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10-11-2009, 07:01 AM
Should Lightwave fusion with C4D?

That's something I never think about utile I saw a thread on CGTalk about a guy who's question was "should I try LWCore or C4DCore?".
Then we all know the big fish in 3d industry is Autodesk, mainly because he owns Maya, then XSI...

So why smaller companies wouldn't go in that way too? LW+C4D+Messiah for example could together give a really major app, couldn't they? Then if they could give a non "overpriced" application, benefits will be for everybody, no? (customers and companies)

So maybe it's a stupid question but in France I see many people scared about the future of LW...so that's maybe why the idea come to me...but just want to know what do you think about?

10-11-2009, 07:18 AM
Can't see it happening.

What is C4DCore?

Try living in switzerland, no-one has heard of LW, so the future is bright ; ) .. it can only go up!

C4D is pretty mainstream here, easy to learn, mac friendly etc. Especially in archvis, since it interfaces so well with ArchiCad etc.

I think the days of the 'one app that does everything' are over. We are going to see more and more Adobe-type mixed suites. If you think about it that way, LW Core can easily market itself for particular niches, and do them really well.

If Core spreads itself too thinly, ie tries to do too much, it only dilutes the features. Even Autodesk are going this route, gradually pointing each app at a different market ...

10-11-2009, 07:23 AM
I really hope that never happens!
I moved from C4d to LW because of the lousy customer handling policy at Maxon (and FPrime), so I really hope not to get Maxon into my life again..

10-11-2009, 07:39 AM
... so I really hope not to get Maxon into my life again..

Who has the guard of the kids? :D

10-11-2009, 07:48 AM
I don't know if making a main application will be the solution, but having some companies working together should help everybody to develop their own applications...at least I guess...But I'm more artist than commercial, that's why I ask the question.

Maxon was just an idea, I guess there is other "options", but if C4D could take benefit of LW system and LW benefit of C4D, maybe that things should go faster and better?

Actually I'm using Lightwave as a "generalist", so that's maybe why I didn't think about having an application specialized in one area. I'm satisfied with old Lightwave actually, so I hope Core is going the same way but with more "powerful" possibilities.

Anyway, thank you for you opinion.

(bjornkn sorry to ear that!)

10-11-2009, 07:54 AM
A couple of things:
To the confused guy I would say:
Dont confuse marketing terms with application architecture.Just becuase Autodesk, Maxon and Newtek have applications with the name of CORE it does not mean that they are the same thing.

I can call a Rat "Wiskers" until I turn blue and the cows come home,but that does not make the Rat into a Kitty Cat.

Sometimes that "confusion" is done on purpose to discourage user from trying other apps.

Also I like the culture of the development staff at Newtek. Not only that their business practices are very good.
Do you think that that kind of culture would survive a merger?

I dont thing that a merger with a company like that, (WARNING TO AVOID RUMORS:THIS IS IS NOT HAPPENING NOW) would benefit the user base in any way. Hell the only people who would benefit from this would be Autodesk and Maxon, since they can take off the market a competitor.

10-11-2009, 08:18 AM
Well I've ask that question just because I don't know what could be the benefit of a merge. I was mainly thinking about the application architecture itself, thank you to point it.

Then I'm a bit fed up with people in France thinking that Newtek business practices are not appropriate...so I'm wandering about what could be possible...

Anyway thank you for speaking about the weak point of such an idea.

10-11-2009, 08:50 AM
So how did people in France react to that the French company Realviz was swallowed by that evil giant in US? Did that improve business practices in France (or elsewhere) ?
So far AD have released a "new" version of ImageModeler that maintains all the bugs and problems with the old Realviz version, adds very little new, and even removed some of the most important export formats - but at a hefty upgrade price. I was a Realviz customer, but will not upgrade to the new version.
I think there are lots of similar stories about companies merging (or rather the big one swallowing the smaller one). I can't think of any success stories, although it looks like to have had little effect that SketchUp was bought by Google, except that it has now increased its user base a lot because of the free version made available.

10-11-2009, 08:50 AM
texas to toronto how far is that?

c4d and lightwave..nahh, I would rather see a company merge or big software collaboration between all the goodies in lightwave and houdini.

If I were to pick out two software that should merge to really bring power
it would be these two.

what houdini miss, Lightwave got and vice versa, and you know what, the software logo isnīt that different:)


10-12-2009, 12:02 AM
As far as merging goes...aint gonna happen.
Both companies publish their SDKs and that means 3rd party developers can hopefully pick up the slack as far as getting assets back and forth. C4D has already been able to load LW scene files for years. Core will be using collada so maybe that will be one way when it works...Maxon has always seemed concered about interoperability so Im sure theyll do something as well. As far as what Core will or wont support beyond collada, who knows...time will tell.

10-12-2009, 01:09 AM
I have no interest in C4D. The base version lacks too much and the bigger versions are too expensive.

Cheers, Florian

10-13-2009, 06:01 AM
1. It will never happen

2. The fewer companies that are developing, the fewer advances we'll get

3. Mega-applications are wasteful. How many people use everything that Maya, Softimage, Max can offer?...how many people working in studios use everything that they offer?

The higher up the production ladder you travel the less 'general' things become, modellers, animators, texture artists...that's just a small selection of people that only require a small percentage of a particular tool. Imagine all of those companies using a mixture of Max, Maya, Softimage, Houdini and Lightwave for various roles when they only require a tiny part of each.....that's why I don't think that jack-of-all-trades apps are a good idea and why merging developers isn't a good idea.

We'll have to see what CORE brings but, until then, I'd have preferred to see Lightwave become just a rendering solution that can integrate into other apps as I think that it has always been it's best feature and what it is best known for. You could then build a custom pipeline to suit your needs and budget from generalist freelancers to large production facilities. As an example, Modo for modelling, Messiah for animation, Lightwave for rendering...3 specialist applications that are all great at what they do for around the same price as a jack-of-all-trades app such as Maya. For those that don't require a modeller or an animation tool they don't need to spend a fortune on tools they'll never need.