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toby
08-21-2009, 01:54 AM
and because Mr. Polar Zombie Express Zemekis can make it so much better.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8212110.stm

Christmas Carol looks to be one better than polar express was, which, 5 yrs later, is saying very little.

borkus
08-21-2009, 07:57 AM
Great... So in the year 2012, when the world is crumbling and life as we know it will shatter, we will have a movie that is as mentally scarring as "Yellow Submarine" in 3d to take with us into the afterlife....

Jim_C
08-21-2009, 08:00 AM
Peace and Love! Peace AND LOVE!!!

gerry_g
08-21-2009, 09:42 AM
It's about money, the only artistic consideration going down here will be how his (Zemekis') accountants manage to max out the costs of production to offset against potential profits. I've almost given up on Hollywood movies, around eighty percent of what I watch these days is either european or asian and I'm a bloody sight happier for it

cresshead
08-21-2009, 11:02 AM
yellow subsmarine?..i hope the production sinks...Zemekis has done some poop of late.

jaxtone
08-21-2009, 01:36 PM
Im happy to hear that there are more people that want both depth and warmth in film making, not just plain assembly lined productions. I admit I get a little bit nostalgic when thinking of some of the fine producers/directors from a past before greed and ignorance took over pretty much of Americas film business! Some times you wonder if peoples interest when watching film is just because there are moving images in it. Or is it maybe the satisfaction of buying a seat knowing that a gigantic budget is wasted on it?

The latest years I´ve become split minded about American film since it seems like many productions are made for people that can´t think themselfes. The dialouge is mostly made for low IQ panheads and the body language so obvoiusly directed you cannot believe it´s possibly produced in major productions.

In the old days many of us assumed that directors and actors reached their goals by sleeping in dirty bedrooms. Nowadays at least I wonder what in Gods name people have to do to get their hands on huge budgets that painfully enough many times is going up in smoke.

Where are those stories, emotions and drama twists that catches your interest more than 1 hour and 40 minutes?


It's about money, the only artistic consideration going down here will be how his (Zemekis') accountants manage to max out the costs of production to offset against potential profits. I've almost given up on Hollywood movies, around eighty percent of what I watch these days is either european or asian and I'm a bloody sight happier for it

Kuzey
08-21-2009, 01:46 PM
ha ha...I'm sure it'll have aliens and robots which will make it automatically better than the original :hey:

Kuzey

probiner
08-21-2009, 06:49 PM
aliens and robots


You said it all...

Aliens, monsters, robots... still so 50's but... now we have great CG to show them around... Oh well they are the american culture Mithology right?

Aliens in the last Indiana Jones was the last drop of the whole crappy movie...

Remember when God or evil forces were related with events? There were always imaginative ways to show this forces acting in the story. But with aliens is always so... "Hey look, there they are! So weird and coool" but they still have some godlike aura on them, but you can see them...
They would never do a "Hey look, there is God killing all those nazi germans, look i can see his actual hand squeezing those guys necks!"
And the whole mistery goes http://www.newtek.com/forums/images/smilies/brians/thumbsdown.gif

This is where i think films from Hayao Miyazaki win. They show the weird things, they even shove it your face, but it's non-photorealistic animation, your mind is not trying to resist or see that as photoreal. Its more mental and you let yourself go much easier and the action and story are better transmited.

Cheers

toby
08-21-2009, 09:45 PM
You said it all...

Aliens, monsters, robots... still so 50's but... now we have great CG to show them around... Oh well they are the american culture Mithology right?

Aliens in the last Indiana Jones was the last drop of the whole crappy movie...

Remember when God or evil forces were related with events? There were always imaginative ways to show this forces acting in the story. But with aliens is always so... "Hey look, there they are! So weird and coool" but they still have some godlike aura on them, but you can see them...
They would never do a "Hey look, there is God killing all those nazi germans, look i can see his actual hand squeezing those guys necks!"
And the whole mistery goes http://www.newtek.com/forums/images/smilies/brians/thumbsdown.gif

This is where i think films from Hayao Miyazaki win. They show the weird things, they even shove it your face, but it's non-photorealistic animation, your mind is not trying to resist or see that as photoreal. Its more mental and you let yourself go much easier and the action and story are better transmited.
There were aliens in Indy 4??? I'm more proud than ever that I avoided it.

Miyazaki :agree:
I saw Ponyo, it was pretty good, but it was ruined for me by this ***** woman behind me who would go totally sappy at the slightest word by one of the children characters and let out an "awwwwwwwww!" Every 5 minutes! "awwwwwwwww!" It was like chinese water torture, trying to look at the awesome artwork, but fearfully anticipting when the next "awwwwwwwwwww!" would hit. I wanted to turn around and say "why don't you go have 12 kids and stop ruining the movie? STFU!!!"

Word to the wise; either go to the women-not-allowed screening, or rent it.

probiner
08-21-2009, 11:20 PM
I forgot the Heroes in last post for american Mithology :P

I haven't seen that one yet, thanks for pointing it ouy Toby =)

If you haven't seen them before, here are some of my favourites:

-Porco Rosso (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98RjgQMO4kM&feature=related) (great flight scenes)
-Princess Mononoke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ4pxURy5-I) (Mediaval action with a japanese classic war intrigue in the middle)
-Sprited Away (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6az9wGfeSgM) (Very imersive adventure, full of weird and beautifull "stuff")
-Only Yesterday(producaer) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9WNAcPcIGY&feature=PlayList&p=1DE494A10B08ED2C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=13) (this one is actually funny since, tecnhicaly, it could have been done in live action)
-Laputa, Castle in the Sky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBc01PvLD0I&feature=related#t=0m26s)(Wossshh Booom boom CABBUMM, *kiss*)

I'm so lucky i have a friend that lived in Macau and brought piles of DVDs =)

Cheers

toby
08-22-2009, 01:34 AM
I forgot the Heroes in last post for american Mithology :P

I haven't seen that one yet, thanks for pointing it ouy Toby =)

If you haven't seen them before, here are some of my favourites:

-Porco Rosso (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98RjgQMO4kM&feature=related) (great flight scenes)
-Princess Mononoke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ4pxURy5-I) (Mediaval action with a japanese classic war intrigue in the middle)
-Sprited Away (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6az9wGfeSgM) (Very imersive adventure, full of weird and beautifull "stuff")
-Only Yesterday(producaer) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9WNAcPcIGY&feature=PlayList&p=1DE494A10B08ED2C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=13) (this one is actually funny since, tecnhicaly, it could have been done in live action)
-Laputa, Castle in the Sky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBc01PvLD0I&feature=related#t=0m26s)(Wossshh Booom boom CABBUMM, *kiss*)

I'm so lucky i have a friend that lived in Macau and brought piles of DVDs =)

Cheers
I've seen those, except for Only Yesterday!? Never heard of it, I'll check it out.
Nausicaä, castle in the sky and mononoke are my faves, followed by porko rosso, cat returns and spirited away. Didn't care for howl's moving castle or kiki's delivery.

probiner
08-22-2009, 01:46 AM
Didn't care for howl's moving castle or kiki's delivery.

Same here =)

I like Nausicaä too just omited it because i was stacking a lot of Youtube trailers =)

Only Yesterday is like i said a film that, technicaly, could be live action, its not an action movie like the others, but still has that same storyline of Miyazaki's movies:

A little girl, that for a time is displaced from its path and lives an adventure.


If you get to see it, there is a camera angle that has the Storyboard/Animatics on it. There are probably more DVD's like this, but i only saw this one. It's very nice to see the movie and then the time thinking of it.

Since we matched up on this guy, tell me Toby, do you like Takeshi Kitano's films?

Cheers

toby
08-22-2009, 02:59 AM
Never heard of him. But I know who Toshiro Mifune is :)

biliousfrog
08-22-2009, 03:09 AM
Didn't care for howl's moving castle or kiki's delivery.

I liked both of those, probably more than any of the others TBH, but to each his own. :)

probiner
08-22-2009, 03:38 AM
Never heard of him. But I know who Toshiro Mifune is :)

Fan :D (Had to google tough, not familiar with his name) Sanjuro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFf-wNHSRqE&feature=related) is one of my favourite movie for long time. The plot is very good, imho.

Takeshi Kitano is a actor/director of recent japanese live action movies. I like the humor of the guy =) Yet he produces great images and timmings, imho

He approaches the Yakuza subject a lot of times. (In "Brother" is explicit)

Two of his films that i really like (Haven't been able to see much from them around here =/)

-Kikujiro no natsu
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip9OI7ockW8)
-Dolls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L55NuLY4YgQ&feature=related)



I liked both of those, probably more than any of the others TBH, but to each his own. :)

=)

Cheers

Red_Oddity
08-22-2009, 04:07 AM
Here's a couple of other animes i can recommend.
Princess Arete (Studio 4C), The girl who leapt through time (Madhouse), Mindgame (Studio 4C, a complete trip this one) are great ones aswell.

And offcourse the classics, like Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Patlabor, Jin Roh (The Wolf Brigade), Wings of Honneamise, Fooly Cooly (FLCL, mini series), Grave of the Fireflies
And basically anything from Ghibli offcourse, including the ones not done by Miyazaki, for example, Pom Poko, is something you will never ever see made by a western studio)

Princess Arete (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRvM4p_YDtQ)
The girl who leapt through time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HMLh95vo6M)
Mindgame (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU4EfF85u60)
Jin Roh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxMDUFl2WxU)

Forgot many on this list, but you get the idea.

probiner
08-22-2009, 04:23 AM
Thanks, youtubing =)

Grave of fire flies is great. Made me cry =/

Red_Oddity
08-22-2009, 05:21 AM
Also, France seems to be on a spree of some excellent movies lately (and off course a lot of nice action and fantasy flicks)

some recent ones
Mesrine part 1 : L'instinct du mort (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byQPZ00h9V4)
Mesrine part 2 : L'ennemi public nr 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7gIy4H-nU0)
36 Quai des Orfèvres (excellent but very dark thriller) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPx0PQpR82s&feature=related)

Anything done by Jean-Pierre Jeunet (Delicatessen, La cité des enfants perdus (my favourite Jeunet movie), Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain, Un long dimanche de fiançailles, and offcourse the upcoming Micmacs à tire-larigot
Le pacte des loups (excellent fantasy period piece, action flick by Christophe Gans) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7TpmHwcGbs)
Les Rivieres Pourpres 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjNtTkRVlqg)
Les Rivieres Pourpres 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_mHYHy3Gz0)
Vidocq (mediocre movie, but incredile vsuals and excllent vfx flick, also, the very first completely digitaly shot feature film (a year before Mr. Lucas) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZlS5Hj2urg)
All the Asterix and Obelix live action films, no master pieces but fun movies with incredible visuals (these are also the most expensive european movies ever made).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VDJh9xy5y0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIDU8HTjTlw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcStWv7mRfs

Also, the last Asterix et Obelix animated feature was fun aswell, and very well animated. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNTFSHAxAk4&NR=1)
Brings me to another french animation, Dragon Hunters, very predictable but incredible visuals and very well animated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdmNfuW8hs) (watch this one with the english track, as the movie has been lip synced on the english audio track and dubbed in french, not the other way around as is printed the BluRay box.
The Dragon Hunters BluRay is often used as a reference BluRay because of it's incredible visuals and amazing DTS HD track. : http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews46/dragon_hunters_blu-ray.htm

Lots and lots more, but these are some i remembered and really liked.

probiner
08-22-2009, 05:25 AM
Nice, a thread that could be just one more like others talking about bad stuff that goes and comes, actually turned into a sharing of good references.

Cheers

Red_Oddity
08-22-2009, 08:00 AM
Oh and if you really want to bite into some often slow (as in, you need to have an attention span for these) but good stuff, try Michael Haneke's work.
Or some of Gaspar Noe's work, though i can't recommend it to everyone (some really heavy stuff at times)

Red_Oddity
08-22-2009, 08:24 AM
Here's some nice Danish movies, i can recommend.
Adams æbler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0bikF2KYjY)
And if you like that one you should check out Anders Thomas Jensen's other movies aswell.

Not too serious, but fun none the less.
I Kina spiser de hunde (In China they eat dogs) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OrVWbF301c)
Gamle mænd i nye biler (Old men in new cars, in China they eat dogs 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22f0ByQuVcM)

In the same fun spirit, Swedish film about cops who provide their own work to prevent being down sized because of a lack of criminals in town.
Kopps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJFdePDqKrY)

*edit*

Can't believe i forgot Zozo, when i posted Kopps, a pretty good movie also by Josef Fares.
Zozo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv5XDgk-VeY)

Sarford
08-22-2009, 04:36 PM
Just want to add
Tokyo Godfathers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxCvrzVBuXw)

One of my favourites as well :)

Red_Oddity
08-23-2009, 05:26 AM
Anyone checked out Män som hatar kvinnor?, going to watch it tonight at the theater, appearantly it's based on some master piece novel and seems to be a very good movie on its own.
Can't be too bad seeing Michael Nyqvist does the lead and Niels Arden Oplev has a very good track record as director.

The international title is 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo', in case you are searching for it.

Mr Rid
08-23-2009, 07:23 PM
The Eleanor Rigby segment from YS is still great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcIZdG4xsGg

Paul_Boland
08-23-2009, 07:58 PM
Actually, the whole of Yellow Submarine is a classic!!! I totally love it!! Remaking it in 3D... Umm... I just don't think it could be done justice. If it happens, I'll watch it with interest but it would take something ultra special to top the original, or even to stand beside it.

Mr Rid
08-24-2009, 02:49 AM
I love the movie but am not sure how much of a classic it is. Most people I talk to about it have never seen it or dont remember it from whenever they did. The fake voices are goofy but no one seems to care.

Riff_Masteroff
08-24-2009, 12:30 PM
When I reference Blue Meanies in current conversations, people's eyes glaze over.

Red_Oddity
08-24-2009, 01:31 PM
Well, if it is anything like Pete Candeland did for Rock Band Beatles, i'd go see it.
http://www.thebeatlesrockband.com/videos/cinematic/

Paul_Boland
08-24-2009, 02:36 PM
Well, if it is anything like Pete Candeland did for Rock Band Beatles, i'd go see it.
http://www.thebeatlesrockband.com/videos/cinematic/

HOLY CRAP!!! That's FANTASTIC looking!!!!!! I'm not a console owner and this is not coming out on PC. Would I buy a console just for this game... I'm shocked to find myself considering it!!!

I agree, if the remake of Yellow Submarine was along this line, it could potentially be a worthy one!!

Thanks for the link, totally love this!!!

BeeVee
08-24-2009, 04:10 PM
More Swedish films: Låt den rätte komma in (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1139797/), Tillsammans (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0203166/) and Takeshi "Beat" Kitano was a member of a comedy duo called the Two Beats in Japan before he started acting in films, and is a very funny guy despite his deadpan delivery.

B
PS. Dragon Hunters (Chasseurs de Dragons) is a fantastic film and proof that you don't need to be Pixar or Blue Sky to do amazing CG films...

B

toby
08-24-2009, 10:31 PM
When I reference Blue Meanies in current conversations, people's eyes glaze over.
You mean one of these?
:angel:

toby
08-24-2009, 10:36 PM
I agree, if the remake of Yellow Submarine was along this line, it could potentially be a worthy one!!
I would *love* to see a movie like that, even though I'm not a beatles fan - another great looking anim is the 2D/3D dream/story sequence in Tale of Desperaux. But Zemekis is 100% cg and hollywood, I doubt he's bold enough to do that.