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glebe digital
12-19-2009, 09:38 PM
I sent this to Monckton just now.........lucky the plain clothes bastards are all snowed in at caithness somewhere.

Love you all.

orkneylad
Stuart Mayes


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M'lord,

it's orkneylad.
they are definately onto me.....but the below is already in safe hands.

If I fall, mum will pick up the banner.

Pease & truth
Stuart Mayes

I'm surprised at you all, if your not reading this blog NOW you may as well turn the light out when you go.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100020337/copenhagen-the-sweet-sound-of-exploding-watermelons/comment-page-6/#comment-100111024

It was nice knowing you all.
http://www.maxwellrender.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33384


I did warn you:

"Not Found

Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here."

http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/Not%20FoundSorrybutyouarelookingforsomethingthatis nthere.jpg

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glebe digital
12-19-2009, 09:57 PM
by the way, you might be experiencing a slight 'media blackout' in the uk.

I just hope the last bastion of Freedom can save us before we all go down the swanney.

buey, I hope you are all copy/pasting this link & taking it to everyone you know.

Peace & Love

Intuition
12-19-2009, 10:18 PM
Hey Glebe, I am missing some context here. I don't really understand what you are trying to say with this post here and at maxwell render's site.

Could you break it down for us. ;D

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 10:19 PM
Thank God someone's up. :)

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 10:20 PM
AGW is toast

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 10:21 PM
Please, everyone, save this data and remember that when they put a cap in MY head there's others picking up the banner.

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 10:21 PM
Please visit the SPPI site and send them this date before it's too late.

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 10:24 PM
The Telegraph blog was shut down somtime ago due to reality kicking in. The game is up.

Jake Thackray

Remember the bands and the grand parades,
The flags, the banners, the fine cockades,
And how we all looked up to see the King upon the balcony:
Who told us we were young and brave,
We'd never become the foreigner's slave -
If the foreigner comes off best, he said,
You'll be better off dead . . .
This was a couple of weeks before we got killed in the war.

Remember the drums and the trumpets played
When we set sail on the great crusade,
And how we all looked up to see the clergyman on the quay:
Who told us we were grand and good
To fight for God, as good men should -
If the enemy comes off best, he said,
You'll be better off dead . . .
And this was a couple of days before we got killed in the war.

Remember the night before the raid
When the guns began the cannonade,
And how we all looked up to see the captain of the company:
Who told us we were bold and strong,
Let fame and glory spur us on -
If the Enemy comes off best, he said,
You'll be better off dead . . .
This was a couple of hours before we got killed in the war.

Remember the shock of the ambuscade,
Remember the terrible fusillade,
And how we all looked up to see the curious face of the enemy:
Who was young, and shabby, and seemed to be
About as foreign as you or me -
I never did catch what the poor sod said
When he made sure we were dead . . .
This was a couple of shakes before we got killed in the war.

Intuition
12-19-2009, 10:25 PM
Um, what does AGW stand for?

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 10:28 PM
go to YouTube, find my movie favourites on Glebe digital's favourites.

Make sure you spread the word.

Don't let then steal the handles again.

Peace&Love

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 10:30 PM
Even better, if you can get this to Dr Robert Lindzen before they cap his *** too....

You think I'm joking, but you better get peddling asap

Intuition
12-19-2009, 10:35 PM
Ok, I'll check it out. I don't think your joking I just have no idea what is going on. I have gathered that it seems your world wide web access or domain name is in some sort of ownership or control danger.

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 10:37 PM
If this is the best of all possible worlds, what must the others be like?
Voltaire

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 10:38 PM
get this infront on Lord Monckton pronto. please!!!!!!

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 10:46 PM
The Truth Will Out

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 10:50 PM
James Delingpole's blog in the Telegraph exposed the whole LOT at about 2am.......they've been trying to shut each one of us bloggers down ever since.

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 10:53 PM
God made Night
but
Man made Darkness

Spike Milligan

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 10:58 PM
05:58 GMT Prisontplanet.com goes down.

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 11:08 PM
Have you been asleep?

James Delingpole has a blog -had I should say- on the Telegraph newspaper, his blog exploded last night with the complete debunking of the AGW scam.
This really is big stuff guys......I just have the missfortune of being the messenger.

Peace&Love to all mankind
orkneylad

Have you been asleep?

James Delingpole has a blog -had I should say- on the Telegraph newspaper, his blog exploded last night with the complete debunking of the AGW scam.
This really is big stuff guys......I just have the missfortune of being the messenger.

Peace&Love to all mankind
orkneylad

Stuart Mayes

The only pages I can actually get into is here, and Newtek forum...they've shut everything else and have already started re-writing your history.

Enjoy your freedom.

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 11:14 PM
http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/picture022.jpg

Matt
12-19-2009, 11:14 PM
I'm totally lost as to what this is supposed to be.

Someone having a melt down?

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 11:15 PM
they'll probably shut you down next.

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 11:28 PM
Matt, it's what it is. Wake up and smell the coffee

Intuition
12-19-2009, 11:32 PM
So does AGW stand for anti-global warming? I did a search on google and thats what came up.

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 11:36 PM
Man-made global warming......the games up.

If you have shares in windfarms I suggest you shed them now.

Intuition
12-19-2009, 11:39 PM
AH hah. So someone is getting some scrutinizing info out there which may make some heads roll and those whose heads would roll are trying to squelch it? Sorry took me a bit to gather what was being said.

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 11:41 PM
Intuition you ain't even close....just wait a few days as the ediffice collapes.



this show's going out live folks.

I, Claudius - Half Wit Beats Senate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQe28wNe6SU

Global Warming - Vulnerability to the IPCC Message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GLUEWp6Vn4

Dr. Richard Lindzen, Massachussetts Institute Of Technology, USA

Dr Lindzen for President please.
Please save us Ameerice.

Peace&Love

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 11:43 PM
America please save us.

It's all going to hell in a handcart

Intuition
12-19-2009, 11:49 PM
Ok, I guess I assumed wrongly.

So if you will indulge me exactly what are you trying to say?

I see poetry, I see posts in which you show scientists saying that we are getting blinded by science, I also see a post in which a you tube video shows al gore walking down a hallway to the sound of some old music.

I have no idea if you are trying to push for the scientists claiming there is global warming or pushing for the movement trying to say global warming is false.

Evidently you are really alarmed by some event that is going on which you say is causing blogs to be shut down and or internet access to be limited.

I just wonder if there is anything I can do to help besides be confused by what you want me to do? You said to get some info in front of Monckton, but I am not sure which info you mean? I assure you an email with some links to some horrible you tube videos will probably not help or even a copy paste from the uk2 site register info you posted may not help either.

Wish I could do more.

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 11:51 PM
Remember Bethlehem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJDroCSwbtM

glebe digital
12-19-2009, 11:58 PM
don't want to scare you or anything. but they're blocking my email account now.

Peace&Love

glebe digital
12-20-2009, 12:15 AM
Blimey, do I have to spell it out. LMFAO

try accessing that blog.......censored......YOU ARE FREE TO DO WHAT WE TELL YOU

I'm surprised at you all, if your not reading this blog NOW you may as well turn the light out when you go.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...ment-100111024

It was nice knowing you all.
http://www.maxwellrender.com/forum/v...p?f=19&t=33384

danielkaiser
12-20-2009, 12:32 AM
Some one ether got hacked, or their off their meds I'm guessing the latter.

glebe digital
12-20-2009, 02:06 AM
http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/Not%20FoundSorrybutyouarelookingforsomethingthatis nthere.jpg

glebe digital
12-20-2009, 02:28 AM
Forbidden fruit my friends, here's a snippet of what you're not allowed to know about climate-gate.

http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/snippetA.jpg

Peace&Love
orkneylad

Dodgy
12-20-2009, 02:30 AM
AGW stands for anthropomorphic global warming. This numpty is trying to warn everyone in the most obscure and round about way that all the bloggers who deny global warming is a man made threat are being taken out by some vast conspiracy.

So much noise for so little actual message. How he expects anyone to decipher his comments I don't know. He definitely needs to start taking the pills again I think.

glebe digital
12-20-2009, 02:33 AM
Boy is my finger not on the pulse of America.

YOU ARE FREE TO DO AS WE TELL YOU.

walfridson
12-20-2009, 02:55 AM
I see a parked car outside my window.... Could it be them?????

OnlineRender
12-20-2009, 03:03 AM
I know what he's talking about , I also posted a link about this about a week ago here on NT forums ..........................

How fast do you think you can close the net down :P

OnlineRender
12-20-2009, 03:12 AM
Boy is my finger not on the pulse of America.

YOU ARE FREE TO DO AS WE TELL YOU.

Bill Hicks Quote !

OnlineRender
12-20-2009, 04:26 AM
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/10/watch_monckton_squirm.php

read this it might help !

glebe digital
12-20-2009, 05:07 AM
People, the power behind the 'glove puppets' chased me across the internet shutting out my posts as I tried to stay one step ahead of them.

Until that is, they realised the gane was up & I'd buried the evidence before I could get a nice bullet in the head.

Peace&Love
orkneylad

cresshead
12-20-2009, 07:35 AM
if you don't have the spine to write in plain english then go out and grow one...come back and write in plain english.

if your friegthend about the net closing down...so what?...most of the world's population is not even connected to the net.

big deal.

Mike_RB
12-20-2009, 08:45 AM
Love this stuff. Moar! Moar!

Chris S. (Fez)
12-20-2009, 09:01 AM
I tell you the inner sanctum has cracked. Truth finally floods the world. Black helicopters hover on the horizon like rogue storm clouds. Double-wrap your tin foil helmets and tally forth: warn the world of my impending winky-napping or your naughty bits too will be bogarted...

You guys should try it. Shockingly therapeutic :).

Mike_RB
12-20-2009, 09:11 AM
I tell you the inner sanctum has cracked. Truth finally floods the world. Black helicopters hover on the horizon like rogue storm clouds. Double-wrap your tin foil helmets and tally forth: warn the world of my impending winky-napping or your naughty bits too will be bogarted...

You guys should try it. Shockingly therapeutic :).

The Truth will never flood the world like a tidal wave, the elite group of the organization will never in all time let that happen if they did their power hold and grip would slip away, the people and perceptives would rise up again once more. They will keep guard the real truth with force like they always have since the beginning when they started. We have to seek out when possible to stop them from transmitting the message. Otherwise they will always continue to block us and gain more power through control. At this moment they are shutting down emails and communications around the globe all over the world, the world over. Acting immediately right now is the only one choice. We have to see and tell this as a call to mobilize and organize. You're next or will be soon, trust me on this. Monckton is an example of what will come.

cresshead
12-20-2009, 09:16 AM
exactly WHAT is in your mince pies today?:lol:

Chris S. (Fez)
12-20-2009, 09:17 AM
Monckton is an example of what will come...

Truth was never spoke truer.

melmoth2
12-20-2009, 10:37 AM
I think what he sez makes a lot of sens and i would like to have his tekephon number,

OnlineRender
12-20-2009, 10:45 AM
I think what he sez makes a lot of sens and i would like to have his tekephon number,
:P

2012 is getting closer !

shrox
12-20-2009, 11:28 AM
Is this about the Christmas thread?

glebe digital
12-20-2009, 12:11 PM
this shows going out live boys. :)
I knew you wouldn't just 'bin' my posts...you would start the ball rolling instead.

Fair play to you all good upstanding gentlemen.

npix
12-20-2009, 12:18 PM
You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland...

cc3d
12-20-2009, 12:19 PM
this shows going out live boys. :)
I knew you wouldn't just 'bin' my posts...you would start the ball rolling instead.

Fair play to you all good upstanding gentlemen.

what a bunch of marble-mouthed, worthless, jumbled ********! Go somewhere where somebody gives a **** about you ramblings:D

OnlineRender
12-20-2009, 12:22 PM
I love the happy face at the end ,it adds DRAMA

glebe digital
12-20-2009, 12:27 PM
I tell you the inner sanctum has cracked. Truth finally floods the world. Black helicopters hover on the horizon like rogue storm clouds. Double-wrap your tin foil helmets and tally forth: warn the world of my impending winky-napping or your naughty bits too will be bogarted...

You guys should try it. Shockingly therapeutic :).

:goodluck:

Mike_RB
12-21-2009, 08:26 AM
Any update on Monckton? We can't just forget about this so quickly!

glebe digital
12-21-2009, 08:43 AM
Any update on Monckton? We can't just forget about this so quickly!

:thumbsup:
Is there much point? while that Panchuiri fella fumbles about looking shifty, and we all await a judicial enquiry into Climate-gate, the bandits are already away with your huge stash of green tax. :lol:

shrox
12-21-2009, 09:13 AM
Perhaps if you worded your point clearly. If we don't understand your lyrical prose, it's of your our doing. And since you are still posting, apparently no badges or bad guys beat down your door, so what was so important?

tischbein3
12-21-2009, 09:40 AM
I think I decivered it

snow sucks

if thats the case, I 100% agree.

glebe digital
12-21-2009, 09:50 AM
Perhaps if you worded your point clearly. If we don't understand your lyrical prose, it's of your our doing. And since you are still posting, apparently no badges or bad guys beat down your door, so what was so important?

You're right, thank goodness we're all still safe then!
Nothing to see here, move along.........

Tonttu
12-21-2009, 11:34 AM
Monckton and British National Party swinging the flag on this one - it's another scam inside a scam.

tischbein3
12-21-2009, 11:37 AM
so maybe you care to go into details about what this is all about ?

glebe digital
12-21-2009, 11:50 AM
Of course even Monckton has an axe to grind, the BNP are just as insane as the LibLabCon robbers we currently have! Beggars belief doesn't it!

Want to see something REALLY funny while Rome burns?

My Scorpio Horoscope on Facebook about 15mins ago:

"Today is the Winter Solstice, a day on which astronomical factors make it appear as if the Sun is moving north again, increasing the length of days (in the Northern Hemisphere). It's also the first day of Winter, and means something special for each sign. For you, Scorp...io, this is the time of year during which you like to be out and about, or, at the very least, enjoy sitting on the phone with friends. That energy will be prominent during the year, but mostly, the year will concentrate on career and reputation. It seems that you will be very heavily occupied with advancing yourself, but after June begins, there will be an emphasis on fun. You may even be facing a challenge to your authority today, but you don't need to respond in kind, according to today's planets, the challenger will undo themselves soon enough, because your victory is assured."

Yes Master! LMFAO

Nangleator
12-21-2009, 12:26 PM
This is a load of nonsense.

My God... They've gotten to me! I can't be trusted!

Yes, I can.

Tonttu
12-21-2009, 01:28 PM
Btw. my eco-backpack weighs 10094 kg (after an extended survey). This is not a carbon-biased test. (http://onedidit.com/) EU average is 32665 kg.
So I'm a planethugger, but against scamming people into submission for a one world government ruled by rich psychopaths.
All the treehuggers are having mixed feelings, because they can now force vegetarianism and other cool stuff on people by threatening them with climate change, but on the other hand they clearly see the "business as usual" globalist side of it.
Monckton and BNP have been put there to make folks feel dirty for voicing their opinion against the climate scam.

glebe digital
12-21-2009, 01:34 PM
@Nangleator
YOU ARE FREE TO DO AS WE TELL YOU

@Tonttu
You nail it right there.

Peace&Love

Nangleator
12-21-2009, 01:38 PM
Tonttu, when there's a global controversy, and one side of the argument is scientists and the other side is comprised of people proud of their ignorance, as well as filthy rich jerks who stand to make less money if they aren't destroying the environment...

Well, I can see you've already picked a side. Is it the right one?

To put it another way...

Tonttu
12-21-2009, 02:39 PM
Which one was my side again? If I'm not with you, I'm "with the terrorists"?
Regarding the scientific community, please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm#Scientific_paradigm
You can't separate science and the people who make it. People's minds idealize it like communism or any theoretically noble -ism. Things like money and politics have a massive effect on the actual reality. Didn't practical technical applications of scientific discoveries help ruin our planet?

Unfortunately, contrary to what the cartoonist would have us believe, the political elite organizing these summits are clearly not aiming for a better, more ecological world. Trading of emissions is a system that brings to mind this historical phenomenon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence#Abuses

They're using climate change along with the terrorist threat to push a model of global governance. It's kind of like opportunism, only worse as they're making it all up as they go.

Our climate is an ever-morphing thing and fears directed towards it do not form a proper foundation for an ecological philosophy and way of life. Predictions and statistics can be destroyed overnight. Then everybody would just continue with their manic consumerist life styles as if nothing happened.
"Oh crap, Mother Earth didn't like what we do and now she's killing us with the Climate!" vs. actually giving a damn about pollution and torture of animals. We should strive for responsibility, not just scramble to save our asses when we think we've raped nature for a bit too long.

glebe digital
12-21-2009, 02:57 PM
@Tonttu
You the man.

That cartoon is hilarious! thanks! LMFAO

Have the rulers actually GIVEN you any of that stuff on the blue board?

NOPE

What have they given you instead?

WAR : DEATH : TAXES

Wake up and smell the coffee. :)
Peace & Love
orkneylad

Tranimatronic
12-21-2009, 03:31 PM
At that time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before

Nangleator
12-21-2009, 04:54 PM
Brian reference win!

glebe digital
12-21-2009, 05:18 PM
@Tranimatronic

You score a direct one of these my friend:

http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/enfatico.jpg

NewTek you are clearly NOT in the pay of the Global Elite......I thank you for allowing me to continue.

I will do nothing unconstitutional.

Peace & Love
orkneylad

cresshead
12-21-2009, 05:22 PM
don't forget the biscuits!
..oh sorry you've taken them already!

..edit you know really grind my gears to the point of detaching some of the teeth of said gears...?

people who have a tag line of love and peace
...they ususally turn out to be people who get drunk and beat up their friends/wives/children....

glebe digital
12-21-2009, 05:38 PM
@cresshead
YOU ARE FREE TO DO AS WE TELL YOU

My mother taught me well, and I learnt in the playground that 'sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me.'

You're a corporate shill, another whore in the capitalist gangbang.

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-21-2009, 06:18 PM
A wonderful Bill Hicks interview for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWgwYXy-Yg0

Peace & Love
orkneylove

glebe digital
12-21-2009, 10:37 PM
Going to get some kip for a few hours.

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-21-2009, 10:43 PM
@megalodon
Your nothing but a pile of Lego bricks.



Go snowballers.

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-21-2009, 11:05 PM
@megalodon
LMFAO

You think YOU'VE got problems, my 4 year old daughter beat me at chess today.
I admit my mind wasn't completely on the ball at the time, but I certainly wasn't expecting the perfect queen & rook endgame.

Children the world is now yours. Go live in it.

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-21-2009, 11:47 PM
er er computer says no........bad language. LMFAO
[tried to post this on BBC's Have Your Say]

Would I watch a leaders debate?

"Not a ******* chance your one-eyed cretin.

Children, the world is now yours.
Go live in it."

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 12:03 AM
Hislop is toast. LMFAO

"Checkmate.

That was quick children, now go smoke that cigar that smells of Freedom.
President Ahmadinejad I offer Peace & Love for all your people. Do hug my children when you see them.

Peace & Love
orkneylad"

And on the 180th post as well.....dude!

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 12:12 AM
@megalodon

Please be quiet and listen to your master.
I do not need luck, my people run deep.
So no more from you please, you're ruining the scenery.

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 12:26 AM
@ lego brick
LMFAO

You think one single soldier is going to raise a rifle to save YOUR arse ************?
Soldiers protect civilians, they've died too many times before believing your brand of horse****.

We won the battle, the war, lock stock & Barrel.

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 12:40 AM
@ lego brick
LMFAO

That's right, feel that hammer of justice.

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 12:47 AM
Boys & Girls, you may now commence smoking the good stuff.

Beautiful.

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 01:07 AM
@ the lego brick
LMFAO

Scientists who use words like 'goo' are currently being tipped into the Tiber right now.

Enjoy your Freedom.

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 01:15 AM
@megalodon
Damn straight! You've been ticked! LMFAO

Now you may pass go, collect 200.

Buey, were natural police.

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 01:29 AM
**** me 'pretend' lego brick you're even smarter than I am mofo!
I like it.

Should I post my favourite Lester clip or would their heads explode?

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 01:37 AM
NewTek this a special present for you.....shared only with Next Limit.

You did good

The Wire 3x09 - Lester Freamon, a wise man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b54EEpdv9q8

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 01:54 AM
Ye hah baby ride that missile people!

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 02:05 AM
Why do you think the lypsinc was 'off' in the Claudius death scene?

Open the pod bay doors Hal.

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 02:23 AM
http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/candle.jpg

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 02:30 AM
Are you ****-shiners all gone now?

Peace & Love
orkneylad

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 02:31 AM
http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/candle.jpg

glebe digital
12-22-2009, 02:48 AM
I’ll be at Maxwell mostly, but feel free to talk amongst yourselves.

@JD can you start us a thread called Victory @ we’ll discuss Nelson and sacrifice.

Smoke it!
Peace & Love
orkneylad

toby
12-22-2009, 04:12 AM
Glebe I think your position and evidence are clearly summed up here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWq56gcbOi8

Nangleator
12-22-2009, 06:31 AM
glebe, you're pretty entertaining, but you've got nothing on the timecube guy.

P.S. Bright strategy: if you think people are going to silence you, you reveal that absolutely nothing you say could damage anything but yourself.

Mike_RB
12-22-2009, 07:16 AM
I can't even write in the broken nonsense properly...

This is a good example:
@JD can you start us a thread called Victory @ we’ll discuss Nelson and sacrifice.

...

Reference 2 names and capitalize a word out of context...

Let me try:

Monckton~! Soon we'll be able to convince all this @Openly with Canmore and the city.

...
It's hard to make this little sense when writing....

Tranimatronic
12-22-2009, 08:59 AM
Okay. I've heard enough. Where do I sign up? I want one. If I sign up now you will send me a SECOND snuggly free ? Only three easy payments !!

And they say Santa Claus isn't real.

The cutoff date was the 20th October wasn't it ? I know you said you were too busy to sign autographs, but I am a big fan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAU0l7325w0

Many thanks

danielkaiser
12-22-2009, 09:42 AM
Stand On Zanzibar
John Brunner
1968

context (0) - THE INNIS MODE

"There is nothing willful or arbitrary about the Innis mode of expression. Were it to be translated into perspective prose, it would not only require huge space, but the insight into the modes of interplay among forms of organization would also be lost. Innis sacrificed point of view and prestige to his sense of the urgent need for insight. A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding. As Innis got more insight he abandoned any mere point of view in his presentation of knowledge. When he interrelates the development of the steam press with 'the consolidation of the vernaculars' and the rise of nationalism and revolution he is not reporting anybody's point of view, least of all his own. He is setting up a mosaic configuration or galaxy for insight . . . Innis makes no effort to 'spell out' the interrelations between the components in his galaxy. He offers no consumer packages in his later work, but only do-it-yourself kits..."

- Marshall McLuhan: The Gutenberg Galaxy

biliousfrog
12-22-2009, 11:51 AM
Glebe I think your position and evidence are clearly summed up here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWq56gcbOi8

coffee - nose - monitor

Mike_RB
12-22-2009, 02:23 PM
That's right.

Game over man, game over.

Best now to go home, bend over and stick something between your something and kiss it goodbye.

-----

It's scarey that I can write JUST like Glebe here. Time for a LONG break. ;D

It's just the right time man. Otherwise you'd be in the gutter with trash that came before! Polar bears and penguins hand in hand.

Voila! And the curtain closes on this round of the game! Just like Noah!

Maybe next time!

Dial it in.
Put a stamp on it
Hibernate!

-&Mike

Mike_RB
12-22-2009, 02:31 PM
Okay... looks like we ALL can write like that! :thumbsup:

Either that or we're ALL on drugs! :)

Only the sweetest ones! Anyone ever imagine how they would pull this off? Guess we don't have to guess Anymore. Seems like it's all downhill from here on in. Too bad we couldn't have stopped the train before derailing.

Time to vote! March to the capital!

%% isn't everything.

An interview with the Masterminds in charge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKh2RG0NaG0

-Mike

shrox
12-22-2009, 02:35 PM
The Earth does not care.

Mike_RB
12-22-2009, 02:38 PM
The Earth does not care.

Truth! But only when they are selling it!

Time for our medicine.
Boom goes the dynamite

-Signoff.

JBT27
12-22-2009, 02:41 PM
The Earth does not care.

Now that is a very great truth.

Julian.

Tonttu
12-23-2009, 03:19 AM
The Earth does not care.

Oh, but the New Age Earth v2.1 DOES care.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Strong
http://www.ulsf.org/pub_declaration_resvol21.html
THE EARTH CHARTER
Benchmark Draft, 18 March 1997

Earth is our home and home to all living beings. Earth itself is alive. We are part of an evolving universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

4Hero - Loveless (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2xRlolMx0s)

colkai
12-23-2009, 04:19 AM
coffee - nose - monitor

Indeed. :p

Soth
12-23-2009, 04:34 AM
BBC: Hot Planet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iomk9iWm5Gw&feature=PlayList&p=9F31DD081D81B91E&index=1&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL

glebe digital
12-23-2009, 08:12 AM
@Soth

The 'hot planet' program has already been de-bunked as nonsense IPCC propaganda.

I suggest reading:
The Greenhouse Trap by John L Daly. [1988 bantambooks I believe]

It's out of print of course, but you can still get the odd 2nd-hand copy on the net.

Also good is:
Extraordinary Popular Delusions & The Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay. 1841.
There is a small Harriman House edition available in most good bookshops.

Get yourself a copy before they burn the last library down. :)

Peace & Love

glebe digital
12-23-2009, 08:16 AM
Big hugs for Mike_RB - Tonttu - Tranimatronic

You guys! :)

Peace & Love

OnlineRender
12-23-2009, 11:18 AM
SQ HACKED IS THAT YOUR FAULT GLEBE ???

soz caps can't be bothered deleting even though it took more effort to write this sentence explaining "damn how many spelling mistakes was that " .

I wish someone would pay attention , it has every similiarity of DDOS attack ! ! ! ! !

toby
12-23-2009, 04:14 PM
@Soth

The 'hot planet' program has already been de-bunked as nonsense IPCC propaganda.

Debunked by paranoid conspiracy theorists, people who want to look smart by crying "fake", by religious fanatics who actually want the coming of the end of the world, and by billionares who'd have to stop getting richer, no doubt.

You'd have to be an idiot or a psycho to think that 9/10ths of the worlds' scientists and professors are all in on some global plot to take over the world, and even crazier to take the chance that most of us will DIE, and anyone who doesn't will be living in caves. With stakes like that who cares if climate change is only 25% possible?

There may be some plot by the BANKS for a one-world government, they took over the monetary system in the U.S. 100 years ago without needing scientists to do it, so that's a stupid excuse to let the planet go to s***.

Now take your meds and stfu.

Or do we have to listen to say

YOU ARE FREE TO DO AS *I* TELL YOU
some more? How is your fear-mongering any different -

nanaboso
12-23-2009, 10:49 PM
Come on toby. The next thing you'll tell me is that smoking is not good for your health. I knew a man who started smoking when he was 12, and he lived to be 92. So no way smoking damages your health, no matter what the so kalled experts says.

Tonttu
12-24-2009, 07:05 AM
You'd have to be an idiot or a psycho to think that 9/10ths of the worlds' scientists and professors are all in on some global plot to take over the world, and even crazier to take the chance that most of us will DIE, and anyone who doesn't will be living in caves.

Suddenly we're going to just die?? Isn't that stretching it a bit?
The big shots who are pushing the climate scare project have no need to take over the world. It's just a little adjustment to move away from local decision-making.

If someone has a passion for science, they might not be interested in the politics of science at all. Then there are those who concentrate on just that: arranging things so that only certain people get key positions in the network.

The scientific penis enlarges with the amount of publications so what are you going to do, if the gatekeepers don't like your stuff? Science can be a career just like anything else. You think 90% of the world's scientists are pure in heart idealists striving for objectivity even if it means living on the poverty line? Humans live by herd instinct and scientists are no exception: they root for the winner, they are afraid to be bullied and they yield to pressure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Feyerabend#Role_of_science_in_society

Nangleator
12-24-2009, 07:12 AM
1. Scientists => Smart
2. Science career => Stupidest possible path to money and power
3. Scientists are aware of 2. (See 1.)

Tonttu
12-24-2009, 08:04 AM
There are many kinds of smart. If you noticed in my post I mentioned that some people just don't care about organizing networks of people, even though it could be a pretty smart way to money and power. On the other hand, I don't really get what your whole point is with "2." as I never implied anything related to it. I referred to the need to improve or stabilize one's standard of living by working on papers that can get published.

Btw. what do you think about the fact that I have a strong eco agenda and life style and yet here I am criticizing the warming hysteria? Does your brain just short circuit or something when you can't just write me off as an SUV lovin', baby seal clubbing, pork rind munching redneck?

Nangleator
12-24-2009, 08:22 AM
I've seen lots of posts from people that suggested that the scientists who are publishing AGW papers are lying and creating data for some selfish, evil, profit-related agenda. (As if the dead-dinosaur industry executives are motivated by altruism in their uneducated denials of the same reports.)

You are different, and much more believable in your contention that these scientists are merely hopping on the band wagon because pro-AGW papers make money, and other science doesn't. It's not a crazy thought. I don't buy it, myself, because I believe there's currently a lot more money in disproving, and certainly the scientist who disproves AGW conclusively can write his own ticket.

Tonttu
12-24-2009, 08:46 AM
(As if the dead-dinosaur industry executives are motivated by altruism in their uneducated denials of the same reports.)

Before, I used to think like that, too. But it might just be a show to help polarize the subject to extremes. If you look at CRU, for example:

Initial sponsors included British Petroleum, the Nuffield Foundation and Royal Dutch Shell. The Rockefeller Foundation was another early benefactor, and the Wolfson Foundation gave the Unit its current building in 1986. Since the second half of the 1970s the Unit has also received funding through a series of contracts with the United States Department of Energy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit

Personally, I've waited for the electric motor to replace the smelly combustion-engines since I was a child. So, for me the last 20+ years have been total overkill in terms of delay and anticipation. There is a clear script of what technologies dominate and when. I would think by now the (huge pile of) money invested in the initial developing of combustion engine technology has been earned back. When in 2006 Royal Dutch Shell started issuing alarmist statements about global warming (in synch with many other similar phenomenon), it was just screaming "scripted timeline" to me.

OnlineRender
12-24-2009, 11:21 AM
I told you ALL about the climate change hack 3 weeks ago , the saying goes " I TOLD YOU SO " ..............

search it .............

Have a nice one

Tonttu
12-24-2009, 11:39 AM
To balance all this rebellious yapping, have some eco hippie love as a Christmas present - some sweet alternative energy tech I think need more attention:

In Finland we need a lot of energy for heating. A super cost effective solar solution are these evacuated tubes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_thermal_collector#Evacuated_tube
A random video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVJwsTy6NgA)
They are sturdy, withstand harsh weather way better than panels and the parts that wear out first are cheap to replace. The ingenuity is that you are using all of light's spectrum, so even light reflected from snow heats the fluid some. The Chinese are churning them out like crazy. Luckily they're just glass tubes, so maybe the manufacturing process won't kill the environment too much.. I don't know if you can say the same for solar electricity panels?!

You think wind power sucks? Not if you generate heat with it!
http://www.finnwind.fi/web-content/pages/buyers_checklist.html
Wind varies so much it's simpler to just throw it all to heat. At least while waiting for Exro (http://www.exro.com/) to get their stuff together. I would've showed you this Finnish company http://www.mypower.fi/ but their pages are being updated atm.

Open source electric car conversion project (http://ecars-now.wikidot.com/) - Vimeo vid of the launch (http://vimeo.com/7640378)

Some emerging tech to whet your appetite:
A simple Finnish wave energy invention currently kicking butt in Portugal (http://www.aw-energy.com/)

Vortex Induced Vibrations Aquatic Clean Energy (http://www.vortexhydroenergy.com/)

Water vortex engineering (http://www.zotloeterer.com/our_company/water_vortex_engineering.php) - the thing in action: http://www.telem1.ch/videoplayer.php/?id=8244

High altitude wind power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_altitude_wind_power) - kites! It sounds so awesome!

Cheaper solar electricity (Nanosolar thin film) (http://www.nanosolar.com/). The problem with Nanosolar is they're using indium, which could become scarce in the near future, as it's used in LCD screens, too. Others are looking into cheaper, more abundant materials: http://www.dailycal.org/article/104462/study_finds_less_costly_materials_for_solar_panels

Low cost concentrated solar (Morgan Solar) (http://www.morgansolar.com/lgo.php)

toby
12-24-2009, 02:40 PM
Suddenly we're going to just die?? Isn't that stretching it a bit?


and even crazier to take the CHANCE that most of us will die No one can predict the future, and the scientists don't claim to. But would you even cross the street if there was a 25% chance you'd get hit by a car?

Yes, hurricanes, floods and famine tend to kill people. And it won't be like Katrina or the Tsunami, because aid and resources will become exhausted. Everyone will have to fend for themselves against these disasters while seeking their own shelter, and food and medicine. Why do you think people are feeling a sense of urgency about this?



The big shots who are pushing the climate scare project have no need to take over the world. It's just a little adjustment to move away from local decision-making.

If someone has a passion for science, they might not be interested in the politics of science at all. Then there are those who concentrate on just that: arranging things so that only certain people get key positions in the network.

The scientific penis enlarges with the amount of publications so what are you going to do, if the gatekeepers don't like your stuff? Science can be a career just like anything else. You think 90% of the world's scientists are pure in heart idealists striving for objectivity even if it means living on the poverty line? Humans live by herd instinct and scientists are no exception: they root for the winner, they are afraid to be bullied and they yield to pressure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Feyerabend#Role_of_science_in_society
No, 90% of scientists are not pure-at-heart, and that's why their consensus on climate change has meaning. But you'd disbelieve it if only 10% agreed that climate change is a threat, right? So if you wouldn't believe 10%, and you won't believe 90%, you're obviously unwilling to believe 100%, which is impossible anyway. So what are we to think of someone's opinion when they're unwilling to believe something that's based on decades of fact, no matter what? Seriously, *how much consensus do you need*?

You really have no idea of what scientists do if you think that they're as susceptable to herd mentality as McDonald's employees, everything like that is taken into account in their work. They also challenge and disprove each other if they can. How do you think they're able manipulate sub-atomic particles if they're so blind, weak-willed and bought-off? They've been diagnosing climate change for decades, why weren't they all bought off by the energy industry in the first place then? They've been cutting into the automobile and energy industries' profits for decades, industries that spend billions on PR and lobbying government. You think they just overlooked the idea of buying off these 'sheep' scientists? Now, what power is it that has more money or influence than those energy industries that's tempting these scientists?

What you're doing is digging up a few examples of questionable ethics and applying that to all of science, and ignoring the fact that there's *thousands* of studies on the climate that point to disaster.

Tonttu
12-24-2009, 05:12 PM
No, 90% of scientists are not pure-at-heart, and that's why their consensus on climate change has meaning.

I don't understand this.



But you'd disbelieve it if only 10% agreed that climate change is a threat, right? So if you wouldn't believe 10%, and you won't believe 90%, you're obviously unwilling to believe 100%, which is impossible anyway. So what are we to think of someone's opinion when they're unwilling to believe something that's based on decades of fact, no matter what? Seriously, *how much consensus do you need*?

Ok so it's a belief system? You are obviously not getting where I'm coming from. The problem is not the climate, which has changed constantly over hundreds of thousands of years with humanity surviving in various ways. The problem is the political and financial elite. We don't have a culture of respecting nature.
If politicians and other influentials, who were never eco activists suddenly start foaming in unison about some forecasted threat AND offer dubious solutions to avoid it they are not being honest. No, they are not even selfishly afraid for their lives, because they know they will always be better off than most people in case of emergency. They are just opportunistically pushing an agenda (global governance, more surveillance etc.).

It's a well planned script spanning decades. First the elite is in the role of the denier, then quite suddenly many of them take on an air of worry.
The right is always the arch-evil and the left represents everything that is good.
Now even the right starts expressing its fear for the future. The role of loud opposition stays only with the most repulsive parts of the right: the architect of Thatcherian nightmares, Monckton, and a bunch of xenophobic meatheads. And Fox News.
Now everybody is all like, "even the stupid politicans are waking up, come on Copenhagen, work dammit!". Then their dreams are crushed.

The next move from these planetary gangsters is obviously to innocently suggest eroding national sovereignty as much as possible so that the political daddies can kiss it all better and make the pain go away. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6963482.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=3392178)



You really have no idea of what scientists do if you think that they're as susceptable to herd mentality as McDonald's employees, everything like that is taken into account in their work.

Well if what you say is true in practice, why is the scientific community still pumping out anti-nature "discoveries" like there's no tomorrow? Wait a minute, if they weren't a beef herd during the whole of the 20th century, why did we end up with a poisoned environment??



They also challenge and disprove each other if they can.

There's also a difference between challenging a whole paradigm and challenging some of it's details.


How do you think they're able manipulate sub-atomic particles if they're so blind, weak-willed and bought-off?

I dunno, I guess I could manipulate sub-atomic particles just fine, if I was getting paid? Actually, now that you mentioned particles, my dad does work for CERN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN) sometimes.
Oppenheimer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppenheimer) displayed strong will, but only after he had already manipulated those unfortunate particles. Somehow the way you use "herd" and "weak-willed" makes it sound like being "against the Divine Will".



They've been cutting into the automobile and energy industries' profits for decades, industries that spend billions on PR and lobbying government.

Cutting into, but have they actually managed to cut anything out yet?



What you're doing is digging up a few examples of questionable ethics and applying that to all of science, and ignoring the fact that there's *thousands* of studies on the climate that point to disaster.

If you are referring to the CRU emails, they are not examples of some back row nobodys. They provide evidence from the forefront of climatic research. Remember: the emails and the events that followed them at the time show that these people could influence whole editorial staffs of important publications. Corrupting the peer review process was as natural as breathing to them. In my country, professors of climate science have expressed their disappointment regarding this and they are not even skeptical of AGW!
Also, this isn't hard science, but statistical acrobatics of the most extreme kind (global averages). It is common knowledge, how statistics are an excellent method to give a biased view.

I would like to see a scientific culture with deep biomimetic (http://www.iop.org/EJ/journal/bioinsp) understanding and patience to not apply every damned thing in practice immediately just because we can *COUGH*GMOs*COUGH*. Wow, I just coughed up some GMOs, which, as you know, are being presented as a wholesome solution to global problems arising from things LIKE CLIMATE frigging CHaNGE..

Hey Newtek, if you can somehow make CORE look like it's going to help with the climate problem.. ACT NOW!!

Megalodon: You are right that we have to change our tech, but emissions trade does nothing to help! And large scale removal of CO2 from the atmosphere with some special devices (by the millions) (http://arizonageology.blogspot.com/2008/08/tucson-company-plans-millions-of-co2.html) does nothing to help stop real pollution (carbon monoxide, tiny particles..). It just uses up more resources.

toby
12-24-2009, 09:46 PM
I don't understand this.What that means is; since they aren't all of one mind, anything that they do agree on carries more weight.



Ok so it's a belief system? You are obviously not getting where I'm coming from. The problem is not the climate, which has changed constantly over hundreds of thousands of years with humanity surviving in various ways.
Climate being the problem is exactly what we're debating here. The climate cycle has been taken into account, and the temperature has never increased this fast.



The problem is the political and financial elite. We don't have a culture of respecting nature. If politicians and other influentials, who were never eco activists suddenly start foaming in unison about some forecasted threat AND offer dubious solutions to avoid it they are not being honest. No, they are not even selfishly afraid for their lives, because they know they will always be better off than most people in case of emergency. They are just opportunistically pushing an agenda (global governance, more surveillance etc.).
So, simply because they're trying to take advantage of climate change means that it doesn't exist? Could it possibly be that they changed their minds because they saw enough evidence?



It's a well planned script spanning decades. First the elite is in the role of the denier, then quite suddenly many of them take on an air of worry.
Do you have the tiniest bit of evidence for this? Evidence that's not circumstantial. And "quite suddenly" is pretty subjective.

This sounds like "The Man" type conspiracy theory, except you haven't suggested what motive they might have besides a regular paycheck. "Future scientists will have to find an excuse to keep their jobs, so let's start a conspiracy with research labs in every nation on earth"? That's all you've presented so far.



The right is always the arch-evil and the left represents everything that is good.
Now even the right starts expressing its fear for the future. The role of loud opposition stays only with the most repulsive parts of the right: the architect of Thatcherian nightmares, Monckton, and a bunch of xenophobic meatheads. And Fox News.
Now everybody is all like, "even the stupid politicans are waking up, come on Copenhagen, work dammit!". Then their dreams are crushed.

The next move from these planetary gangsters is obviously to innocently suggest eroding national sovereignty as much as possible so that the political daddies can kiss it all better and make the pain go away. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6963482.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=3392178)
This is *not* evidence that climate change is not a threat, or even that there's some devious purpose to a one-world government. If climate change is a threat, and 1 or 2 countries stonewall reforms, we're all screwed. That's what Brown is trying to avoid here, he wants the majority to prevail - what's wrong with that? And he's merely calling for it, not ordering some army of clones.



Well if what you say is true in practice, why is the scientific community still pumping out anti-nature "discoveries" like there's no tomorrow?
No idea what you mean


Wait a minute, if they weren't a beef herd during the whole of the 20th century, why did we end up with a poisoned environment??

Are the science bodies all-powerful? You think they had the authority to close down factories? You don't think the oil companies don't have more power in government than they do?



There's also a difference between challenging a whole paradigm and challenging some of it's details.
So I take it that you think most scientists don't believe in climate change, they're just being mis-represented by "the elite" ( who you haven't named yet btw ), who also manage to keep the vast majority of them silent, world-wide?



I dunno, I guess I could manipulate sub-atomic particles just fine, if I was getting paid?
You miss my point. How could scientists achieve things like the ability to manipulate sub-atomic particles, make cel phones work around the world, satellites that can pick up the difference in gravity on the ground below them, things that are based on generations of study, if they're so easily mis-lead?



Actually, now that you mentioned particles, my dad does work for CERN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN) sometimes.
That's cool, my brother has worked for nasa and other space agencies in the U.S. and Italy.



Oppenheimer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppenheimer) displayed strong will, but only after he had already manipulated those unfortunate particles. Somehow the way you use "herd" and "weak-willed" makes it sound like being "against the Divine Will".

No idea what you're talking about here



Cutting into, but have they actually managed to cut anything out yet?
What are you talking about, reducing emissions? Yes they've contributed to that.



If you are referring to the CRU emails, they are not examples of some back row nobodys. They provide evidence from the forefront of climatic research. Remember: the emails and the events that followed them at the time show that these people could influence whole editorial staffs of important publications. Corrupting the peer review process was as natural as breathing to them. In my country, professors of climate science have expressed their disappointment regarding this and they are not even skeptical of AGW!
Also, this isn't hard science, but statistical acrobatics of the most extreme kind (global averages). It is common knowledge, how statistics are an excellent method to give a biased view.

No I was not referring to the emails, I was reffering to whatever it is that makes you think that the people leading the scientific organizations are conspirators.

But since you brought up the emails,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg

Tonttu
12-25-2009, 05:39 AM
So, simply because they're trying to take advantage of climate change means that it doesn't exist? Could it possibly be that they changed their minds because they saw enough evidence?

About them changing their minds: judging by the actions they propose, I would have to say no. At least not the leaders of the pack. I don't know if you've witnessed close up public lying as a means to reach a goal.

I am myself in the middle of a 4M euro case that affects about 200 people, where aggressive smear tactics and technical, purpose-oriented lying has been used to spin the heads of laymen, who have no education on the matter. To me, this small-scale project is hard evidence that some people truly will use the most outrageous of tactics to steer things where they want. In technical matters, the general public has to decide which specialist to trust and it can be very confusing.



And "quite suddenly" is pretty subjective.

Al Gore's documentary seemed to be a signal of some sort. Hey, I grew up with belief in AGW in the 1980s, but the politicians sure never did anything about it. You are right that it's my subjective experience.



"Future scientists will have to find an excuse to keep their jobs, so let's start a conspiracy with research labs in every nation on earth"? That's all you've presented so far.

The communication doesn't have to be direct and open worded "ok thousands of my colleagues, let's start being really biased". They just notice what is the trend in getting stuff published, how their research is received. And they trust their professors when they are getting their education in the first place.



If climate change is a threat, and 1 or 2 countries stonewall reforms, we're all screwed.

First there is the question of is there a warming trend, second is how massive is it and third is are we screwed, even though prehistoric man has lived in much warmer conditions just fine. If AGW is real, then we just have to deal with the consequences of our past actions, but the error behind those actions reaches obviously much deeper. The focus on the greenhouse effect is distorting the whole bigger picture of how wastefully we live and have lived for so long.



No idea what you mean

By anti-nature I meant stuff like genetic manipulation, cloning, developing new synthetic medicines.



Are the science bodies all-powerful? You think they had the authority to close down factories? You don't think the oil companies don't have more power in government than they do?

We agree here. Money dictates. But there has also been a hubris that allowed them to ignore the damage to the environment their research brought about. I mean, they didn't consider it from the start. As I've said, there has been no culture of taking that into account. What mattered was to get new tech out for the well-being of mankind.



So I take it that you think most scientists don't believe in climate change, they're just being mis-represented by "the elite" ( who you haven't named yet btw ), who also manage to keep the vast majority of them silent, world-wide?

No, I don't think like that. The proportion is not "most". The paradigm was established long ago and students are educated to trust it. The young ones understand that if they want to land a job in the field, they'd better believe it. I could start going OT about development aid and the political science behind it, how young people just submit to working in something they know isn't really helping much..
I don't have to name anybody of "the elite", it is just evident that many people with lots of money and/or power are influencing this. It is a stampeding herd of globalists.



You miss my point. How could scientists achieve things like the ability to manipulate sub-atomic particles, make cel phones work around the world, satellites that can pick up the difference in gravity on the ground below them, things that are based on generations of study, if they're so easily mis-lead?

If they were granted peace to work on the subjects you mention, you have no point. Manipulating those atoms sure wasn't a good idea. And cell phone technology was rushed to the market just like so many other things without proper studying of it's effects on health and the environment. This style of rushing things out like we absolutely have to have them now is a huge problem.



No idea what you're talking about here

I meant that Oppenheimer didn't stop to think what his work would lead to. It has nothing to do with willpower! It is just a matter of conviction.

If someone believes that genetic manipulation is just dandy, they will use their willpower to advance this field of research. What they would really need is a broader approach and patience before billions are invested in some field, which then becomes a harmful institution that is real hard to stop.

What do you think about my dreams of deep-level biomimicry? Do you think pharmaceuticals are ok, because there is a consensus of doctors? What about all the chemicals related to food production and refinement? GMOs?
http://cleantechnica.com/2009/11/23/polaris-arpa-e-pump-money-into-noceras-breakthrough-in-biomimic-photosynthesis/
http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/728

Well anyway I'm not all :2guns: here, opinions are like buttholes, sometimes you switch to a brand new one (wait, what??). The important thing is you climate-concerned citizens don't eat meat, ride a bike and so on.. right?? Just don't be enraged at your neighbor, if he refuses to install that CO2-collector.

Shiny_Mike
12-25-2009, 05:41 AM
I think I'd rather lean away from this type of discussion, yet it is awkward when the word "science" is used as a gavel rather than a question mark. Science IS a question mark, in any language, in any country, at any time.

Please, do not ever forget that science is a question mark.

Tonttu
12-25-2009, 05:50 AM
And yet we still have a majority concensus that climate change is happening. Apparently these hacked emails have been selectively dispersed and quoted out of context. And... since YOU have no real idea as to what they REALLY say (in their entirety), you cannot say that they do any real harm to the climate debate. Unless of course you just want to repeat what naysayers have been saying all along.


Well, check out this guy we have here in Finland:
http://www.helsinki.fi/bioscience/ecru/people/professor.htm
He has been pretty outspoken about the damage these hacked or leaked emails have done to the image of the field. He knows some people in the emails (Phil Jones for example) and he is no skeptic of climate change.

Atte Korhola: “What’s alarming here, in my opinion, is that a lot of these e-mails indicate that the author is a person with a strong mission, belief in being right, and that this somehow justifies taking exceptions from normal practices in science like peer review or openness, self-criticism and the like, basic elements of science.”

”... blacklists are kept of scientists whose work should not be seen in scientific publications, and boycotts are proposed against scientific magazines if they have published critical views.”

Source: http://ohjelmat.yle.fi/mot/viime_viikon_mot/transcript_english

Shiny_Mike
12-25-2009, 05:57 AM
Well, check out this guy we have here in Finland:
http://www.helsinki.fi/bioscience/ecru/people/professor.htm
He has been pretty outspoken about the damage these hacked or leaked emails have done to the image of the field. He knows some people in the emails (Phil Jones for example) and he is no skeptic of climate change.

Atte Korhola: “What’s alarming here, in my opinion, is that a lot of these e-mails indicate that the author is a person with a strong mission, belief in being right, and that this somehow justifies taking exceptions from normal practices in science like peer review or openness, self-criticism and the like, basic elements of science.”

”... blacklists are kept of scientists whose work should not be seen in scientific publications, and boycotts are proposed against scientific magazines if they have published critical views.”

Source: http://ohjelmat.yle.fi/mot/viime_viikon_mot/transcript_english


Not exactly new; look into how Henk Tennekes lost his job.. many years ago. Korhola is only recently "getting it"

Shiny_Mike
12-25-2009, 07:05 AM
But please don't get me wrong, I think the question is really; what will be the effect? How large or how small? The CRU leak only shows that people were willing to greatly exaggerate the case for a large effect, yes, to the point that they mislead the public, in this case 'the public' meant the whole world I guess. Abhorrent, yeah, but it happened, what ya gonna do? Especially considering that many were or have been lead IPCC authors.

Does that mean I think that more well-mixed GHG's in a clear-sky atmosphere will NOT warm us up (on average?) ? Nah, Stellar Structure and Stellar Atmospheres by Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar leads me to think otherwise, but who believes in science these days when ya can have a simplistic religion instead?

Tonttu
12-25-2009, 08:17 AM
Thanks for the Tennekes tip. I guess if the reason for his firing was his view on contemporary climate science, this column from the year 1990 would be an example: http://www.climatesci.org/files/sideways.pdf



A recent issue of Scientific American bears the pretentious title ‘Managing Planet Earth’. The United States Environmental Protection Agency has launched a program to ‘Stabilize the Climate System’. I am terrified by the hubris, the conceit, the arrogance implied by words like these.

Hey he used "hubris", too :)

Btw, I have no problem with a simplistic eco-religion, like that supported by MIT's Nocera in my link above:


..there is something much bigger than us, which we forget about the earth. And she is much more powerful than us. She'll get rid of us if we don't take care of her.

I groan, when paranoid right-wing christians talk about how respecting Mother Earth is a satanic new age conspiracy.
Our actions are best motivated by compassion for our planet and not by fear.

Mike_RB
12-25-2009, 12:33 PM
Do you think pharmaceuticals are ok, because there is a consensus of doctors? What about all the chemicals related to food production and refinement? GMOs?

Bring it. Sign me up for full blown genetic creations, nano technology, and AI. Let's get the tools to actually have some say over things, no more of this crude tech we've been limited to until now.

OnlineRender
12-25-2009, 12:45 PM
no more of this crude tech we've been limited to until now.

What is that they say ? Technology is held back 50 + years .

1) for revenue ,tax and sales .
2) if we release it , the world will crash ..........

Edit ----------------

I have mentioned this before , but I think it has relevance .
When I was 17 I worked in a plastics company ! nothing special just putting small amounts of glue onto plastic clips "mind numbing stuff but it paid "

anyway , this was 10 years ago , We made TV moulds , one day we got a new shell in and there was a hole at the top of the mould , just above the screen .
when I asked " what is that hole for "
I got "it's for a web camera "
now that was 10 years ago , these TV have just been shipped !

Tonttu
12-25-2009, 01:28 PM
Bring it. Sign me up for full blown genetic creations, nano technology, and AI. Let's get the tools to actually have some say over things, no more of this crude tech we've been limited to until now.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2852/raell.jpg

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/experts_agree_giant_razor_clawed

Sonk
12-25-2009, 02:02 PM
man made climate change is a scam/BS. This thread is about global warming right?

tischbein3
12-25-2009, 02:12 PM
Bring it. Sign me up for full blown genetic creations, nano technology, and AI. Let's get the tools to actually have some say over things, no more of this crude tech we've been limited to until now.

Well I've seen the tendency in industrialised food processing:
If done well it works, and in fact we won't be able to nurish enough people without it in future. (for one thing, industrialised food is in fact a good thing for enviroments: since in general it is less wastefull on ressources)

unfortunately when it is combined with "modern capitalism" ( = production triangle on full throttle between fast and cheap)
- things can get very dark.

Mike_RB
12-25-2009, 02:59 PM
man made climate change is a scam/BS. This thread is about global warming right?

Disagree.

Sonk
12-25-2009, 03:57 PM
Disagree.

NASA says otherwise - the proof are in the images. Were having solar system wide climate change, its happen on every planet even our sun. Damn ET's need to stop driving their big SUVs because its changing the Mars climate :D

BTW i bought the District 9 Blu-Ray, good stuff!

Riff_Masteroff
12-25-2009, 04:08 PM
aaahhh, now I understand: "the pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles"

(last line)
http://www.bobdylan.com/#/songs/subterranean-homesick-blues

toby
12-26-2009, 12:21 AM
About them changing their minds: judging by the actions they propose, I would have to say no. At least not the leaders of the pack. I don't know if you've witnessed close up public lying as a means to reach a goal.Of course I have! It's right there in my signature.

"No"? So it's *impossible* that they were convinced by evidence? Just because "politicians lie" doesn't mean that everything they've ever done or said is the complete opposite of the truth.


I am myself in the middle of a 4M euro case that affects about 200 people, where aggressive smear tactics and technical, purpose-oriented lying has been used to spin the heads of laymen, who have no education on the matter. To me, this small-scale project is hard evidence that some people truly will use the most outrageous of tactics to steer things where they want. In technical matters, the general public has to decide which specialist to trust and it can be very confusing.And you're accusing almost every research body in the world of having the same deceit -

How about we choose the one that offers the best odds for our survival? All we have to lose is pollution and some 'cool' suv's.



Al Gore's documentary seemed to be a signal of some sort. Hey, I grew up with belief in AGW in the 1980s, but the politicians sure never did anything about it. You are right that it's my subjective experience.

The communication doesn't have to be direct and open worded "ok thousands of my colleagues, let's start being really biased". They just notice what is the trend in getting stuff published, how their research is received. And they trust their professors when they are getting their education in the first place.
You're convicting way too many people of dishonesty, in an industry where facts and hard data rule more than in any other industry, for me to buy it. I'd also have to buy the idea that a world-wide tendancy if not conspiracy, to exaggerate the truth in the same way, on the same subject, at the same time, to such an absurd degree, with very little return, is likely.



First there is the question of is there a warming trend, second is how massive is it and third is are we screwed, even though prehistoric man has lived in much warmer conditions just fine.I'm really not excited about the idea of just a percentage of us surviving in caves. If you're fine with that, you must be a hard-core anarchist or earth-first-er.



If AGW is real, then we just have to deal with the consequences of our past actions, but the error behind those actions reaches obviously much deeper. The focus on the greenhouse effect is distorting the whole bigger picture of how wastefully we live and have lived for so long.
We are wasteful but look how hard it is to get everyone to reduce emissions, then imagine how hard it would be to get everyone to go along with even more radical change you're suggesting. You're advocating something that may be too late to do us any good.



By anti-nature I meant stuff like genetic manipulation, cloning, developing new synthetic medicines.Ah ok. Then back to the original question:

everything like [herd mentality] is taken into account in their work.


Well if what you say is true in practice, why is the scientific community still pumping out anti-nature "discoveries" like there's no tomorrow?
I don't think that has anything to do with herd-mentality, more their own morality. It actually shows the opposite of the herd mentality; with wide differences in what they believe, which, again, gives more weight to the consensus.


We agree here. Money dictates. But there has also been a hubris that allowed them to ignore the damage to the environment their research brought about. I mean, they didn't consider it from the start. As I've said, there has been no culture of taking that into account. What mattered was to get new tech out for the well-being of mankind.Like I mentioned before I think you're painting a greenpeace climatologist with the same brush as a Mobil Oil chemist. Some people become scientists because it's a good paying job, they don't care about the environment. But those people wouldn't go to work for non-profit or government funded research of the environment.



No, I don't think like that. The proportion is not "most". The paradigm was established long ago and students are educated to trust it. The young ones understand that if they want to land a job in the field, they'd better believe it. I could start going OT about development aid and the political science behind it, how young people just submit to working in something they know isn't really helping much..
I don't have to name anybody of "the elite", it is just evident that many people with lots of money and/or power are influencing this. It is a stampeding herd of globalists."lots of money and power" like who? You don't have to name individuals, just *something*. Who/what stands to gain so much from this that it offsets how much money 'everyone' is going to lose? Especially when the energy companies who have the most and stand to lose the most? I don't see how the paradigm is stronger than multi-billionares and trillion-dollar industries.



If they were granted peace to work on the subjects you mention, you have no point.
So why do you think that they can detect what chemicals are in a comet, but their prediction a global crisis has 0% chance of being accurate? Scientists made processors go 1000 times faster over just a few years without overheating much less exploding, but somehow, using the same basic scientific methods of testing and peer review with climate change must be a scam?



I meant that Oppenheimer didn't stop to think what his work would lead to. It has nothing to do with willpower! It is just a matter of conviction.

If someone believes that genetic manipulation is just dandy, they will use their willpower to advance this field of research. What they would really need is a broader approach and patience before billions are invested in some field, which then becomes a harmful institution that is real hard to stop.

What do you think about my dreams of deep-level biomimicry?
It's a fine idea, that will probably never happen. The companies that pay for research are not going to put off profits for the reasons you mentioned. The amount of conservation we practice will always be influenced by fanatics who think we don't need to conserve or protect anything at all.


Do you think pharmaceuticals are ok, because there is a consensus of doctors? What about all the chemicals related to food production and refinement? GMOs?Let me put it this way; if there was very little food left, and there was a consensus that GMOs were safe, I'd be fine with it. In other words if my life depended on them and they were the best source of information, yes I'd go along with it.

Tonttu
12-26-2009, 03:13 AM
"lots of money and power" like who? You don't have to name individuals, just *something*. Who/what stands to gain so much from this that it offsets how much money 'everyone' is going to lose? Especially when the energy companies who have the most and stand to lose the most? I don't see how the paradigm is stronger than multi-billionares and trillion-dollar industries.

I think I've made myself clear on how pushing for a global government (governance being the new term) is obviously linked to the climate fearmongering. Some people are certainly seeing that as a desirable change. And the position of energy companies might not be as black-and-white as one would be quick to presume. For an objective view, you could think up various ways the companies could still profit riding this trend. They have the capital (and the electrical infrastructure) for sure, so what's stopping them from expanding to new areas?



So why do you think that they can detect what chemicals are in a comet, but their prediction a global crisis has 0% chance of being accurate? Scientists made processors go 1000 times faster over just a few years without overheating much less exploding, but somehow, using the same basic scientific methods of testing and peer review with climate change must be a scam?

Predicting the future is a different thing than detecting chemicals that are somewhere right now. It is futurology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurology), looking into a crystal ball. I have a relative in that scientific field, too.



Let me put it this way; if there was very little food left, and there was a consensus that GMOs were safe, I'd be fine with it. In other words if my life depended on them and they were the best source of information, yes I'd go along with it.

I have understood science works by hypotheses and falsification, so you don't need consensus. One guy can disprove a hypothesis.

Iain
12-26-2009, 04:13 AM
This thread is about global warming right?

You have no idea. Not even close. The big glaring ticket came and went and you forgot to scan the barcode my friend.

Glebe was a good egg but it seems they have cracked him.
Requiescant in pace.............

toby
12-26-2009, 03:39 PM
I think I've made myself clear on how pushing for a global government (governance being the new term) is obviously linked to the climate fearmongering. Some people are certainly seeing that as a desirable change. And the position of energy companies might not be as black-and-white as one would be quick to presume. For an objective view, you could think up various ways the companies could still profit riding this trend. They have the capital (and the electrical infrastructure) for sure, so what's stopping them from expanding to new areas?
What you have not made clear is who or what has enough unity, power, influence, and motivation to pull off a global scam, or a history of deceit ( has the world-wide science community tried to decieve the public before? ). Energy companies may be able to profit (though I doubt it, imagine what it would cost to rebuild every factory to be green) but they would not be able to profit as much, so there's no reason for them to try a global scam. You'd be saying they were colluding with environmentalists at that point too. There's not much here to conclude that this is likely to be a scam.



Predicting the future is a different thing than detecting chemicals that are somewhere right now. It is futurology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurology), looking into a crystal ball. I have a relative in that scientific field, too.
Futurology: "It is considered as a topic in philosophy. Some claim it is a science, or art. In general, it can be considered as a branch under the more general scope of the field of history"

That doesn't describe the study of climate change anymore than it describes biology. Do you think they don't use systematic testing and peer review?

When you have known facts about what keeps our environment habitable while being bombarded by the sun's radiation, it's pretty easy to guess what will happen when those things are lost, and that doesn't require a scam or crystal ball.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic_thinice.html

OnlineRender
12-26-2009, 03:55 PM
Cyxymu

Tonttu
12-27-2009, 04:16 AM
That doesn't describe the study of climate change anymore than it describes biology. Do you think they don't use systematic testing and peer review?

How can you test and peer review the future?



When you have known facts about what keeps our environment habitable while being bombarded by the sun's radiation, it's pretty easy to guess what will happen when those things are lost, and that doesn't require a scam or crystal ball.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic_thinice.html

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/antarctic_melting.html

What's Holding Antarctic Sea Ice Back From Melting?
09.01.09

Global temperatures are increasing. Sea levels are rising. Ice sheets in many areas of the world are retreating. Yet there’s something peculiar going on in the oceans around Antarctica: even as global air and ocean temperatures march upward, the extent of the sea ice around the southern continent isn’t decreasing. In fact, it's increasing.
....
Since the late-1970s, the area covered by Antarctic sea ice has increased by approximately one percent per decade.

toby
12-27-2009, 05:29 AM
How can you test and peer review the future?
You don't have to, you just have to stop comparing it to futurology. It's not the same thing. Everything is a prediction if you want to take it that far, it's just argumentative.



http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/antarctic_melting.html

What's Holding Antarctic Sea Ice Back From Melting?
09.01.09

Global temperatures are increasing. Sea levels are rising. Ice sheets in many areas of the world are retreating. Yet there’s something peculiar going on in the oceans around Antarctica: even as global air and ocean temperatures march upward, the extent of the sea ice around the southern continent isn’t decreasing. In fact, it's increasing.
....
Since the late-1970s, the area covered by Antarctic sea ice has increased by approximately one percent per decade.
Is that all it takes for you to believe that there's *no possible chance* of drastic climate change? If there's a back-and-forth debate about whether we all lose our homes and most of us die, isn't it prudent to avoid the chance anyway? Again, all we have to lose is pollution. I don't see why you have a problem with that.

Tonttu
12-27-2009, 06:35 AM
Is that all it takes for you to believe that there's *no possible chance* of drastic climate change? If there's a back-and-forth debate about whether we all lose our homes and most of us die, isn't it prudent to avoid the chance anyway? Again, all we have to lose is pollution. I don't see why you have a problem with that.

Like I've repeated a few times, I only see a problem in the way this fear is used as a means to advance political agendas. What if the politicians/bankers/globalists get where they want and still continue with a feeble approach to environmental protection?
Is the amount of thinking and money that goes to solving how we could clean up polluted ecosystems (plastic oceans anyone?) even remotely comparable to the "carbon cause"?
NY Times: Earth-Friendly Elements, Mined Destructively (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/26/business/global/26rare.html?_r=3&ref=todayspaper)

Megalodon mentioned the aspect of time and profit. From my viewpoint the combustion tech scene has been squeezing those last drops for a few decades already. I've felt the pain of that squeezing for way too long. They made big investments to the tech a long time ago and I would at least think they've churned themselves some decent profits already.

Shiny_Mike
12-27-2009, 09:59 AM
Argh, a late night on Xmas eve drinking far too much rum and I come on here and make a few rather inane posts, good deal 8~

I see I used the "R" word, just wanted to apologize if that caused any offense.

OnlineRender
12-27-2009, 10:06 AM
Argh, a late night on Xmas eve drinking far too much rum and I come on here and make a few rather inane posts, good deal 8~

I see I used the "R" word, just wanted to apologize if that caused any offense.

Now I need to go and read all your posts :P , don't appoligize and think most where intoxic these few nights , or was that just me :rock:

toby
12-27-2009, 07:09 PM
Like I've repeated a few times, I only see a problem in the way this fear is used as a means to advance political agendas. What if the politicians/bankers/globalists get where they want and still continue with a feeble approach to environmental protection?
"What if"? With an attitude like that there's no reason to try and improve the world at all. Do you think it's better to do nothing? Especially when they'll probably get their global government anyway? The takeover of the american monetary system happened 100 years ago, they're smarter and much richer now. And it didn't exactly enslave us anyway.

There's no guarantee that efforts to reduce climate change will even work. But it's better than covering your ears, putting your head between your knees and kissing your @ss goodbye. Do you think the possibility of a nuclear winter was a scam? Were the arms treaties just tactics to get more political power?

If you had a choice between:

1. a global governing body, something like an expanded U.N., but more corrupt

or

2. 2/3 of the worlds' population dead, and the remaining 1/3 living in caves fighting off predators with spears

which would you choose?



Is the amount of thinking and money that goes to solving how we could clean up polluted ecosystems (plastic oceans anyone?) even remotely comparable to the "carbon cause"?
It's probably about as comparable as [living in harmony with nature] is to [the complete destruction of human civilization]. Cleaning up polluted ecosystems is a complete waste of time if the world is going towards self-destruction, we won't be around long enough to get to a point where we're not polluting the earth, much less enjoy it.



NY Times: Earth-Friendly Elements, Mined Destructively (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/26/business/global/26rare.html?_r=3&ref=todayspaper)
Yes I read that, all that's needed is a 'green' way of extracting the rare earth materials, which would be dead-simple if more people were willing to admit that climate change is a real possibility.


Megalodon mentioned the aspect of time and profit. From my viewpoint the combustion tech scene has been squeezing those last drops for a few decades already. I've felt the pain of that squeezing for way too long. They made big investments to the tech a long time ago and I would at least think they've churned themselves some decent profits already.Alternative energy is *nowhere* near being as profitable as oil. If it was, the oil companies would be parading their 'green' efforts so much it would make us sick. They're trying to look green with their oil products as it is.

Petition to regulate emissions in the U.S.
http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/stationary_sources/?r=5125&id=7165-514506-rjfOOkx

Tonttu
12-28-2009, 04:00 AM
"What if"? With an attitude like that there's no reason to try and improve the world at all. Do you think it's better to do nothing? Especially when they'll probably get their global government anyway?

With an attitude like this, how do you explain the fact that I'm "improving" the world, if you judge by my life style and the example I'm giving to others? My gf turned vegetarian without me even once imposing guilt upon her. Btw. are you veg, toby & Megalodon?



If you had a choice between:

1. a global governing body, something like an expanded U.N., but more corrupt

or

2. 2/3 of the worlds' population dead, and the remaining 1/3 living in caves fighting off predators with spears

which would you choose?


I would have a lot more choices, if a large enough group of honest people would take action and totally reform everything. Unfortunately, it is very hard to find enough people for a huge thing like that. So, I don't choose anything - I have to be flexible and adapt.
Just like in that 4 million euro case I mentioned that affects me directly: I did what I could, but a strong enough group to oppose the corrupted ones on the other side didn't materialize. It was something I could directly influence, but my dependence on the capacity of people to understand when they are being lied to proved to be the ultimate obstacle. It's the same problem with this global warming hysteria: people usually don't want to face that they are being straight up lied to. And loudly accusing someone of lying can make you look like a repulsive whiner, which is why not many want to show their support.

If I had a choice between being a Swiss banker with a corrupt soul or a North Korean worker with the ability to feel compassion, I'd probably choose to be the N. Korean. Pretty useless questions IMO, though. The large social systems we have now are practically like forces of nature for us little people.

Alt. energy might not be as profitable as oil to the big companies, but for us individuals it can be a different story. Here in Finland a solar vacuum pipe system can offer half the costs of heating compared to oil. You can be sure I'll improve the world by advertising this stuff and non-centralized energy production in general to everybody.

toby
12-28-2009, 05:18 PM
With an attitude like this, how do you explain the fact that I'm "improving" the world, if you judge by my life style and the example I'm giving to others? My gf turned vegetarian without me even once imposing guilt upon her. Btw. are you veg, toby & Megalodon?
What you do at home is not what I'm talking about, and I'm certainly not talking about guilt, I'm talking about your expression "what if the polticians get what they want then do nothing". It doesn't make sense, because no matter how green you live at home, factories will dump the most toxic waste that it's legal to, cars will be built with maimum emission controls, etc. The only way to deal with those issues is through politicians. As a matter of fact, without poiliticians, all the factories in the world would be dumping untreated sludge.



I would have a lot more choices, if a large enough group of honest people would take action and totally reform everything. Unfortunately, it is very hard to find enough people for a huge thing like that. So, I don't choose anything - I have to be flexible and adapt.
Just like in that 4 million euro case I mentioned that affects me directly: I did what I could, but a strong enough group to oppose the corrupted ones on the other side didn't materialize. It was something I could directly influence, but my dependence on the capacity of people to understand when they are being lied to proved to be the ultimate obstacle. It's the same problem with this global warming hysteria: people usually don't want to face that they are being straight up lied to. And loudly accusing someone of lying can make you look like a repulsive whiner, which is why not many want to show their support.

If I had a choice between being a Swiss banker with a corrupt soul or a North Korean worker with the ability to feel compassion, I'd probably choose to be the N. Korean. Pretty useless questions IMO, though. The large social systems we have now are practically like forces of nature for us little people.
But you are making a choice, you're choosing to try and convince people that climate change is a scam that won't come true. You've chosen to argue that politicians getting more power (something that's been happening since the dawn of civilization) is a bigger threat, and even a bigger payoff to stop them (if that were possible) than reducing emissions. And from what I can tell it's only because you don't trust politicians or scientists. You compare all of them to the worst of them in order to justify your distrust. How did you know that being vegetarian is good for the environment? A scheming, lying scientist figured it out. Are you picking and choosing what to call a lie?



Alt. energy might not be as profitable as oil to the big companies
Then you have to admit that the energy industry has no motive to support a climate change scam. In fact they would benefit greatly by disproving it, but despite having millions to spend on science, campaign contributions, marketing and lobbyists, they have failed to do so.


, but for us individuals it can be a different story. Here in Finland a solar vacuum pipe system can offer half the costs of heating compared to oil. You can be sure I'll improve the world by advertising this stuff and non-centralized energy production in general to everybody.
That helps, but if individual voluntary reduction of pollution was going to repair the earth in a reasonable amount of time, it would've worked a long time ago. "If everyone would just do what I do it would solve everything" is an incomplete solution.

glebe digital
01-06-2010, 06:42 AM
You have no idea. Not even close. The big glaring ticket came and went and you forgot to scan the barcode my friend.

Glebe was a good egg but it seems they have cracked him.
Requiescant in pace.............

Well I'm still here......:)........no hole-in-the-head yet but they did lock me up on a 'section36' for nine days. no kidding! :jam:

Qui bono?

OnlineRender
01-06-2010, 07:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/Atheistx82#p/a/69FAFF2B4987F455/0/EXVeEQteazI

toby
01-06-2010, 03:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/Atheistx82#p/a/69FAFF2B4987F455/0/EXVeEQteazI
good one

glebe digital
01-07-2010, 05:24 AM
Section36 = Dangerous lunatic on the loose; approach with caution; restrain and medicate; tag and release

:agree:
Would make a nice Sig. :D


Regardless, I stand by every post/email I've made on the interweb-thingy since my first days in ooh about '92.
:bowdown:

Iain
01-07-2010, 12:57 PM
........and I daresay most people in this thread believe you're not playing with a full deck. And THAT'S what your posts show.

Most people? Yes, you're probably right actually.

But then for a generation who regard the likes of Friends as the height of wit, surrealism and irreverence will inevitably be misunderstood.

It would have been great if this thread could have maintained the bizarre momentum it started with but it was doomed to end up confusing people into another rehash of the same old "intellectual" tripe that is completely devoid of substance, originality or interest that we get here.

Obligatory :) included.

glebe digital
01-08-2010, 02:44 AM
Pretty sad since MOST of your posts here in this thread are so full of idiotic and incomprehensible statements... it really makes you look like you were on serious medication. And if you REALLY stand by them... well... you are doing yourself and extreme disservice and I daresay most people in this thread believe you're not playing with a full deck. And THAT'S what your posts show.

Sad?...never been happier.....oh and nothin' but coffee & fags here folks........I can't help you if you lack a rich understanding of the English language, our famous dead and a love of books.

I suggest turning the tv off and start cramming immediately. :D
Respectfully I suggest you haven't been paying attention......

Peace, Love etc :hey:

glebe digital
01-08-2010, 02:48 AM
I'm a global kind of guy
I like homespun Indian sheets,
My dinner bowl's from Delft
Filled with Turkish sweetmeats.

Can't hide my admiration
For workers 'cross the land,
Who keep their shoulders high
Though they're working for the Man.

World's in **** and needs the medics?
It just don't rock my boat
You're also selling carbon credits
And our future keeping banks afloat.

We're just apes in fancy drapes
And dollars in our eyes,
When the horror of the universe
Is written in the skies.

I didn't ask to join this world
Might've been nice in the fire,
So you can't ask any more o' me
Than to ****, eat and perspire.

'Qui Bono' said the Roman voice
Who's quid's-in when things change?
Easy to sell a warm fur hat
If you control the temperature range.

When I hear the world 'culture'
I just want to get my gun,
I hate the mold we're cooking up
Let's tip it in the sun.

And while you wait the end of days
Or for Sol to torch the place,
I'll be sat here not mending my ways
While you breed for the master race.

So don't be listening to the Man
He's shined the **** since time began'
Puts the world in a neat wee can
And has got you down for an also ran.

S.M 2009

OnlineRender
01-08-2010, 02:49 AM
Sad?...never been happier.....oh and nothin' but coffee & fags here folks

FUNNY FAGS YOU MEAN :rock:



I can't help you if you lack a rich understanding of the English language, our famous dead and a love of books.

Did you see some of the gibirish you wrote ! even I had a hard time to understand .



I suggest turning the tv off and start cramming immediately. :D
Respectfully I suggest you haven't been paying attention......

Would that include monitors (",) , we have been paying attention and at time supported your rammblings .....

Peace

glebe digital
01-08-2010, 03:00 AM
@onlineRender
How's the snow down there big man?

Hard to comprehend doesn't mean there's no message........Every Python sketch has one for instance.......hey, just make up your own if you like, it's all good.

Nihil Illegitimi Corribundum.

OnlineRender
01-08-2010, 03:20 AM
http://hackersblog.org/2009/02/07/usakasperskycom-hacked-full-database-acces-sql-injection/


Fooooooooooooooken frezzing - 20 last night , there hasn't been much in the way of Snow , just ICE .......ice ice baby

toby
01-08-2010, 03:48 AM
So don't be listening to the Man
He's shined the **** since time began'
Which 'man' is that, the pro-business, profit-at-people's-expense oil companies that've been *denying* negative environmental effects for decades? Or is Greenpeace "the man"?

Or maybe *you* are being a sucker for people who have nothing but greedy or religious reasons for denying climate change?



We're just apes in fancy drapes
And dollars in our eyes,
When the horror of the universe
Is written in the skies.
But you are 'above' this, smart enough that you can see it, unlike the rest of us. "You're stupid unless you agree with me" is no more valid than a scare tactic.

Just like a troll posting "fake" on youtube, some people just get off thinking they're the smartest just by denying the common consensus, it's a fool's trick to looking clever.

toby
01-08-2010, 04:15 AM
I can't help you if you lack a rich understanding of the English language, our famous dead and a love of books.
So anyone who isn't a historian and avid book reader doesn't need to know what you're saying?? Why are you posting them on a website for computer graphics then??

Respectfully, you need to grow a new lobe, and have some arrogance removed instead.

glebe digital
01-08-2010, 04:21 AM
@toby
I haven't called anyone stupid........

I'm Pro-business but Anti-profiteering.
I don't like the military-industrial complex......no sir, I don't like it!

Hey fella I don't even DENY climate change LMFAO Of course the climate changes.....all the time, since the planet formed it's been happening.

The IPCC graphs are way too perfect....probably the most 'perfect' graphs in the history of science.......that should give everyone pause for thought.

If I come across as arrogant, well I'm sorry you read it that way......nothing could be further from my mind dude.

Best wishes :)

toby
01-08-2010, 04:48 AM
@toby
I haven't called anyone stupid........Not directly, no. But you quoted a poem that called us all "apes", it's the same thing.



Hey fella I don't even DENY climate change LMFAO Of course the climate changes.....all the time, since the planet formed it's been happening.
That's funny, because the term "climate change" was substituted for "global warming" because it was either being twisted or misunderstood by people who didn't understand the science... but you managed to do it again anyway.



The IPCC graphs are way too perfect....probably the most 'perfect' graphs in the history of science.......that should give everyone pause for thought.

That's interesting, so why aren't all the multi-billionares who stand to lose billions on climate change, *and* who have scientists on their own payroll, pointing out this falsehood that you find so obvious?



I'm Pro-business

And a global warming denier - that explains everything.

glebe digital
01-08-2010, 05:43 AM
Boy that's some chip you're carrying Toby....what you so angry about?

Apes: we'll I'm an Ape too.....what's the problem?
Climate change: using AGW left some confused as to the meaning.....they both relate to the same thing, didn't realise I would have to spell it out for kindergarden [yep I'm being 'nasty' with that quip, but it's as nasty as I get] lol
IPCC graphs: Well I can see you have not done any research of your own but are happy to absorb Gov sponsored BS like it was popcorn.
Denier: Yeah that's right.....Gordon Brown uses that 'D' word because he thinks the plebs will assume we deny other -more horrble- things. You know what I'm talking about.

glebe digital
01-08-2010, 06:35 AM
Article: The greatest threat of the 21st century: not AGW but Eco-Fascism

"As you freeze your butt off in a winter whose severity the politicised weather forecasters of the Met Office utterly failed to predict, and as you wonder how you can afford gas and electricity bills which have been grotesquely inflated by taxes and legislation designed to “combat global warming”, spare a thought for a fellow victim of eco-fascism who’s even worse off than you. In a week or so this poor man could be dead.

His name is Peter Spencer, he’s a farmer in New South Wales, and his livelihood has been stolen by the Australian government in the name of – you guessed it – “combatting climate change.” That’s why he is now sitting atop that windblown tower you see in the photograph, on sheep farmland rendered useless by eco-legislation, starving himself to death in protest at his government’s callous disregard for his property rights. This is his 46th day on hunger strike."

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100021577/the-greatest-threat-of-the-21st-century-not-agw-but-eco-fascism/

glebe digital
01-08-2010, 03:44 PM
Oh boy. :hey:
Have I asked for underdstanding? You guys keep posting, I'm only replying...you could let the thread lie & I would no bother.

And lots of use of the word 'crap' there......showing your level maybe. 8/

Final words:
Get one of the following, lose the other.
http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/BookFinalB.jpg

http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/Hal2.jpg

No the answer is not 'a book'......happy hunting. :)

I would like to also say Curt, you the man. Much respect & best wishes.

toby
01-08-2010, 05:55 PM
Have I asked for underdstanding?
You guys keep posting, I'm only replying...you could let the thread lie & I would no bother.
And still more word games. Why don't you take these games to your local high school, they may still work there.



Final words:

I've heard that before too. If only we could get so lucky.



Get one of the following, lose the other.
http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/BookFinalB.jpg

http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/Hal2.jpg

No the answer is not 'a book'......happy hunting. :)

Your arrogance is pretty obvious. Anyone idiot can throw up something obscure and act like he's the smartest because no one else has his "rich understanding of the english language" Seriously man, that's arrogant as sh[t.

Soth
01-08-2010, 05:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/Atheistx82#p/a/69FAFF2B4987F455/0/EXVeEQteazI

awesome video

glebe digital
01-09-2010, 02:48 AM
Yeah it's a good vid.

So much anger up there LMAO ...... guys like that used to burn people like me in the renaissance. I bet Giordano Bruno would have had a field day with y'all.

Honestly, you're inability to understand me should not make you cross, regardless of whether it's gobbldygook or not.
For argument's sake let's assume either:

A: I'm delusional
B: Nervous breakdown
C: Mid-life crisis
D: Insane
E: Autistic
F: stressed and overworked.
etc etc

Do you laugh/poke-fun at cripples too? Insult the village idiot as if it's somehow clever? Bill Hicks did a very funny routine on the subject....

You really couldn't offend me & I don't believe I can offend you either. :)

OnlineRender
01-09-2010, 04:27 AM
awesome video

Ye I thought it was rather good myself ! recently I've been reading and watching alot of content of this nature .
:hijack:
I also like why don't scientists fear hell ! if you do particles in LW its worth the watch for the information alone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJBbAOmJtIQ

LIFE CANNOT COME FROM NONE LIFE "newton"

Garden of Eden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pgmfDuaBpU&feature=video_response

Im not trying to porve people wrong , just like to give both sides of the story
you can make anything sound good if you have nice word play


its always nice when you get into an argument and quote stuff like this ,beats bible refferences "no offence" My wee granny is protestant as she likes to quote things from the bible , I like to counter these with some obscure mythology ......... always makes for a great conversation , she cracks me up sometimes (80) and just gave up driving !
Peace

glebe digital
01-09-2010, 07:25 AM
Hi-jack away, very interesting dude. :)

Twelve Monkeys - Mental Hospital Tour Scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOA3aYRSy_k

gordonrobb
01-10-2010, 01:20 AM
Just dropped by again, and I'm still not sure - have we ascertained if this guy is a 'nut' or not. If you aren't, then can you just post a simple, clear, succinct post of what the point of this thread is? If not, I don't mind just leaving it.

glebe digital
01-10-2010, 04:25 AM
@gordonrobb

How's it going Sir.

In a nutshell, the thread served it's only purpose on the first post; and the worthies at Newtek have shown me the great courtesy of allowing it to stand.
If the DNS attack I percieved was happening back then was -in fact- a delusion, well then it's been a very interesting few weeks.
I have spent 9 days in a Psychiatric ward being 'assessed' & have been discharged with no latent symptoms & clean bill of health.

My refusal to explain myself further has -it would seem- upset a couple of individuals, hence a series of tantrums & name calling which is all very childish.
Even more unfortunate for those few that wanted to be spoon-fed, attempts to interpret me have mostly been woefully misplaced, however the excellent & hilarious additions of Pythonesque links, Goatboy quotes & such were very much appreciated & enjoyed at this end.

I'm off to watch some Spike [Q3 series] & maybe try learn to play the spoons this afternoon. :)


from Libellus IV Corpus Hermeticum.

"...Now speech, God imparted to all men; but Mind he did not impart to all.
Not that he grudged it to any; for the grudging temper does not start from Heaven above,
But comes into being here below, in the souls of those men who are devoid of Mind."

Iain
01-10-2010, 06:22 AM
I can't believe how worked up people get over someone posting outside their humour range.

Loosen those sphincters people-do you really think it matters to anyone if you 'leave the thread'?

It's like amateur dramatists anonymous. Just don't keep coming back!

toby
01-10-2010, 02:43 PM
I can't believe how worked up people get over someone posting outside their humour range.

Loosen those sphincters people-do you really think it matters to anyone if you 'leave the thread'?

It's like amateur dramatists anonymous. Just don't keep coming back!
Well *excuse me* if I respond to arrogant lies by trying to correct them - on a subject that involves our very survival, not 'humour'.

As far as being 'worked up', you're actually just falling for Glebe's accusation that we're worked up, which is a common argumentative tactic, used when one has nothing left to debate with. It's unfortunate that it actually works in many cases.

If we'd known that he really had a psychiatric problem OF COURSE we would've ignored his rant.

shrox
01-10-2010, 03:13 PM
Yeah it's a good vid.

So much anger up there LMAO ...... guys like that used to burn people like me in the renaissance. I bet Giordano Bruno would have had a field day with y'all.

Honestly, you're inability to understand me should not make you cross, regardless of whether it's gobbldygook or not.
For argument's sake let's assume either:

A: I'm delusional
B: Nervous breakdown
C: Mid-life crisis
D: Insane
E: Autistic
F: stressed and overworked.
etc etc


You forgot Turret's Syndrome. I use that allot...

glebe digital
01-11-2010, 02:29 AM
ooops, soz I forgot to mention our noble Tourette sufferers out there!

uncomfortable graph:
http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/warming_graph.jpg

Ice-age coming your way.......start breeding Huskies.

toby
01-11-2010, 04:03 AM
You guys who think the earth is round;
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
Read the ttruth and be freed.

glebe digital
01-11-2010, 04:50 AM
Go cats & mice Wooh!........Equating AGW scepticism with 'flat earth belief'....now that IS funny.

There was a man called Aristarchus in 3rd Cent BC.......and Copernicus much later of course........both a fine read. :)

meshpig
01-11-2010, 05:26 AM
I can't believe how worked up people get over someone posting outside their humour range.


Mostly from the USA you might notice; these days even the Chinese have a better sense of humour than the yanks do, it seems.:D

shrox
01-11-2010, 07:52 AM
ooops, soz I forgot to mention our noble Tourette sufferers out there!...

Oh, I can't believe I misspelled Tourette!

Iain
01-11-2010, 07:58 AM
Oh, I can't believe I misspelled Tourette!

That's probably just mild Dyslexia, not a mental illness but we'll let you in anyway :cat:

Tranimatronic
01-11-2010, 08:06 AM
@gordonrobb

I have spent 9 days in a Psychiatric ward being 'assessed' & have been discharged with no latent symptoms & clean bill of health.

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Did you get a certificate ? If you did I bet you are the only person reading this thread that has documented proof showing his sanity. Everyone else is merely assuming theirs.

glebe digital
01-11-2010, 08:17 AM
@tranimatronic
Signed in triplicate no less! LMAO

gordonrobb
01-11-2010, 11:07 AM
Hey, for my part anyway, I am not in the least bit 'wound up' or angry. I was posting to try to find out if I should ignore this is either lunatic ramblings or humour I didn't get, of if I was missing something.

That's all.

glebe digital
01-11-2010, 12:39 PM
Here's what I'm talking about Gordon:

UK’s National Domestic Extremism Team
http://fascistsoup.com/2010/01/10/uks-national-domestic-extremism-team/

Coppers who are "hard at work fighting “extremists” who oppose global warming."

Smells like something but I can't quite make it out.....

gordonrobb
01-11-2010, 02:12 PM
On a semi-serious note, we should all remember that not all that we read on the net is true regardless of how official it seems to be.

toby
01-11-2010, 02:19 PM
Go cats & mice Wooh!........Equating AGW scepticism with 'flat earth belief'....now that IS funny.

There was a man called Aristarchus in 3rd Cent BC.......and Copernicus much later of course........both a fine read. :)
Point was that on the web you can dig up "evidence" to defend whatever crackpot idea you want.

glebe digital
01-12-2010, 02:43 AM
:agree:
Totally agree that the web is full of stuff that should all be taken with a pinch of salt.
However, this doesn't help any given argument/point of view, it's essentially a 'sophists response' in that it seeks to invalidate the question in the first place.
What's gradually seeping out of Climate-gate [a phrase/topic being actively suppressed by mainstream media in the UK] is that the Briffa, Jones & Mann data is ALL bogus and corrupt.......Mann used a highly selective set of tree-ring data that supported his 'hockey stick' thesis & disgarded the datasets that dissagreed with his hypothesis....this is anti-science of the worse case.
Phil Jones [at the CRU] is much the same, and the idea the 'climate modelling' should be trusted as some kind of empirical truth is a crime against reason.

It seems that a lot of us in the West 'really don't want to know' and would very much like to stay in our comfort zones, to keep buying the latest twit-brick, watch the latest alien v alien movie whilst we gorge on popcorn, at the same time being quite happy for slave-camp China to stay behind it's iron curtain just so long as they keep pumping out stuff that we can buy with our fake money.

Al Gore has made a fortune with his fake movie, however the winds have begun to change. Is it too late?
Global governance is the game, if we're not careful we'll all wake up in a gulag sometime soon.......ok, maybe it'll be centrally heated, with a shiny electric car attached, but what currently remains of your freedom will be just a distant memory, one that you can tell your grandchildren about when they ask why you can't use that coal fire in the parlour anymore.

In Australia, the Liberals recently threw out the top guy and replaced him with an AGW sceptic.........fingers crossed those Antipodean guys can start the revolution to junk carbon-tax [and it's shills] into the sea.
One lives in hope anyway. :)

glebe digital
01-12-2010, 02:50 AM
The mini ice age starts here

David Rose
UK Daily Mail
Monday , January 11th, 2010

The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists.

Their predictions – based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans – challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy’s most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in summer by 2013.

According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007 – and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.

The scientists’ predictions also undermine the standard climate computer models, which assert that the warming of the Earth since 1900 has been driven solely by man-made greenhouse gas emissions and will continue as long as carbon dioxide levels rise.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html

toby
01-12-2010, 03:33 AM
:agree:
Totally agree that the web is full of stuff that should all be taken with a pinch of salt.
However, this doesn't help any given argument/point of view, it's essentially a 'sophists response' in that it seeks to invalidate the question in the first place.
No actually I just meant to dissuade you from thinking the data you bring up is the word of god. I'm not 100% convinced that climate change is happening, it would be great if it's not, but it's entirely foolish to be 100% convinced that it's not, when all our lives are at stake. In other words, it's better to be safe than sorry - much better than it is to be... "better pro-business than safe". All of you pro-business types would rather gamble lives than gamble on not getting richer.

There's a thousand times more data supporting it than you can bring up here, so don't expect us to believe the one or two skeptics you bring up - your link being a perfect example; still using the misconception that global warming will warm up every place on earth year-round, when in fact it predicts problems just like this.

meshpig
01-12-2010, 04:08 AM
:agree:
Totally agree that the web is full of stuff that should all be taken with a pinch of salt.
However...
In Australia, the Liberals recently threw out the top guy and replaced him with an AGW sceptic.........fingers crossed those Antipodean guys can start the revolution to junk carbon-tax [and it's shills] into the sea.
One lives in hope anyway. :)

That's hilarious and unbelievable nonsense. The leader of the opposition here (tony abbott) is a negative, pathetic, ignorant and boring sycophant who has to repeat himself every ten seconds to make sure he has the right lie for the occasion.

An ex catholic anti abortionist priest who has his head so far up the HR Nicholls Society ( industrial reform/deregulated labour market in AU) like a dog who hasn't blown it's load yet and overall a sickly little S**t.

Lord/viscount/BA in journalism monkton also recently wrote an impassioned letter to the PM... chaps, jolly good show and what the F? Antipodean guys

OK, now I'm Laughing:thumbsup:

glebe digital
01-12-2010, 04:09 AM
@toby
Yes I agree & need no persuasion that all data-sets [on both sides] should be treated with scepticism, I'm concerned that Gov has hijacked one set & are busy 'denying' the other by branding it 'flat-earth mentality' when in fact, the true Scientist's natural & only position can be a purely sceptical one.
All else is politics.

Contrary to what you may think, I AM 100% convinced climate-changes IS happening.......it has happened every moment since the big-bang, or whatever you want to call the 'prime-action' of our Universe's creation.
Anthropogenic Global Warming on the other hand..........

“Better safe than sorry, all our live's at stake”.......I've heard it a million times, maybe it's all lies designed to spread fear & confusion, designed to support one political agenda ahead of another?

We all got to die sometime.........forget reality tv & the big brother future, I say 'bring on the real stuff' even if it scares the bejeezus out of us.

Head's in sand won't work......when Jack Straw's castle comes crashing down there'll be a lot of refugees & campfires....best o' luck. :)

glebe digital
01-12-2010, 04:10 AM
OK, now I'm Laughing:thumbsup:

Cool! :D

meshpig
01-12-2010, 04:25 AM
... besides it hasn't yet been thrown out and the ETS ( emissions trading scheme) is no more contentious than any other economic modeling bandied about in the last 40 years. The goods and services/value added tax for example.

glebe digital
01-12-2010, 04:46 AM
fingers crossed it keeps going in the right direction though? :) ETS will sink as climate gate grows it's legs throughout 2010.

btw, of course this Abbott fellow is just as bad as the rest of them......he's a politician, they're all bad & nationwide IMHO........

Isn't 'value added tax' a contradiction in terms?
From my particular prison cell, it sounds like a bad joke!

Yeah I'm enjoying my freedom.... :)

"This reminded of us the very telling (and hysterical) results we saw yesterday when we were playing with Google’s “Auto Suggest” feature. You can see the results of Auto Suggest with the beginning phrase “Al Gore is” above.

Not that this is actually what Google feels about Al Gore–quite the contrary–they love him. Auto Suggest makes suggestions based upon the popular queries that Google users are actually keying into the search field–essentially trying to help you complete your search query more quickly by guessing you’ll want one of the popular search terms.

The results you see are probably the best indication of what people are starting to think about the High Priest of Settled Science.

We thought we’d see how he religion of global warming itself is doing these days. Not so good it turns out:"

http://www.climategate.com/al-gore-is-an-idiot-global-warming-is-fake

toby
01-12-2010, 05:00 AM
@toby
Yes I agree & need no persuasion that all data-sets [on both sides] should be treated with scepticism, I'm concerned that Gov has hijacked one set & are busy 'denying' the other by branding it 'flat-earth mentality'Well I'm concerned that the multi-billionare companies who care more about money than life, and religious fanatics, are showing their teeth in this denial tirade.



when in fact, the true Scientist's natural & only position can be a purely sceptical one.That does NOT mean that scientists need to be climate-change skeptics. You understand that don't you?



Contrary to what you may think, I AM 100% convinced climate-changes IS happening.......it has happened every moment since the big-bang, or whatever you want to call the 'prime-action' of our Universe's creation.
Anthropogenic Global Warming on the other hand.....You should really understand by now that "climate change" does NOT mean the common slight fluctuations in climate. So you can stop wasting all our time playing this game ok?



“Better safe than sorry, all our live's at stake”.......I've heard it a million times, maybe it's all lies designed to spread fear & confusion, designed to support one political agenda ahead of another?
Yes, it's a favorite tactic of the religious and pro-business groups. Have scientists ever done it? Was it the scientists idea to invade Iraq? No - it was big business and religion.



We all got to die sometime.........forget reality tv & the big brother future, I say 'bring on the real stuff' even if it scares the bejeezus out of us.

Head's in sand won't work......when Jack Straw's castle comes crashing down there'll be a lot of refugees & campfires....best o' luck. :)
So - you're not concerned about our world being destroyed... ? Are you religious?

glebe digital
01-12-2010, 05:26 AM
So - you're not concerned about our world being destroyed... ? Are you religious?

Not in the least worried.

Could you even form a church out of hermetic neo-platonism & bill hicks?
We will worship randy Pan the goat-boy and shall be his goat children.

toby
01-12-2010, 05:36 AM
"This reminded of us the very telling (and hysterical) results we saw yesterday when we were playing with Google’s “Auto Suggest” feature. You can see the results of Auto Suggest with the beginning phrase “Al Gore is” above.

Not that this is actually what Google feels about Al Gore–quite the contrary–they love him. Auto Suggest makes suggestions based upon the popular queries that Google users are actually keying into the search field–essentially trying to help you complete your search query more quickly by guessing you’ll want one of the popular search terms.

The results you see are probably the best indication of what people are starting to think about the High Priest of Settled Science.

We thought we’d see how he religion of global warming itself is doing these days. Not so good it turns out:"

http://www.climategate.com/al-gore-is-an-idiot-global-warming-is-fake
This is an example of why it's hard to believe anything you say. Applying Google's auto-suggest feature to whether climate change is real or not is about as un-scientific and non-factual as you can get. It could very well be that skeptics are getting more desperate and combing google for excuses - in other words, without knowing who's doing the searching and why, it's irrelevant. The article itself shows the website's obvious bias in the too.

Shiny_Mike
01-12-2010, 10:01 AM
Heh, oddly enough both Glebe's and Megalodon's graphs relate to the 'climategate' emails in some way. From Megalodon's graph, all of the lead authors; Jones, Mann, Briffa, Osborn, Moberg and Esper are all fairly prominent authors of the emails. (although Moberg and Jan Esper are much less prominent) I don't know the source of Glebe's graph but the top looks like a slightly re-scaled MBH99 (Mann), and the bottom looks to be a slightly modified version of an older graph published by Lamb. The building where the emails were leaked from (or hacked, but that seems unlikely IMO) is named after Lamb. Small world..

shrox
01-12-2010, 10:10 AM
What about my needs?

glebe digital
01-12-2010, 10:59 AM
What about my needs?

What do you need brother? :)

http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/Ice_Age_Cycles.jpg

meshpig
01-13-2010, 03:53 AM
fingers crossed it keeps going in the right direction though? :) ETS will sink as climate gate grows it's legs throughout 2010.

btw, of course this Abbott fellow is just as bad as the rest of them......he's a politician, they're all bad & nationwide IMHO........



No, tony abbott is a particular f*****g tedious little wanker of the most obnoxious kind.

The viscount of Brenchley too should mind his own F'ing business and stop pretending to the higher eschalons of the british aristocracy never mind orkney.

Look at it this way. The war in Iraq so far has seen $700,000,000,000.00 or so thrown at it and was twice as hair brained to begin with than the idea of an ETS type thing will ever be.

glebe digital
01-13-2010, 05:11 AM
@meshpig, you seem to display utter contempt for the political classes & if so, I say good man & I'll raise a dram to your health & luck.

In this country they've all been caught with their noses in the trough, lying over anything they can get away with & feathering their own nests in a variety of disgusting ways.

Iceland is bankrupt, Ireland too.....we're going the same way fast......Conservatives have no solutions......westminster full of cretinous parisites........we need a revolution.

meshpig
01-14-2010, 04:21 AM
Funnily enough I socialise quite a bit in political circles and ironically, utter contempt for politicians and politics seems to be the hallmark of a good one. Conversely, you don't survive if you are so naive as to believe any of it. Nihilism...

- Revolution in my mind doesn't involve them and yes, well you can't argue when you're bankrupt!

A wee dram to you too and have one for me!:D