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erikals
03-25-2010, 08:47 AM
didn't notice, a new Canon cam is out http://erikalstad.com/backup/anims.php_files/smile.gif

Canon EOS 550D sample video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f7l-Z4NF70

gordonrobb
03-25-2010, 08:55 AM
Got mine a couple of weeks ago. Its a great camera. Hop over to Vimeo and search, there are some really good examples of what it can do. Full HD at 24,25 and 30 fps, 720P at 50 and 50fps. Awesome.

SonicMotion
03-25-2010, 08:59 AM
I got mine about 3 weeks ago too. Its a great camera for the price, but if you look at the video full rez and straight out of the camera, its soft.

Here is a focus chart image from the 7d:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=41220

Basically, its a great home video and a decent still picture camera.

gordonrobb
03-25-2010, 09:06 AM
Sure, compared to a Red, it's not as good, but I think it is more than a good home video. It is for sure not as good a stills camera as the 7D.

erikals
03-25-2010, 09:06 AM
true, could be better, but it looks to be good enough for TV commercials, which is pretty cool, considering the price...


wonder, does it have the rolling shutter issue like the 7D...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp_65IQ9U-Q

or must a fix be used, done in post,...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITkLwVgxo98

gordonrobb
03-25-2010, 09:08 AM
It has virtually the same chip as the 7D, so the rolling shutter is as good as the same.

SonicMotion
03-25-2010, 09:10 AM
I've already shot a wedding video with it, and I'm filming some fire elements with it tonight for a composite. I think its great for that, but I would be very hesitant to film anything on it that would be seen at 1080p. If its for a video that will be compressed and put on the web or even DVD its perfect.

And yes it has the same rolling shutter issue, I believe that The Foundry has an after effects plugin to help fix that.

http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/pkg_overview.aspx?ui=47C4AB50-4636-4326-87D1-FB380B2119EF

Just watched your link erikals. Sorry to double post.

gordonrobb
03-25-2010, 09:11 AM
Ah, I see what you mean. Would be interested to see actual 1080P output to Bluray on it.

erikals
03-25-2010, 09:12 AM
...but I would be very hesitant to film anything on it that would be seen at 1080p

because of flickering or compression ?

SonicMotion
03-25-2010, 09:16 AM
Compression and its soft at full rez, see the attached pic from a wedding video I shot just a few weeks ago.

The softness isn't the lens. Thats would have perfect focus as a raw image.

biliousfrog
03-25-2010, 09:25 AM
All CMOS cameras suffer from rolling shutter, even the RED, it's how they capture the image (from top to bottom).

Does the 550 (and 7d) have any improvements with the focussing and aperture? The 500d and 5d mk2 are useless at auto focussing, even with L lenses, I stick with manual. I also use the lens uncoupling trick to lock the aperture because they're locked to auto mode which is a pain.

gordonrobb
03-25-2010, 09:32 AM
The 550 has manual control of app and shutter (or auto), but auto focus is rubbish. Manual is good though.

SonicMotion
03-25-2010, 09:33 AM
No, both the 7d and 550 have the same issues with autofocusing.

For some reason I haven't noticed the rolling shutter with the RED. I shoot on it just about everyday. Maybe I just haven't been paying attention.

What's the lens uncoupling trick?

erikals
03-25-2010, 09:50 AM
Compression and its soft at full rez, see the attached pic from a wedding video I shot just a few weeks ago.

The softness isn't the lens. Thats would have perfect focus as a raw image.

hm, that's kinda blurry, and post fixes have their limitations...
(the best i could do...)

SonicMotion
03-25-2010, 09:54 AM
Thats a ton better, but you're right you can only do so much. Like I said, it looks great when you compress it down, but full size its kind of soft and almost unusable.

Liber777
03-25-2010, 10:01 AM
hm, that's kinda blurry, and post fixes have their limitations...
(the best i could do...)

I prefer the softer image over the sharpening artifacts. It also looks like there's some in-camera sharpening already going on? It's most noticeable along the right edge of her dress.

erikals
03-25-2010, 10:13 AM
there are methods to getting rid of the worst artifacts, don't have the plugin though, it's part of the Topaz Enhance package (http://www.topazlabs.com/enhance/)

the smaller artifacts will be removed as the video is "interpolated" "enhanced" because of each frame in the video is different.
it's a matter of tweaking,...


but it still goes of course, blurry stuff with artifacts is tricky to deal with.
need to check the MKII again.

biliousfrog
03-25-2010, 01:50 PM
To fix the aperture and ISO settings when shooting video, set the camera to aperture priority and adjust it to suit, uncouple the lens just enough to stop the contacts working, set the camera to video and shoot away. You'll get a warning message about no lens attached but it'll still work...and no auto focus but you'll probably use manual anyway. ;)

erikals
03-25-2010, 02:14 PM
heh, cool trick! :]

realgray
03-25-2010, 03:09 PM
The t2i is going to be in the next round of Film vs. HDDSLR tests. Really cool stuff

http://www.zacuto.com/

gordonrobb
03-25-2010, 03:17 PM
To fix the aperture and ISO settings when shooting video, set the camera to aperture priority and adjust it to suit, uncouple the lens just enough to stop the contacts working, set the camera to video and shoot away. You'll get a warning message about no lens attached but it'll still work...and no auto focus but you'll probably use manual anyway. ;)

Tis a neat trick, but you don't need to do it with this canon. As you have a manual setting for apperture, iso and shutter speed in video.

erikals
03-25-2010, 04:02 PM
The t2i is going to be in the next round of Film vs. HDDSLR tests. Really cool stuff

http://www.zacuto.com/

now that was a GREAT test :]
thanks for the link :]

RebelHill
03-25-2010, 04:09 PM
I picked up my dslr a couple months back... I did want the video function, but it was primarily for stills. I tested out the video on the 7D, and 5Dmk2...

5D didnt suffer as much from the softening as the 7...

But being previously a nikon owner (many years of love with the F5)... I of course ended up going for the D300...

Interesting thing is, even though it only shoots movie at 720, not 1080... the result was sharper than either of the canons...

The REALLY interesting thing is that when the footage straight from the camera is brought into AE... AE identifies the canon video as H264... but says the nikon video is Uncompressed (which seems nuts, cos I dont see how it can be with the amount of space it takes up)... so still trying to figure that one out.

But whatever the answer... i was quite happy.

erikals
03-25-2010, 04:37 PM
the cameras are quite interesting, the next jump is probably the RED "light" camera coming out.

RED Scarlet, release date, summer 2010.
starts at $4000 or so. (body $2500, lens $1500) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbXMKcHV4wY)

realgray
03-25-2010, 05:12 PM
The tough thing about the red scarlet is that it's going to be another 2/3" sensor, like the Sony ex1 and 3. (which require adaptors) You won't be able to get the shallow DOF you can with current HDDSLR's.

stated at 6:25, Scarlet hands on
(http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/1018)

In exchange for DOF will most likely get a more robust codec and less rolling shutter. I'm personally loving the t2i right now and waiting to spend the bigger bucks on what replaces the 5D. I think Canon is smart enough to realize they are on to something.

radams
03-25-2010, 05:46 PM
Just a quick correction in regards to the RED Scarlet.
Scarlet will have the options for three different sensors...two of which are larger and will have the DOF...only the very low end will use the 2/3" chip.

Also to note that the Nikon DSLR using motion jpeg to record vs H264 that the Canon uses.

Hope there will be improvements to all in the near future.

Cheers,

realgray
03-25-2010, 05:51 PM
Sweet, I didn't know about the options on chips. It will be interesting to see what Canon has out when Scarlet arrives. I wonder what Sony/Panasonic are up to?

Red_Oddity
03-26-2010, 02:31 AM
Just a quick correction in regards to the RED Scarlet.
Scarlet will have the options for three different sensors...two of which are larger and will have the DOF...only the very low end will use the 2/3" chip.

Also to note that the Nikon DSLR using motion jpeg to record vs H264 that the Canon uses.

Hope there will be improvements to all in the near future.

Cheers,

And to add further, the Scarlet has the option to attach lenses build for other cameras with the use of interchangeable lens mounts (from Red themselves), so no need to buy new lenses.

erikals
03-26-2010, 03:06 AM
And to add further, the Scarlet has the option to attach lenses build for other cameras with the use of interchangeable lens mounts (from Red themselves), so no need to buy new lenses.

damn, i never thought of that, so i can attach a Canon lens to the Scarlet?
that'd be supersweet. buying the Scarlet body for $2500 would probably be a steal.

gordonrobb
03-26-2010, 03:10 AM
Thought this was a thread about the Canon 550D (a camera that is sub $800). Not sure that I would ever think to compare it to a camera that you can get for $2500 (steal or not).

erikals
03-26-2010, 04:04 AM
the thread evolves :]

the conclusion to 550D, not sure, but it looks like it is basically the same as the 7D?
if so, it's pretty cool as it is almost half the price. and it shoots 30fps in 1080p, unlike the 500D, which is only 20fps.

it's too bad about the blur though. i wish there was a way to remove that, or an alternative.
(without doing it in post, which has its limits)

biliousfrog
03-26-2010, 04:30 AM
...and people complained that 30fps didn't have the 'softness' of film ;)

SonicMotion
03-26-2010, 09:12 AM
the thread evolves :]

the conclusion to 550D, not sure, but it looks like it is basically the same as the 7D?
if so, it's pretty cool as it is almost half the price. and it shoots 30fps in 1080p, unlike the 500D, which is only 20fps.

it's too bad about the blur though. i wish there was a way to remove that, or an alternative.
(without doing it in post, which has its limits)

The 550 has one huge advantage over the 7d - SD cards. With the compaq flash memory that the 7d uses, you are limited to a 2 gig video clip. Once you hit that limit the camera stops recording.

With an SD card you're not limited to a 2 gig file limit. Very handy for weddings or presentations.

My conclusion on the camera - can't beat it for the price.

JBT27
03-28-2010, 05:24 AM
So I'm wondering as a SD camera substitute, is this a viable option, particularly for short films that require only short live-action clips, where the rest is cgi and motion graphics? On the surface it would seem so.

We have a job coming up, which we would have wheeled out the old XL1s for ..... but having read this, I'm seriously wondering if a moderate spend on at least a 550D body would be worthwhile, plus maybe The Foundry RollingShutter plugin at around 330. We've got a few Canon EF lenses already that we use with our 20D.

How significant is the rolling shutter distortion, or is that the piece of string question?! I'm seeing plenty of demos that look pretty good, with people moving about, etc., that don't seem to suffer from it ..... unless there's been some correction.

Julian.

erikals
03-28-2010, 07:31 AM
the rolling shutter distortion is quite noticeable,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMENDJdzlf0

550D for a short? well, it's just as good as 7D afaik, the question is how it compares to the MKII
searching for some samples on YT now.
RH mentioned MKII had a blurry look, but not sure if he meant in 720p mode or if the 1080p mode had it too...

OnlineRender
03-28-2010, 07:35 AM
stupid question , can it record audio ????

I have 400D " its getting old but still works a charm "

erikals
03-28-2010, 07:58 AM
Canon 5D MKII looks quite sharp, much-much better than 550D
http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2327

probably because the chip sensor used in the MKII is much bigger.

so, if you have the money, go for the MKII
(it also shoots 24fps now, using a firmware update)

JBT27
03-28-2010, 08:00 AM
Canon 5D MKII looks quite sharp, much-much better than 550D
http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2327

probably because the chip sensor used in the MKII is much bigger.

so, if you have the money, go for the MKII
(it also shoots 24fps now, using a firmware update)

Great - thanks very much!

Julian.

erikals
03-28-2010, 08:00 AM
stupid question , can it record audio ????

I have 400D " its getting old but still works a charm "

yes, i believe so, at least it has a microphone...

JBT27
03-28-2010, 08:01 AM
stupid question , can it record audio ????

I have 400D " its getting old but still works a charm "

The features say so, and the demos on Vimeo and elsewhere have audio tracks. It has an external mic socket.

Julian.

OnlineRender
03-28-2010, 08:05 AM
hmmm interesting , ive not looked into it enough ,although for the price and if it has an external mic input , you could have a nice cheap video camera with the ability to swap lenses . . hmmmm

edit what happend to the days of HI8 :)

JBT27
03-28-2010, 08:12 AM
hmmm interesting , ive not looked into it enough ,although for the price and if it has an external mic input , you could have a nice cheap video camera with the ability to swap lenses . . hmmmm

edit what happend to the days of HI8 :)

..... still got my Hi8 camera ..... in its bag, year after year now .....unused. And VCR. And my laserdisc player and collection. Geez - I hate technology ..... or maybe I hate technologists ..... hmm :D

Julian.

JBT27
03-28-2010, 08:16 AM
the rolling shutter distortion is quite noticeable,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMENDJdzlf0

550D for a short? well, it's just as good as 7D afaik, the question is how it compares to the MKII
searching for some samples on YT now.
RH mentioned MKII had a blurry look, but not sure if he meant in 720p mode or if the 1080p mode had it too...

Looking again at this - I wonder just how slowly you have to pan to avoid this problem. Despite what some people do with it, it seems you either need a very considerable skill with shooting, or severely limit the shots you get.

So maybe Scarlet is a more viable thing to go for when it's out. But then didn't someone say that has the same problems, potentially?

Julian.

OnlineRender
03-28-2010, 08:24 AM
generally you dont pan in that fast action "they shots are generally done by crane and computer programmed " if I done that the editor would kick my baws " unless its for a certian aspect , you could use pixel blending and AE to correct some of the issues but again the camera main job is to take still images . still for the price its looking good

erikals
03-28-2010, 08:25 AM
here's the reason why the MKII is much sharper,...


Canon 5D MKII
optic sensor size, 24 x 36mm


Canon 550D
optic sensor size, 14.9 x 22.3mm

Sekhar
03-28-2010, 08:28 AM
Canon 5D MKII looks quite sharp, much-much better than 550D
http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2327

probably because the chip sensor used in the MKII is much bigger.

so, if you have the money, go for the MKII
(it also shoots 24fps now, using a firmware update)

MKII is equally bad in rolling shutter. You're comparing pro Canon video for MKII with amateur jerking around for T2i. In the head/head I've seen for T2i/7D, there is no difference whatsoever for video; and I'd seen 7D/MKII head/head, in which I hadn't seen much difference.

Do you have a head/head for T2i/MKII shot controlled for lens, lighting, etc.? Otherwise it's simply wrong to come to the conclusion that MKII is better somehow for video.

twillit
03-28-2010, 08:46 AM
There is a site I regularly subscribe to that you might be interested in.

www.dslrnewsshooter.com (http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/)

They are using the 550d, 7d and 5d for news video and documentary and offer insight into their tools and techniques. I would note that most of the panning in the videos is slow.

erikals
03-28-2010, 08:49 AM
when you compare this 550D 720p sample attached below and the MKII sample i think it's fairly easy to conclude the MKII is way better (unless that 550D is wrong or something, i've downloaded other 550D 720p samples which also concludes the same)

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2327


noting would be better than to be wrong though, which would mean 550D could look much sharper ;]

erikals
03-28-2010, 08:52 AM
edit: oh,... 7D.... have to look into that...

erikals
03-28-2010, 09:04 AM
from what i can see 5D MKII looks way better than the 7D

the MKII also has a bigger optic sensor, which should explain it

as for 550D vs 7D, maybe 7D is a bit better... not sure...

OnlineRender
03-28-2010, 09:09 AM
An application for capturing images to generate timelapse videos, built on gPhoto2 and wxWidgets libraries.


here I've used this for some timelapse stuff , may be of interest to some of you
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtimelapse/

GTIMELAPSE
--------------
edit sorry was in LINUX mode there ......

Sekhar
03-28-2010, 09:15 AM
from what i can see 5D MKII looks way better than the 7D

the MKII also has a bigger optic sensor, which should explain it

as for 550D vs 7D, maybe 7D is a bit better... not sure...

Looks like you're not willing to change your mind on that, which is fine. :)

Others: just do a Google search for 7D vs. MKII, and you'll find plenty of comparisons, many of which are controlled for lens, lighting, handling, etc. The performance is similar IMO, except for noise and depth of field, which are better for MKII because of the larger sensor (but you also need more expensive lenses for the full frame). More importantly, T2i performance is virtually identical to that of 7D, so it's huge value whether or not if you think 7D is similar to MKII.

twillit
03-28-2010, 09:23 AM
I don't think you'll see much difference in video quality between the 550D and 7D. The 7D offers many advantages for still photography and in build quality (weather proofing). The 5D is full frame so a less dense sensor and greater DOF.

Another site DXO Mark (http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Image-Quality-Database/Compare-cameras/(appareil1)/338%7C0/(appareil2)/329%7C0/(appareil3)/305%7C0/(onglet)/0/(brand)/Canon/(brand2)/Canon/(brand3)/Canon) tests different cameras and can give you hard numbers and graphs on sensor performance. The above link compares the 550d, 7d, and 5d. Short story, the 5D offers better SNR, Tonal Range and Color Sensitivity, along with better Dynamic Range in the mid high ISOs.

erikals
03-28-2010, 10:31 AM
Looks like you're not willing to change your mind on that, which is fine. :)


from what i can see...

um, i wouldn't call that not being able to change an opinion...
...that's partly why we have these forums ;]

erikals
03-28-2010, 10:44 AM
Sekhar, can you provide links that shows the sharpness on the 7D and MKII match?

erikals
03-28-2010, 11:13 AM
best 7D footage i've found so far, much better than 550D (for some strange reason), and closing in on the MKII, still the MKII is indeed much better.

(talking sharpness)

7D - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZJgIaanbTQ
MKII - http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2327

realgray
03-28-2010, 11:22 AM
the rolling shutter distortion is quite noticeable,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMENDJdzlf0

550D for a short? well, it's just as good as 7D afaik, the question is how it compares to the MKII
searching for some samples on YT now.
RH mentioned MKII had a blurry look, but not sure if he meant in 720p mode or if the 1080p mode had it too...

Not noticeable at all considering he was using a 320mm lens. This problem would have been the same for the 7D and 5D. In regards to the 5D, a still camera's 35mm sensor is bigger than a movie camera's 35mm sensor. The t2i/7D's sensor is actually close to the size of a Red One and Sony F35. The t2i is a great value with a great picture, especially if you waiting for the next generation that fixes the issues with the 5D (rolling shutter among others), which should be out soon considering the 5D's age.

Some great info here
(just substitute 7D for t2i, check out the panavision lens on the 7D at the bottom)

http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/10/01/5dmkii-or-the-7d/

erikals
03-28-2010, 11:37 AM
just noticed that YouTube blurs the uploaded videos... :[
no wonder 7D couldn't match the MKII...

more fair tests on www.vimeo.com
(many videos can be downloaded in full HD, but you have to log in in order to do so)

so, looks like the 7D is quite close to the MKII...
http://www.vimeo.com/10332557
http://www.vimeo.com/7388487

(checking on the 550D quality over again)

realgray
03-28-2010, 11:40 AM
A good all around review of the 550D/T2i

http://philipbloom.co.uk/2010/02/26/first-thoughts-on-rebel-t2i-550d/

Eagle66
03-28-2010, 11:47 AM
We are also trying to use the 7D for next movie. There is ONE other big problem which isnt't post here.

The HEAT - You can't use the 7D more as 30 minutes with open mirror at one pass - its a big problem for Movie making, because you need long preview Scenes before shot on the external Monitor. Every people for movie making have two Body to solve this.

Sekhar
03-28-2010, 12:57 PM
We are also trying to use the 7D for next movie. There is ONE other big problem which isnt't post here.

The HEAT - You can't use the 7D more as 30 minutes with open mirror at one pass - its a big problem for Movie making, because you need long preview Scenes before shot on the external Monitor. Every people for movie making have two Body to solve this.

Actually, it isn't as bad as it's made out to be. See http://vimeo.com/9924959 for a heating test (on 7D and T2i). This guy managed to get > 1 hour on T2i and > 1.5 hours on 7D.

erikals
03-28-2010, 02:30 PM
i've hit my download at limit vimeo atm, but to see the quality of the 550D,
search for test videos at www.vimeo.com and download them by signing in.

nanaboso
03-28-2010, 11:16 PM
Erikals, beeing norwegian, have you seen the test at "http://video.nrkbeta.no/diverse/?mest=viste". They do a test on RED vs. Canon 5D MkII. Also at "http://nrkbeta.no/2009/01/08/ensom-rytter-med-5d-mk-ii", you can read what Marius Arnesen thinks about it.

erikals
03-29-2010, 04:14 PM
thanks :]

yep, saw it some time back :]

erikals
03-29-2010, 05:40 PM
the 550D looks to be quite sharp as well, though maybe not as good as 7D,...

(login on vimeo in order to download)
http://www.vimeo.com/10314280
http://www.vimeo.com/9741035

(SonicMotion, there must be something wrong with your camera or something, it shouldn't be that blurred)


it was interesting to see the MKII vs RED btw
cool to see the MKII beat the heck out of the RED in low-light conditions
(based on that test it certainly looks like the 550D and 7D should beat the RED in low-light as well)
http://video.nrkbeta.no/diverse/red-vs-canon-5d-mkii-del-2/

gordonrobb
03-29-2010, 05:50 PM
Never mind all that. I bought the 7d and then found out about the 550D two days later. Fortunately the camera shop took the 7d back and I saved a lot of money. Otherwise I would have been like good old Adolf in this ingenious video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AMKGHN8kPk

MentalFish
03-30-2010, 04:21 AM
it was interesting to see the MKII vs RED btw
cool to see the MKII beat the heck out of the RED in low-light conditions
(based on that test it certainly looks like the 550D and 7D should beat the RED in low-light as well)
http://video.nrkbeta.no/diverse/red-vs-canon-5d-mkii-del-2/

I am no camera expert, but it does not sound that they completely understand what is going on as they are blaming the h264 for the lack of data available in the hightlights and shadows on the Canon. Unless the Camera handles the data as HDR all the way up until compression, then they are wrong. And if the lack of HDR support on the Canon is all down to the compression format, I would strongly suggest to Canon they use a HDR'able compression scheme (or no compression), even if it adds another 1000$ to the Camera.

In terms of low-light Red One results, I stumbled across this one:
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39998

Edit: What is the cheapest HDR enabled video solution out there? Still Red?

biliousfrog
03-30-2010, 06:06 AM
in terms of low-light red one results, i stumbled across this one:
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39998


oh my word!

erikals
03-30-2010, 06:23 AM
looks to based on the new "M-X" technology, not the old RED,... quite cool.

(the link i posted http://video.nrkbeta.no/diverse/red-vs-canon-5d-mkii-del-2/ does not use this new technology)
wonder what the change would be if they used M-X technology.

(strange, anyone notice that the RED shot in that link is quite blurred?)
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39998

but very nice, hope Scarlet will have the same http://erikalstad.com/backup/anims.php_files/smile.gif

cagey5
03-30-2010, 09:33 AM
Anybody have any thoughts on the 18 -135 lens v the 18 -55 lens that is the typical kit lens?

SonicMotion
03-30-2010, 10:04 AM
I wonder if I have a bad lens, I'm using the 18-55 that came with it and I notice that stills are looking a bit soft too. I'll have to try out another lens.

I've shot the 7d with the 18-135 lens and I really like that lens. Its fast and sharp. I'm debating on picking it up for the 550.

twillit
03-30-2010, 10:09 AM
Anybody have any thoughts on the 18 -135 lens v the 18 -55 lens that is the typical kit lens?

I replaced my 18-55 as quick as I could. It is soft, low contrast and CA at mid to high contrast. It is also is a pain to focus manually and the build is cheap. The IS is nice.

The 18-135 is better. Metal base, larger focus ring and is USM with continual focus. The aperture is a bit small 3.5-5.6, I prefer a larger constant aperture. A friend owns one and is relatively happy with it.

cagey5
03-30-2010, 10:20 AM
Thanks guys. I think you've convinced me to go for the 135 version. Aperture does look on the small side but then it's no worse than the 18-55.

erikals
03-30-2010, 04:31 PM
I replaced my 18-55 as quick as I could. It is soft, low contrast and CA at mid to high contrast. It is also is a pain to focus manually and the build is cheap....

...The IS is nice.

interesting article on IS,...
http://photo.net/equipment/canon/is_lenses/

gordonrobb
03-30-2010, 06:18 PM
I got mine body only after seeing a poor review on the 135 kit lens. Got a 17-85 USM IS one that had btter reviews. Poor aperture at 4 but with the IS dont care. Also upgraded my Sigma 70-300 for a canon 70-300 USM IS. great lens. The IS works a treat although having seen that review the sharpnEss of the L lens with good light is awesome.

twillit
03-30-2010, 06:59 PM
To be honest, I do not like any of the Canon zooms under $600. My lens of choice is a Tamron 17-50 f2.8. I would compare it to the Canon EFs 17-55 f2.8 IS USM, minus the IS and USM and at half the price. I have the Sigma 70-300 and the Canon 70-300 USM non-IS and use neither since I bought the Tamron. There is that big of a difference in the glass and so much less post in photoshop.

The EFs 17-55 f2.8 IS USM is currently running just above $1000 at B&H while the Tamron 17-50 f2.8 is at $450, $650 with IS but still no USM. Other then that I would also look at the EF 70-200 f4 USM L at $650. The 70-200 is the cheapest Canon zoom I would buy. It is an awesome Lens even in it's cheapest version.

That is all me, like I said earlier, a friend owns the 18-135 and is happy, I wouldn't be.

While I have gone long here, let me share some more links on Canon Lenes

the-digital-picture.com (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/)

www.photozone.de (http://www.photozone.de/reviews)

www.dxomark.com (http://www.dxomark.com/)

erikals
03-30-2010, 07:39 PM
cool lens page :]
http://www.pixel-peeper.com/lenses/?lens=7&perpage=12&focal_min=none&focal_max=none&aperture_min=none&aperture_max=none&res=3