the first go, wouldn't you?

09-24-2003, 08:53 AM

09-24-2003, 11:03 AM
Ethernet problems involve 10bT, not 100 or gigabit, so if you are running at 100-bT across the board you are fine. There may be other problems, so everyone look for 10.2.9 :)

Oh, and it's sitting on my iBook too, so I can commiserate. :(

09-24-2003, 01:15 PM

this will teach me to install updates right when they come off the line. Luckily no issues so far....Airport appears to be running fine.

jeez...what's up with Apple lately...yeesh...

09-24-2003, 01:18 PM
seems that all of the X updates have had one issue or the other. I think we'd all agree that the sweet spots were:

10.1.5 and 10.2.4

Others have left some people with some problems some times.

My biggest issue with 10.2.6 is the dadgum beach ball! I'm seeing it more than anytime since before 10.1.4!

09-26-2003, 10:22 AM
i saw one beachball in beamtracer too!!!:cool:

09-26-2003, 11:04 AM
... dadgum ... :p

09-27-2003, 11:59 PM
Well. I've had a few freezes now. All when trying to open an object file, not rotating or anything. I tried about three times just to make sure, and I thought it could just have been that object file, but then I installed OS 10.2.1 on my other HD and the object loads fine.
Damn ATi, when I save up enough, (and I'm almost there!!!) I'll be heading over to Nvidia unless I hear some good causes why not. (I.e, ATI announces they will support Mac OS... Yeah.. Like that's gonna happen.)

Jimzip :D

P.S, I installed 10.2.1 on my other HD, and I'm booting from that to use LightWave now! Heh heh, always another way...

09-29-2003, 02:02 AM
I just saw the thread about ATi:


Thank the lord, I was wondering when my three e-mails were going to get read!! :D
Now I will have speed and stability again!

Jimzip :D

P.S, Thank you Turbo very much too! (Also Ade if he's reading this!) and every other Mac user here that helped.

09-29-2003, 04:04 AM
its nice to be thanked.. we did put a lot of time in to getting them to acknowledge the problem.

.. but all we know so far is that they do acknowledge it.

How much longer will the fix take tho.. ?
I still am in "I'll believe it when I see it" mode... :p

09-29-2003, 04:25 AM
I just hope they learn something from all this, so we don't have another ATI / openGL problem somewhere els.

09-29-2003, 09:49 PM
A company that provides to various audiences should keep in touch with all of them, so that their product doesn't slip. Hey, in the end it's them that will lose money, not us. (Unless we bought the product, in which case.. Eh, you get the hint!)

Jimzip :D