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ACross
08-28-2003, 01:36 PM
Dear Mac LightWave users,

I know that many of you have had some concerns for some time regarding NewTek's long-term commitment to the Mac platform for LightWave 3D. Specifically, it certainly seems that it has been some time since there have been significant improvements on our Mac support. For quite some time now I have resisted posting any public comments to allay many of the concerns in this regard, I wanted to ensure that I can actually bring some concrete changes to the table instead of just words.

Basically, I am pleased to announce that we have just added a dedicated engineer, Scott Thompson, to our LightWave Engineering team whose job description is to ensure that we maintain far greater integration and support of the Apple platform. In addition, although this has been a process that has been happening over the past few months, almost all of our key engineers now have both Macs AND PCs as primary work machines. This should put us into a better position than we probably have ever been in when it comes to the continued support of the Mac. In addition, we are working directly with Apple on a number of fronts, including engineering.

On a more specific note, our position is that we fully intend to continue to develop LightWave with feature parity between the Mac and PC platforms. On the Mac, we plan to support all upcoming Apple technologies and move our application to integrate better with OSX and other new Apple technologies.

I am certain that Scott, as our newly appointed "Mac engineering evangelist" will be reading and contributing to these forums, and I am fully confident that you are going to see some real changes on the Mac side.

Andrew Cross, Ph.D
Senior VP of Software Development,
NewTek, www.newtek.com

mbaldwin
08-28-2003, 02:41 PM
Dr. Cross,

'Thanks for posting. I'm glad to hear the news.

Congrats and welcome aboard to Scott Thompson.

-m.

Zarathustra
08-28-2003, 02:41 PM
Sounds like good news, but the proof will be in the pudding.

dfc
08-28-2003, 02:59 PM
Thanks for the update..and welcome Scott!
:)

skippy
08-28-2003, 03:19 PM
that sounds great, Andrew...is it possible to let us know (roughly) what timeline these various developments will follow..

I'd imagine you'd have to actually have some G5s with Panther installed on hand before you get busy with your plans.

For example, when could we learn what's in store for things like Screamernet, and some of the Mac-side tools that aren't in the Mac version right now?

s

Darth Mole
08-28-2003, 03:25 PM
This is great news. Welcome aboard Scott - we're expecting great things from you.

(Of course, if you don't deliver, we'll just hunt you down and... well, you can guess the rest)

Beamtracer
08-28-2003, 03:37 PM
Hey, look at the positive response from the Mac Lightwavers! Well done, Newtek.

I like to hear that Newtek is developing a close relationship with Apple.

It's also great to get some positive news on the forum

BrianW
08-28-2003, 07:15 PM
Very glad to hear this! I have been waiting for this for a while! Welcome aboard Scott, do all that you can man!
BW

Ade
08-28-2003, 08:02 PM
Newtek needs to understand MAC users are probably the most loyal users out there. If Newtek could harness that loyalty they would only benefit.

It seems they are moving in the right direction, I have my money set for LW8.

JackDeL
08-28-2003, 08:46 PM
I'm VERY glad to hear this! After the 10.2.5/10.2.6/Radeon debacle I was seriously thinking of switching to Maya, which would have been a shame since I love Lightwave so much!

Welcome aboard Scott!

and a big THANK YOU to ACross and Newtek!

Ade
08-28-2003, 08:50 PM
Same I was thinking of switching too even though I didnt!

Newtek show us some pics of the mac team, share us some love, like Luxology did that time.

Lets get the vibe good again!

toby
08-28-2003, 09:14 PM
thanks for the news Mr. Cross, and for the effort from all you NT guys ( 'specially the Mac NT guys :D)

let's liven up this page a little

policarpo
08-28-2003, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Ade
Same I was thinking of switching too even though I didnt!

Newtek show us some pics of the mac team, share us some love, like Luxology did that time.

Lets get the vibe good again!

Screw Luxology!! Who needs them!!

All Hail NewTek!!

Welcome aboard Scott!!

Don't mind these Mac heads, our bark is worse than our bite. Plus, most of them still use the 1 button mouse issued by Apple:D

Let us know how we can be of service...my PB 1ghz is looking to push some high poly geometry as soon as possible. :)

Many thanks for the posting Andrew! It is wonderful news!!

It is great to be loved!!!

Scott_NewTek
08-28-2003, 09:20 PM
Thanks for the show of support!

I am here to help the LightWave users as much as I can. I am a huge Macintosh fan and am extremely excited to get to work on LightWave!

As you all know, LightWave is an awesome product... and I intend to help keep it that way! It won't be easy to get my mind wrapped around everything at once, but I have been digging in and getting ready to make a big dent in things as quickly as I can. The whole LightWave team is super helpful and I think there are nothing but great things to come. It will take some time, and a lot of effort -- all good things seem to. Rest assured your voices are heard and the influence we all have to make LightWave even better will be efffective.

I welcome all of your thoughts, good and bad, helpful and inquiring, whatever. All I ask is for your patience and understanding during the coming weeks and months as I get going on the many aspects of things to be done. Items like bug tracking, fixing, verifying, etc. Items like making sure old and new features are as solid as possible on the Mac side. Items like new hardware optimization. Items like new OS integration. Items like new technology updates. Etc., etc., etc.

See you in the forums!

-Scott

policarpo
08-28-2003, 09:21 PM
PEACE!!!

slap this on your desktop everyone!!!

:D

note, if it's too big, let me know and i can resize it.

my cable modem makes me freaky!

Ade
08-28-2003, 09:31 PM
I have mine.. Im thinking of creating a Lightwave Mac avatar for all of us to wear proud but just havent had the time.

luka
08-28-2003, 10:14 PM
Welcome scott, you can certainly use us for feedback.
That is some positive news. Well done NT:)

Triple G
08-28-2003, 10:16 PM
Man, you crazy guys and your HYOOOOGE pics....I hate scrolling sideways! :mad:

Anyway, this is certainly good news. Welcome aboard, Scott! (Actually, that doesn't make much sense, since it would imply that I myself am already "aboard", meaning that I'm an employee of Newtek...which I am not). Never mind...you get the idea.

Zarathustra...true, the proof will be in the pudding, but at least now Newtek's got all the necessary ingredients to start making the pudding! :p I'm looking forward to what will hopefully be some great stuff from the Mac Dev Team at Newtek...it's been long overdue, but definitely better late than never! :cool:

Darth Mole
08-29-2003, 01:34 AM
Also, Scott, feel free to use us as much as you like. Part of our frustration is being starved of information. We never know what the hell is going on from one update to the next - a little info goes a long way.

Likewise, if you want feedback on stuff, there are plenty of passionate, expert Mac users on these boards who would be willing to talk through new ideas, user interface problems, feature requests, etc.

We're all in it together.

(group hug)

Ge4-ce
08-29-2003, 02:59 AM
Scott! Nice to have you in the Newtek Team.. I'm convinced you can improve LW even more..

By the way.. if you don't know where to start.. I will give you a hint ;)

"ATI + Radeon + 10.2.6" make a bad milkshake.. ;)


Greetings,

and oh yeah.. I wanna help you testing stuff if needed.. I lost my modeler because of the OpenGL problem, so I wanna do everthing to help you and the NT team to fix it..

Ge4-ce

Whit
08-29-2003, 07:02 AM
This is great news.

--Whit

Zarathustra
08-29-2003, 08:15 AM
Hell yes we're the best user base you could have. Look at all the grief we have to put up with! We're frustrated, alienated and angry; yet, we're not only still using our Macs but still using Lightwave.
If PC users endured a tenth of what we've struggled through over the years they'd be off to Max or Maya and if there was a new computer option they'd be there, too.

We're opinionated and vocal, but also stubbornly loyal. You'll see that you can get a lot of bang for your buck by throwing us a bone now and again. Actually bring us on par with the PC LW and there will be parades in the street and the chants of "Lightwave!" will echo through every 3D forum.

eblu
08-29-2003, 08:16 AM
scott,
if newtek is serious, send them here:
http://www.bignerdranch.com/

if you ever have a few minutes, do a search in this forum and the old one for both: eblu, and ted, I have made many constructive criticisms of LW.

ACross,
as you are no doubt aware, the Mac LW forum is one of you most popular/prolific areas in the forums, and yet we rarely see developers in here any more. We give Dynamite ideas to Newtek For free, we give incredible advice on many fronts, we make a heck of a litmus test for the hot new technologies, in short we are excited to have the opportunity to HELP. And yet we are oft times ignored. While I commend the efforts, I can't see how your dev team will ever get over the obvious bias. In Fact, the hiring of one Mac Specialist, could be counterproductive in that area. If the whole team was excited/energized about learning to work well with os X then the story might be different.

I will now sum up....
http://www.bignerdranch.com/

Ade
08-29-2003, 08:19 AM
I heard theres sex galore at those nerd ranches!

Chuck
08-29-2003, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by eblu
as you are no doubt aware, the Mac LW forum is one of you most popular/prolific areas in the forums, and yet we rarely see developers in here any more.

To put that in perspective, though - I've seen more of our LW development staff post in the Mac section over the years than in any of the other LW sections, including Community. They do read all the sections and it generates a lot of internal discussion and actions - but posting doesn't happen that much. For that matter, I post more in Mac and Community than I do any other sections of the board.

mlinde
08-29-2003, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by Chuck
...For that matter, I post more in Mac and Community than I do any other sections of the board...

That's just because we are a loud, obnoxious bunch of folks in here, and you have to chaperone us a lot ;)

We appreciate the communication Chuck. It seems to me there are more Mac users in the Forums than on the mailing list, so messages sent to the this often may not reach the Mac folks.

Zarathustra
08-29-2003, 11:23 AM
Well, since there are more issues with Mac LW, it's therefore logical that you would have more things to respond to in the Mac forum, Chuck.

eblu
08-29-2003, 01:29 PM
chuck,
for the record, In my opinion, you have been a fair, understanding, and patient, guy. With people like me around, it has got to be difficult to do your job. Its obvious that you care what happens to both the users and the developers, and thats not any small feat.

I'm a mac user, I'm excited about the possibilities with my hardware and my software, and its darned frustrating seeing a potentially great Mac product suffer in both quality and sales, because nobody cares enough to try to "get" it. There are many, many things in os X that would make LW easier to manage, from UI design pointers that are platform independant, to world class rapid prototyping tools that even Byte Magazine said was better than anything availible for PCs (this is cocoa we are talking about here). Please don't take any offense at anything i post, I certainly don't intend to offend, just provoke.

Karl Hansson
08-29-2003, 02:00 PM
I think that Newtek should try to get on stage with Steve Jobs at the next apple event to show off LW. This is the best way to flirt with the rest of the macpeople. After all, Maya has been there, luxology has been there I think its about time that LW gets in the spotlight since it's still one of the most complete 3D solutions for mac.

Chuck
08-29-2003, 02:15 PM
Hi, eblu!

Users expressing perfectly reasonable frustations and hopes doesn't offend me, especially since I can pretty clearly see that behind it is the same enthusiasm for a cool piece of technology, in this case the Mac and now OSX, that I've always had for the kind of cool technology that NewTek makes and that led me to work here and keeps me hanging in through thick and thin. Probably also at least part of why I tend to give the Mac section more of my attention than other areas.

Chuck
08-29-2003, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Zarathustra
Well, since there are more issues with Mac LW, it's therefore logical that you would have more things to respond to in the Mac forum, Chuck.

I understand it can sure feel that way, Zar. But it is the case that I could make other choices than I do about where to spend my time and effort. And from my vantage point my sense of things is that most issues in LW are present on both platforms, and each platform also has about the same amount and severity of issues that are platform specific. If I were still support staff I could reasonably spend the same amount of time in each area.

Zarathustra
08-29-2003, 02:25 PM
each platform also has about the same amount and severity of issues that are platform specific

I dunno...

Chuck
08-29-2003, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Zarathustra
I dunno...

And its no comfort anyway - the issue from the user point of view is that whatever issues exist for the tool as they use it on their platform of choice need to be resolved. And that's how we at NewTek need to respond.

battery555
08-30-2003, 08:09 AM
WOW really this is a morale booster. Welcome you Scott Thompson. Hope LW8 will be able to work as smooth as silk. Erm, getting close to upgrade to 8...:p

Zarathustra
08-30-2003, 09:01 AM
the issue from the user point of view is that whatever issues exist for the tool as they use it on their platform of choice need to be resolved. And that's how we at NewTek need to respond.

Here here!!! Glad to see some serious steps are being made for parity. It certainly sounds reassuring. We'll be eagerly awaiting 8.


I think it's shrewd to make this pre-emptive strike before Lux's vaporware becomes something tangible. Showing strong Mac-focused moves should kill most of the LW Mac users being seduced by Lux's agressive Mac marketing.

Jean-Paul Lar.
08-30-2003, 12:39 PM
I just wanted to say thank you new tek keep up the good work ive posted a few disapointments here and there but i got to say you guys rule....good luck scott
and thanks for being such an awsome help chuck......:) :)


lightwave forever baby......... :D
bone dynamics cant wait!!!!:cool:

mattclary
09-02-2003, 06:30 AM
Here's one I did. :)