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cresshead
12-07-2009, 04:14 PM
O.T. storyboarding software> ideas?

still not settled on a storyboarding app...i like the idea of premade panels and easy exporting as pdf and seqencial image files to throw into a video editor...

we really stuggled on V.R. without good storyborads so the next projects due to come online in 2010 we be fully boarded...just need to settle on what to use!

currently i'm using painterx or toonboom or 3d app fopr quick roughs to make storybord images which just makes an image:)...no panels...no pdf export...

so...looking at...'options'

iphone app!
http://www.theiphoneguru.net/2009/11/06/hitchcock-storyboard-app-for-the-director-in-all-of-us/

storyplanner
http://www.toonz.com/htm/products/prodSPdemovid.htm
$59


storyboard
http://www.toonboom.com/products/storyboard/
$249


storyboard artist
http://www.powerproduction.com/artist.html
...$ouch!:D


storyboard tools
http://www.freefilmsoftware.co.uk/
$30

storyboardpro
http://www.atomiclearning.com/k12/en_GB/storyboardpro
$0.00 free...no darwing tools though


springboard
http://6sys.com/
$35

thoughs..comments...ideas? :)

calilifestyle
12-07-2009, 04:42 PM
http://www.celtx.com/

it has a few tools for story boarding

Magnus81
12-07-2009, 04:47 PM
Well, you found more software then I did. I would like to direct your attention to another program called Celtix. http://celtx.com/
It's a full fledged media pre-production tool with script writing and storyboarding features. Best of all it's free!!

cresshead
12-07-2009, 06:34 PM
cool...trying that out now...

it has a sketch toool for studio layout shots [plan view] only basic shapes

no full on drawing tools..but not too worry too much on that...i plan to use
lightwave or painter to rough out sketches mainly

Magnus81
12-07-2009, 11:15 PM
Yep. Gotta love free software.

Red_Oddity
12-08-2009, 02:06 AM
So, you use storyboard software to draw the storyboard? Or do you also use it to create your moving storyboards?
Because, and call me old fashioned, i still think doing it on paper is a lot quicker than doing it in some piece of software (i do miss my undo button though when using paper :) )

You can always use one of these to print out your frames.
http://images.google.nl/images?q=storyboard%20template&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=nl&tab=wi

Also, we scan these dump these into a database and use java prototype to create a editable sortable storyboard view.

Since it is on the web server anyone with a login and proper account can edit this system.

I literally wrote this with the PHP / MySQL manual on my lap as i didn't know either of these systems before this, only took a couple of days to write.

biliousfrog
12-08-2009, 02:15 AM
Pencil/marker/pen and paper here...either A3 sheets divided up or some pre-made cels printed out at A4 with a panel below each for info. From there they can be scanned in and edited together in Premiere and then an animatic produced from that.

Soth
12-08-2009, 02:33 AM
Im using either pencil and paper or Mirage.

cresshead
12-08-2009, 05:10 AM
yeah paper is okay, but our productions are split via a small thing called the atlantic ocean!
and soon...my main chap is moving to califonia...was in newyork...currently in kentukey
so electronic has the be the way...

i also have tv paint and combustion...need to move tvpaint to a more current pc as it's on an old laptop currently.

we want to turn script ideas into storyboards then pdf>>> finally rough animatics so will need to add in audio cues as well..

i like cetrx script/character/actor database thing...the storyboard is okay but abit clunky

quite likeing the look of storyplanner and springboard...tried out storyboard from toonboom was okay but abit restrictive to vecta art work really and i want to drop in some rough stills from lightwave/max/zbrush.

for animatics we'll try out speed edit...still not feeling the love for speed edit being stuck on 1 pc though so might dump that and go buy sony vegas pro pak from amazon....i like to be able to work 'anywhere' and not just stuck on my main quadcore..

being able to move apps around is key to a good workflow in my opinion...even installing some onto my netbook so i can play/edit when i'm visiting friends!

Magnus81
12-08-2009, 12:07 PM
currently in kentukey
OUCH! you spelled Kentucky wrong. Then again, no one in Kentucky probably knows how to spell it either!:D
(I'm going to get in trouble for writing this.)

Larry_g1s
12-08-2009, 09:00 PM
Check out DigiCel's Flipbook (www.digicelinc.com). It's not a storyboard one perse, but will export image sequence, etc. It's great for timing out your shots too. Check out Jason Ryan's short demo: http://www.digicelinc.com/3D/3danimationJR2.htm

Where you working out now Cress, and where is your friend moving to in Cali?


OUCH! you spelled Kentucky wrong. Then again, no one in Kentucky probably knows how to spell it either!:D
(I'm going to get in trouble for writing this.)lol

hamite1212
01-22-2011, 09:50 PM
Yep. Gotta love free software.
Can the Celtx program allow adding audio and create animatics? Thanks for any reply or help

Silkrooster
01-22-2011, 11:05 PM
Don't rule out photoshop/bridge and excel for simple storyboards and database management. Also Adobe's acrobat.com has a free story editor that can compile the character list, etc. as you write the screen play. (I don't recall if there is a limited time period for it being free or not though)

cresshead
01-23-2011, 03:36 AM
just to update i went with toonboom storyboard when it was on offer for $99

also when i'm out n about i use Flipnote on my nintendo DSiXL

flipnote>>

http://www.newtek.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=82964&d=1268084870

Sekhar
01-23-2011, 09:17 AM
Another option is Poser, especially if you already have it and are comfortable with it. Very fast and flexible. There are different sketch styles, but below is the default look.

kevman3d
01-23-2011, 11:40 PM
In terms of tools and tutorials on Storyboarding... You might like to check out this awesome collection of links to 500 or so tools, tutorials and so on...

http://filmmakeriq.com/2010/10/500-storyboard-tutorials-resources/

Greenlaw
01-24-2011, 12:35 AM
I've been using Toon Boom Storyboard. They had it on sale for $99 a while back. (Their software seems to go on sale pretty regularly.

At first I didn't like it. I thought the drawing tools were too simple and a bit odd. But I adapted to using the program when I boarded the Brudders movie, and discovered that Storyboard's 'limited' drawing capabilities actually helped me stay focused on the important stuff: flow and clarity.

The built-in Library system is very useful if you want to reuse elements within a storyboard or to use them in a completely different project.

The real power with Storyboard comes from its organization and editing tools. They made it very easy to group sequences in a shot and rearrange shots on the fly. Storyboard can automatically renumber the panels. The printing features are pretty decent too. It offers several industry standard templates that you can use 'as is' or change to suite your project. This is what convinced me to stick with the program.

Storyboard is not a perfect program though. There's a few things that still make me nuts, like not being able to save different versions of a storyboard from the menu. (You can do it, but it requires copying and juggling files at the directory level.)

From what I've been told, the new Storyboard 2 Professional addresses a lot of the shortcomings of Storyboard. But to be honest, I think the Pro version is a bit overpriced at $1000. From what I gather, the main feature in Pro is the ability to generate an animatic. With the 'standard' version, however, I've been able to output my boards as numbered images, drop them on the timeline in Sony Vegas Pro and do pretty much them same thing. (I've never actually used the Pro version, so this is just my assumption.)

If you'd like to seen an example of an animatic made using Storyboard and Vegas, here's the first act of the Brudders short: Brudders Animatic Act I (http://www.youtube.com/user/littlegreendogmovies#p/u/0/LB9bqOrsfZU). The images in this segment were sketched using Storyboard in a single afternoon, and the animatic was edited over a couple of evenings (revised every now and then as my wife Alisa updated the music.) We originally created this animatic as our entry for Gothtober 2010, and just before submitting it I colorized the panels using ArtRage Studio Professional to make the animatic more 'presentable' to the public.

I can post the .pdf of the original board outputted from Toon Boom Storyboard if anybody is interested.

G.

Silkrooster
01-24-2011, 10:56 PM
Another option is Poser, especially if you already have it and are comfortable with it. Very fast and flexible. There are different sketch styles, but below is the default look.

Lightwave needs to be able to do this style right out of the box. Newtek, I think its time to have this kind of detail without going through hoops.

bazsa73
01-25-2011, 12:27 AM
O.T.? what does it mean?

Larry_g1s
01-25-2011, 12:33 AM
O.T.? what does it mean?Off Topic I believe.

bazsa73
01-25-2011, 03:06 AM
Sure, thanx.

cresshead
03-12-2011, 06:53 PM
done a couple of tutorial videos covering how to get up n running on toon boom storyboard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD6JQol98RA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8ZPYtXF1nw


i'll do some more tomorrow i'm sounding abit tired in these vids..it's late here!

Greenlaw
03-13-2011, 04:40 AM
Hi Cresshead,

Nice videos as usual! :)

That reminds me, I forgot to upload the example of Toon Boom Storyboard's .pdf output (mentioned above.) At the bottom is a link for the boards of Act I of 'Pooper', which was given to the musicians for reference and used in the animatic submitted to Gothtober last October.

Normally, I would have just doodled this out with a pencil on a piece of copy paper with pre-printed boxes, scanned the panels back into the computer, and then reassembled it in Illustrator. Illustrator, of course, gives me a flexibility for changing the panel order. That's a lot of still tedious work compared to 'the old days' when you sketched on index cards which were pinned to a large corkboard. But of course, then the problem then was that corkboards took up a lot of room and the results were hardly portable.

Enter TBS, which gives me the best of both worlds. The drawing tools are just okay for doing quick thumbnails but the real power is being able to toss sketched elements into a bin and quickly reuse them (i.e., as background layers or character parts for 'cel'-style layering.) There are automatic graphic guides for camera direction like zooming and panning, and editing the panel orders is simply a matter of drag and drop. When you do this, the software re-sorts the numbering of the individual panels and whole shot sequences automatically. Now, that's a big deal! Finally, being able to output a .pdf obviously makes it very easy to share this info with others in your crew.

The sketching in the .pdf file above wasn't meant to be 'pretty', just informative for me and the five other people involved in the project. Since people were waiting around for the boards, I didn't want to spend too much time on it but it did need the directions to be clear and easy to reference. TBS helped me knock this board out in a couple hours, and most of that time was spent learning the tools and rearranging the panels. Being able to output the individual panels formatted for an animatic was a bonus.

After we submitted the animatic for Act I to Gothtober, I needed to compete Act II and III for the rest of the short. TBS let me sketch and edit the rest boards, and have a very presentable .pdf ready in a single weekend. In the past, I might have taken a couple of days just on thumbnails and then I would spend a day assembling everything in Illustrator. That last part would happen several times over a few days as changes were requested from the director. I don't mind changes but rearranging panels in Illustrator for boards that run for several pages is a real PIA, if you know what I mean! :P

I hope the next time I'm asked to do boards at work, I can use TBS because the pressure to get these types of sketches done while a crew is waiting is even greater there.

Anyway, if anybody has questions, feel free to ask. (Just don't ask about Act II and III. Those parts are 'under wraps' until the project is completed.)

G.

(Edit: I originally wrote that there were three other people in the 'music crew', which I just corrected to five. There was me, two other adults and three kids recording over two days, so a total of six. Okay, eight, if you include the cats.) :)

Greenlaw
07-17-2011, 07:50 PM
I just upgraded to Toon Boom Storyboard Pro 2. Toon Boom has a sale going on right now and crossgrading from Storyboard 1.5 to Storyboard Pro 2 cost $420 (full price is $899).

The 'entry-level' version, Storyboard 1.5, was actually working well for me and I was able to address its limitations as described above. For the $99 I spent for it (when it was on sale last year,) it was well worth the purchase. That said, I've been using SB 1.5 often enough that I wondered if maybe I should upgrade to the Pro version for the workflow enhancements, and that's when I learned about the current sale.

I just finished downloading and installing Pro 2 and I am about to activate the license. The license scheme is the same one used for Toon Boom Animate, which I'm not thrilled about but I guess it's okay since I'll probably only want to run Pro 2 only on my Tablet PC. I had SB 1.5 installed on both my workstation and tablet but to be honest, I rarely ran SB 1.5 with the workstation. FWIW, I got to keep my old SB 1.5 license so I'll still be able to use that on either computer. That said, I suspect the Pro 2 files will not work with it.

A year ago I felt that the Pro version was a bit expensive for what it offered but having used SB 1.5 for almost a year now, I'm thinking it's probably worth it if you make storyboards for a living.

I originally bought SB 1.5 for my own use but I've been using it at work too. I'm occasionally asked to create boards there, and I used to waste a lot of time formatting my layouts in Illustrator. SB 1.5 really improved my workflow by eliminating that part of process, and allowed me to focus on storytelling. Because the 'entry-level' version has worked out so well for me, I'll reserve my judgement about Pro 2.0 until I've had a chance to use it for a while.

Stay tuned. :)

G.

Greenlaw
12-05-2011, 11:56 PM
Check out the new Studio Sessions article on the Little Green Dog website to see how 'Happy Box' was storyboarded:

Studio Sessions 3: Storyboarding 'Happy Box' (http://bit.ly/tXgvQa)

Comments appreciated. :)

G.

redlum
01-12-2012, 08:31 PM
Another option is Poser, especially if you already have it and are comfortable with it. Very fast and flexible. There are different sketch styles, but below is the default look.

Wow that look cool.

Exactly how does Poser integrate with Lightwave? I don't own it yet but saw a version called Poser Debut on the App Store and thought about getting it.