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raw-m
04-21-2010, 04:27 AM
I've recently gone freelance which unfortunately means I'm now looking at having to buy a full copy of CS5 for myself (I think going 64 bit probably makes it worthwhile). I'm looking at the Master Collection - important to keep my options open these days!

Putting aside the anger that Europe has to pay about £600 more than the rest of the World (grrrr!) anyone seen any good offers?

Amazon's price is £70 less that Adobe for starters.

biliousfrog
04-21-2010, 04:42 AM
I'll be buying my upgrade from the US, probably Toolfarm (http://toolfarm.stores.yahoo.net/adobeproducts.html), although I stupidly forgot that I'd need to upgrade all of my plugins too so I might not bother unless Adobe will allow me to run CS3 + the CS5 upgrade...which I know they won't.

I bought CS3 from a local company (which I didn't discover until I'd bought it) but they seem to have disappeared. I paid just under £1k for the production premium set 3 months after it was released.

raw-m
04-21-2010, 04:47 AM
I've heard there's some sort of region detection that prevents you registering if you're in a location that differs from the one you bought it in?

biliousfrog
04-21-2010, 05:03 AM
I know several people in the UK that have used Toolfarm, the software is exactly the same unless they've radically changed something. The only restriction used to be that you aren't entitled to support outside of the country it was purchased from but my only encounter with support involved a helpful guy telling me to search the Adobe forums!

raw-m
04-21-2010, 05:10 AM
Wow, that's £1000 off! I'll keep an eye out after release date just in case something has changed (it's a lot of money to gamble with!). Big thanks.

Red_Oddity
04-21-2010, 06:42 AM
Should we upgrade ,we will buy our Adobe bundles in the US next time, the prices in the EU are a complete rip off.

You are allowed to buy in the US and activate in the EU, only difference is you won't get support (as if their support ever helped anyone)

For example,

CS5 Design Premium bundle bought in Adobe US online store: 1899 USD = 1414 EUR
CS5 Design Premium bundle bought in Adobe NL online store: 2735 EUR = 3672 USD (localized version)
CS5 Design Premium bundle bought in Adobe NL online store: 2259 EUR = 3033 USD (english version)

Will all Adobe EU customers please lube up and bend over?

Matt
04-21-2010, 07:02 AM
Piratebay! :D

Okay, that was a joke!

Dodgy
04-21-2010, 07:09 AM
It is ridiculous. Back when it was $2=1pound, it was still $600 in the US and 600 pounds. You paid twice as much for living in the UK.

OnlineRender
04-21-2010, 07:14 AM
Piratebay! :D

Okay, that was a joke!

meh ! (o_0) piratebay trackers are always corrupt ! & new isp laws in UK going to change that !

If I was in the position to get C$5 which sadly I'm not ,and looks "Uber" , I would wait 3 months if I could ! best advice I have .

3dworks
04-21-2010, 07:40 AM
a good tip for anyone upgrading from older CS or PS versions is to watch out for CS4 upgrades right now. adobe already officially is supporting free upgrades to CS5 during a so-called grace period - which means buy CS4 and get CS5 for free when released. big resellers are promoting those old upgrades for stock clearance reasons, so have a look... i did so myself and it was about 30% cheaper than buying the direct upgrade.

cheers

markus

dsol
04-21-2010, 08:33 AM
a good tip for anyone upgrading from older CS or PS versions is to watch out for CS4 upgrades right now. adobe already officially is supporting free upgrades to CS5 during a so-called grace period - which means buy CS4 and get CS5 for free when released. big resellers are promoting those old upgrades for stock clearance reasons, so have a look... i did so myself and it was about 30% cheaper than buying the direct upgrade.

cheers

markus

I did this to get the Design Premium collection at a semi-reasonable price. I bought the CS2 version from Amazon, then got a free upgrade to CS3. Adobe really weren't very happy to do it though, as the copy I got from Amazon (UK) from a reseller turned out to be a US edition. Took a lot of calls between Adobe US and UK to get it agreed on.

Markus - any idea how long the grace period is from/til?

warmiak
04-21-2010, 09:22 AM
Should we upgrade ,we will buy our Adobe bundles in the US next time, the prices in the EU are a complete rip off.

You are allowed to buy in the US and activate in the EU, only difference is you won't get support (as if their support ever helped anyone)

For example,

CS5 Design Premium bundle bought in Adobe US online store: 1899 USD = 1414 EUR
CS5 Design Premium bundle bought in Adobe NL online store: 2735 EUR = 3672 USD (localized version)
CS5 Design Premium bundle bought in Adobe NL online store: 2259 EUR = 3033 USD (english version)

Will all Adobe EU customers please lube up and bend over?

Just about everything is more expensive in Europe ... hardware, software , food , cars etc ...

Unless you believe that there is some sort of global conspiracy where everyone around the world is attempting to majorly rip off Europeans, perhaps you should look to your own politicians and ultimately yourself to figure out why it is so much more expensive to do business in Europe.

dsol
04-21-2010, 10:17 AM
Just about everything is more expensive in Europe ... hardware, software , food , cars etc ...

Unless you believe that there is some sort of global conspiracy where everyone around the world is attempting to majorly rip off Europeans, perhaps you should look to your own politicians and ultimately yourself to figure out why it is so much more expensive to do business in Europe.

One perceived reason why US prices seem much cheaper is sales tax is almost never included in the ticket price over there. In the UK, VAT is 17.5% and almost always included in the price. There's still a significant discrepancy between the prices though even taking that into account.

I can understand there being localisation costs for non-english speaking countries, but it really irks me as a Brit that I have to pay a markup. There's literally no difference in the product!

Red_Oddity
04-21-2010, 10:24 AM
Well, it's a nice excuse to fly to the US for a long weekend, stock up on software and have a nice weekend to boot, and even with flight, hotel and restaurant costs, the US version is still cheaper than buying locally, which is rather odd, even when sales taxes are included.

npix
04-21-2010, 10:29 AM
Should we upgrade ,we will buy our Adobe bundles in the US next time, the prices in the EU are a complete rip off.

You are allowed to buy in the US and activate in the EU, only difference is you won't get support (as if their support ever helped anyone)

For example,

CS5 Design Premium bundle bought in Adobe US online store: 1899 USD = 1414 EUR
CS5 Design Premium bundle bought in Adobe NL online store: 2735 EUR = 3672 USD (localized version)
CS5 Design Premium bundle bought in Adobe NL online store: 2259 EUR = 3033 USD (english version)

Will all Adobe EU customers please lube up and bend over?

Just cant see why I should pay more for a digital download of a program like Sketchbook, it's a world marketplace now, just my 2 cents worth, sorry forgot I'm in UK 50 cents worth! pass the lube...

warmiak
04-21-2010, 10:41 AM
One perceived reason why US prices seem much cheaper is sales tax is almost never included in the ticket price over there. In the UK, VAT is 17.5% and almost always included in the price. There's still a significant discrepancy between the prices though even taking that into account.

It is not entirely true .. over here you can often buy stuff without paying any taxes if you get it over the net from a company which has no presence in your state.




I can understand there being localisation costs for non-english speaking countries, but it really irks me as a Brit that I have to pay a markup. There's literally no difference in the product!

As far as localization costs .. I doubt there is much difference since more often than not , a typical piece of merchandise bought in the states already comes with a multilingual brochure or a manual.

biliousfrog
04-21-2010, 10:41 AM
The reasons that Adobe give for the price differences are just laughable, such as localized language versions (since when was 'grey' spelled 'gray' in the UK?)

There's also absolutely no reason why a product should cost more to sell to a european than a US citizen when it's coming from the same server...or why it should cost the same to download as buy a hard copy when there's no printing, manufacturing or shipping costs involved.

dsol
04-21-2010, 10:48 AM
perhaps you should look to your own politicians and ultimately yourself to figure out why it is so much more expensive to do business in Europe.

There's a simple solution - we just get everyone in Europe to speak (US) English. No more Localisation excuse then! I'm sure the French wouldn't complain ;) (JOKE!)

But seriously, the US isn't that much cheaper than Europe. Food costs the same (there's just more "cheap" restaurants there - and most of the supermarkets seem to only stock junk food). Petrol (Gasoline) costs way more, but that's for political reasons rather than out of scarcity (Europe has far more extensive public transport networks). But this is just derailing the thread. Suffice to say, there are political reasons why US prices can be lower for certain products. But historically, US companies have charged disproportionately more in the UK, particularly for computer hardware and software. Commodore used to make pots of money over here by deliberately adopting this policy (as described in the excellent book "On the Edge").

Matt
04-21-2010, 11:12 AM
& new isp laws in UK going to change that!

Yeah they rail roaded that one through didn't they. Lobbied much Mr. MP?

Intuition
04-21-2010, 11:44 AM
It is ridiculous. Back when it was $2=1pound, it was still $600 in the US and 600 pounds. You paid twice as much for living in the UK.

Back when the macpro went 8 core I kept hearing this urban myth about people in the UK finding a way to order mac pros from the USA in a round about way. Even with the shipping it was far less then ordering directly from the UK.

Not sure how true this is though.

cresshead
04-21-2010, 04:46 PM
it's quite a hideous idea for download software installer package in english to cost double for uk english against american's who download it for half the price for the very same downloaded installer.

warmiak
04-21-2010, 09:04 PM
:agree: Software should cost the same for everyone around the world - especially if it is only a download!

Why ?

It is entirely plausible that someone dowloading software from a country with an extensive framework of so called "consumer rights" could end up causing a lot of trouble for the seller - after all with every additional "right" bestowed upon you ( presumably for your own good) , the cost of doing business goes up which in turn tends to be reflected in prices.

There are no free lunches.

warmiak
04-21-2010, 09:08 PM
That's not really true. It IS what happens, but if States decide to ENFORCE the tax laws, this "loophole" will be eliminated.



He he he .... :-)

geothefaust
04-21-2010, 09:13 PM
Hey Megalodon. :)


Man, I agree with you quite often. But you let ******* like warmiak goad you into these spats. He's a real piece of work that I flat out ignore. Know what I'm sayin'? Let's keep it real brother! He's not worth it.

warmiak
04-21-2010, 09:26 PM
What are you talking about?

WHY... should downloaded software (for example) in Britain cost DOUBLE what it does here in the States? What do "free lunches" have to do with that?

Cause if that software fucks up your computer and in your country you have legal options to seek compensation , legal options which potentially override any kind of agreement between you and the company in question....it makes a lot of difference.

In other words, if in one country you are legally entitled to, say $10 000 for your "pain and suffering" due to malfunctioning software, and in some other place it is just between you and the company.... from the company point of view the cost of selling the same piece software would be considered different for both locations.

It is simply common sense.

warmiak
04-21-2010, 09:42 PM
Hey Megalodon. :)
He's a real piece of work that I flat out ignore.

Ignore me then .. why bother trespassing discussion topics which you either don't understand or have nothing to add to ?

warmiak
04-21-2010, 09:52 PM
Perhaps it is your inability to express your point in a coherent manner?

Perhaps ... although I lean in the direction of you not having a clue how much does it take for a typical business to comply with various "consumer friendly" regulations and laws.

In other words, while your rights as a consumer may seem to you an example of a perfect "free lunch", it isn't so ...

warmiak
04-21-2010, 10:24 PM
Of course you would. :)

Whatever man , I don't have any beef with you or anything ...

I just replied to your post pointing out that it is quite unrealistic to expect downloadable software to cost the same for everyone as long as people live under different legal frameworks ….

All of a sudden I found myself attacked (by some guy I don’t even know) for … I am not exactly sure for what … I guess for daring to disagree with your point.

Chris S. (Fez)
04-21-2010, 11:41 PM
I just replied to your post pointing out that it is quite unrealistic to expect downloadable software to cost the same for everyone as long as people live under different legal frameworks ….


Makes sense to me. Though I suspect the higher price is due to a contrived "monopoly" on the market ...like $5 soft drinks in theaters.

npix
04-22-2010, 11:54 AM
Why ?

It is entirely plausible that someone dowloading software from a country with an extensive framework of so called "consumer rights" could end up causing a lot of trouble for the seller - after all with every additional "right" bestowed upon you ( presumably for your own good) , the cost of doing business goes up which in turn tends to be reflected in prices.

There are no free lunches.

Piffle!

dsol
04-22-2010, 12:06 PM
Cause if that software fucks up your computer and in your country you have legal options to seek compensation , legal options which potentially override any kind of agreement between you and the company in question....it makes a lot of difference.

In other words, if in one country you are legally entitled to, say $10 000 for your "pain and suffering" due to malfunctioning software, and in some other place it is just between you and the company.... from the company point of view the cost of selling the same piece software would be considered different for both locations.

It is simply common sense.

Hmmm.... and the US isn't a litigious society now, is it? ;) Consumer protection laws have little to nothing to do with the US/UK pricing debacle.

Property prices drive up costs in the UK/Europe (more people in a smaller space!). Business rates and taxes tend to be higher too. But not TWICE as expensive.

Anyway, I shouldn't feed the troll :)

warmiak
04-22-2010, 01:05 PM
Hmmm.... and the US isn't a litigious society now, is it? ;) Consumer protection laws have little to nothing to do with the US/UK pricing debacle.

Property prices drive up costs in the UK/Europe (more people in a smaller space!). Business rates and taxes tend to be higher too. But not TWICE as expensive.

Anyway, I shouldn't feed the troll :)


I merely replied to Megalodon's assertion that all downloadable software should be priced the same for everyone ... I never implied that consumer protection laws were responsible for Adobe's pricing schemes.

Read before you post.

warmiak
04-22-2010, 01:11 PM
Piffle!

You wish.

gerry_g
04-22-2010, 01:25 PM
There's an old adage regarding ones choices in life to the effect that when it comes down to it you only ever get two, the first is "what you want in life" and the second is "your excuse for not having what you want". All you have to do is choose, beefing about it is kind of a waste of time, life is and always has been total unfair.

JBT27
04-22-2010, 01:46 PM
There's an old adage regarding ones choices in life to the effect that when it comes down to it you only ever get two, the first is "what you want in life" and the second is "your excuse for not having what you want". All you have to do is choose, beefing about it is kind of a waste of time, life is and always has been total unfair.

Hmm ..... but only because not enough people in authority stand up to the corporates and ask them really why they are charging these obscene price differences.

Adobe are the rip-off and greed merchants here, no-one else. On the one hand you have hordes of limp-wristed pin-stripes babbling on about the worldwide media marketplace blah blah, and on the other, vampires like Adobe milking it for all it's worth, because no-one can or will stand up to them.

Worldwide availability from Adobe's servers for the dollar price that Adobe reckon; whatever country you're in will charge you the converted amount - that's as fair as it could get, and easy.

Ain't going to happen of course, but it could and should - but then you're right: life is not fair, or rather some people don't play fair.

Julian.

Lightwolf
04-22-2010, 04:21 PM
Why ?

It is entirely plausible that someone dowloading software from a country with an extensive framework of so called "consumer rights" could end up causing a lot of trouble for the seller - after all with every additional "right" bestowed upon you ( presumably for your own good), the cost of doing business goes up which in turn tends to be reflected in prices.

There are no free lunches.
But then it would need to be more expensive in the US to make up for the potential losses in lawsuits ;)
In many cases the cost of business can be lower if you have a set of laws to follow (as opposed to hiring lawyers to make up your own). Obviously, importing your national laws across borders ain't gonna work (which is why a lot of EULAs originating from other countries are void over here) - but is attempted often enough.

Cheers,
Mike

raw-m
04-30-2010, 09:41 AM
FYI, just got in touch with Toolfarm and they have told be there is no activating issues buying from the US and using in the UK, although couldn't guarantee UK Adobe phone support (who needs that? Haven't they heard of the internet.... :-))

biliousfrog
04-30-2010, 09:48 AM
FYI, just got in touch with Toolfarm and they have told be there is no activating issues buying from the US and using in the UK, although couldn't guarantee UK Adobe phone support (who needs that? Haven't they heard of the internet.... :-))

...they'll just go through the Adobe forums for answers anyway or, in my case, tell you to look yourself.