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JonW
12-01-2009, 03:39 AM
Red Digital Cinema.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=38274

Kirdian
12-01-2009, 04:07 AM
lol. I saw those pictures (or renders) two years ago. Since then they have failed to deliver anything except Red One. So dont be too excited ;)

archijam
12-01-2009, 07:16 AM
Any way you colour it, those designs are the duck's nuts :)

biliousfrog
12-01-2009, 09:49 AM
I want that rack unit...no idea what it is but it's pretty and would look awesome on stage

Andyjaggy
12-01-2009, 10:02 AM
Yeah they have been saing they are coming out with an SLR for a couple years now. I did see some supposed "pictures" of one, and from the looks of it, no professional photographer I know would want to use it.

Professional photographers care as much about ergonomics, usability, and function then they do about pictures quality, and from what I saw it looked heavy, clunky, awkward, and uncomfortable.

Speedmonk42
12-01-2009, 03:14 PM
Ok. It looks cool, but how the F%^# do you hold it for 4 hours at a shoot?

Andyjaggy
12-01-2009, 03:30 PM
Ok. It looks cool, but how the F%^# do you hold it for 4 hours at a shoot?

Exactly. It's like a box. I wonder if they have even consulted with any professional photographers before designing this thing. Cause it doesn't look like it to me.

aidenvfx
12-01-2009, 05:08 PM
It's not for the average shooter. This is the indie camera of the future. This is almost a red one for 15% of the costs.

To get up and running it will be $4800 on Scarlet

For Red one $35K

Think stereo, time lapse etc.

Dexter2999
12-01-2009, 05:13 PM
I want that rack unit...no idea what it is but it's pretty and would look awesome on stage

I think that is a Pro RED Ray deck. It's supposed to have real time playback of up to 4K.

Not positive though, It could be something else.

JonW
12-01-2009, 05:34 PM
I think the main issue is that the big players will need to keep on their toes, not a bad thing!

Leica has just built a totally new camera, its a bit out of my league, but Leica lenses are just brilliant.



I use a few Mamiya lenses on my Canon, the Mamiya 80mm macro is better than Canon’s 135mm for quality but obviously not as fast.

There are a lot of people with Sinar, Schneider & other seriously good lenses, & various specialised lenses who will find new uses for them.

I used the Mamiya 67 for years, its totally impossible to use handheld, 4.5kg! But on a tripod it was an absolute pleasure to use. If only I could afford a Phase One P65 digital camera back, I could get these door stops back into use.

Captain Obvious
12-01-2009, 07:48 PM
I used the Mamiya 67 for years, its totally impossible to use handheld, 4.5kg! But on a tripod it was an absolute pleasure to use. If only I could afford a Phase One P65 digital camera back, I could get these door stops back into use.
Or you could just buy a few rolls of 120 film and keep using it for many years to come. A friend of mine uses a Mamiya 645 for most of his work, and I've been using a really old (as in 1940s) Carl Zeiss. Shooting film is not quite obsolete yet!

JonW
12-01-2009, 10:18 PM
I agree, its not dead yet, But......

Digital is a lot quicker, & I really did get tired of spotting dust.

The attached “Velvia” file was shot on 645 & scanned on a Scitex Eversmart Pro scanner. The shot had mirror up, on a tripod etc etc.

The 5dmk1 file was shot with a 16-35mm mk1 at 33mm to match the focal length. The 16-35 at 33mm is of very ordinary quality at this focal length. Then up sized to match the scan.

JonW
12-02-2009, 04:33 PM
Here is the same image taken with a 5Dmk2. I used the Mamiya 35mm, its focal is a touch longer on the Canon as compared to 50mm Sekor Shift (a very nice piece of glass) on the Mamiya 645. This is the closest I could do & I think it is a better comparison as the 16-35 mk1 at the upper end is really very ordinary. Also, from my point of view when I need 35mm I going to use the Mamiya anyway & not the Canon.

Dexter2999
12-02-2009, 06:37 PM
Well, RED is making their own glass and it is being compared to some very high end stuff.
Go over to the REDCENTRE podcasts at fxphd.com. They talk about how it stacks up against glass that is commonly used in cinematography.

Over my head but sounded impressive.

Also some articles about converted 35mm glass to use (as primes only) that cost a fraction of the RED lenses.