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jaxtone
08-11-2009, 06:49 PM
Hi!

I just decided to give it a try... to become better in character setups. So I found this kind of old tutorial that I actually enjoyed and went into it from scratch. Itīs a serial of tutorials that some friendly guy have made but and it seems to excist a bunch of them.

However Part 2 seems to be missing and I cannot find it anywhere. Is it possible that anyone of you guys have a link to it, or possibly have it saved on your disks. I would really appreciate this since itīs the first tutorial I can cope with without falling asleep.

Here are the links to the other versions:

Bone rigging a character Tutorial, Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eismBN__xVU&feature=related

Bone rigging a character Tutorial, Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVIF3sWRdMY&feature=related

Bone rigging a character Tutorial, Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLGcyk1PwDA&feature=related

SplineGod
08-11-2009, 09:38 PM
There are much better and more accurate rigging tutorials out there that are also free.
Those particular ones youre viewing have a lot of bad information esp when getting iinto the IK etc. Youll see the rig having problems later and some weird advice about using IKBoost to fix flipping problems (which is also wrong).
You dont setup IK on all the bones as he shows and you dont need to apply unaffected by IK in several spots on the same chain.

Heres some links to some information on rigging:
http://www.youtube.com/user/bugzilla2001
http://www.vfxcast.com/playlist/lw_rigging/
http://puffandlarkin.com/lightwave/tutorials/character_rigging/

Mr Rid
08-12-2009, 01:15 AM
This seems to be part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBFbqA6t44o

RebelHill
08-12-2009, 02:13 AM
sg's right, loads of problems with those tuts, not good advice to follow.

jaxtone
08-12-2009, 04:22 AM
Thanks a lot for the link! I appreciate it!


This seems to be part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBFbqA6t44o

jaxtone
08-12-2009, 04:40 AM
Thanks a lot for the info Larry! Im not the one to judge whether this guy gives good or bad advices but since you have proven experience I guess you know better than anyone.

It may sounds strange to hear this from a total ignorant beginner of CA as myself since Iīve started up trying get into the depth of CA ine too many times. Today I admit I am more or less "tutorial sensitive" by the means of that I fall asleep when the voice is too slow or over protecting... Z-Z-Z-Z-Z... I also lose all my interest in a tutorial if the author exclude important parts that doesnīt give you the full story.

So in this case it may be true that what I liked mostly with this guys tutorials is that they was stucked into my memory directly, and that this is the first time I felt I was going somewhere. But hey, I am glad you warned me and I will of course try to find the energy to get through many more and different tutorials.




There are much better and more accurate rigging tutorials out there that are also free. Those particular ones youre viewing have a lot of bad information esp when getting iinto the IK etc. Youll see the rig having problems later and some weird advice about using IKBoost to fix flipping problems (which is also wrong). You dont setup IK on all the bones as he shows and you dont need to apply unaffected by IK in several spots on the same chain.

Heres some links to some information on rigging:
http://www.youtube.com/user/bugzilla2001
http://www.vfxcast.com/playlist/lw_rigging/
http://puffandlarkin.com/lightwave/tutorials/character_rigging/

jaxtone
08-12-2009, 04:44 AM
Well I guess you are another one that knows about CA on the depth and appreciate your warning signs. Iīve heard so much good about your video tutorials so Iīll get back to you pretty soon. The reason I havenīt done so up to date is that the financial situation have been totally out of order this month since one of my relatives is in the midth of a dead struggle. But today I signed up for a minor film job and eventually will update an After FX sequense for another international event next week. So pretty soon I will be back on my feet again!

And I guess you already have assured me that I wonīt fall asleep when watching your tutorials... hehehe... :D


sg's right, loads of problems with those tuts, not good advice to follow.

Mr Rid
08-12-2009, 03:27 PM
...Today I admit I am more or less "tutorial sensitive" by the means of that I fall asleep when the voice is too slow or over protecting... Z-Z-Z-Z-Z... ...

There is a LOT to be said about the voice personality of the tutorial speaker. It is an important point that is usually brought up by anyone commenting on or referring a tutorial. Some voices/mannerisms may hold more subjective appeal than others. For instance Schultz sounds fine to me, but I have heard from a few people who did not care to sit thru his tuts because of something about his voice. Poor instruction aside, I think the voice of whoever did the YT tuts in question has a quality of pulling the listener in as Jaxtone mentioned. To me Vaughan's little tuts just nail it with conciseness and a very pleasant speaking voice. If I did a tut I think I would have to run my voice thru a vocorder.

jaxtone
08-13-2009, 02:35 AM
You are damn right, Vaughn is a great narrator and instructor as well!

I might have less tolerance with sleepy performances than some people. I will not call me spoiled but after 3000 live gigs on stage as a frontman in a rock band I knew I only had one chance each time to make an impact on the crowd otherwise I was sent directly out of business. So easy to understand for each and everyone who climbs up on a stage, deliver or vanish! No walls of protection or self esteem can save you from critical audiences.

After 10 years of touring I went off the road and started studies in machine engineering. In this environment without any doubts it was a standard that the narrators and lecturers were so dead booring that almost only technical brains could stand the pain of a one hour lessonīs torture.

This leads into something I have talked about earlier and connects to the whole world of 3D. Sometimes technically advanced/booring people consider themselfe to run/rule 3D-communities and forums from the top of their own self esteem. I know my personal interest is in being creative only, and as soon as there is a technically advanced road block I have to put my inner creativity to rest until the problem is solved, which of course is painful. Not for everyone of course because there are too many technically advanced people that never avoid taking a chance of picking up a fight with a technical problem, and this keeps the universal balance intact. But thereīs a minor problem connected to this in fact that cannot be excused because it reminds me of a minor error of self esteem. Itīs when some of these technically advanced self lovers doesnīt resist a chance picking down on anyone that doesnīt reach their own technically status.

Itīs said that in every boy grows an inventor, explorer or hunter that have a hunger for solving any technical problem in front of them, then I must be the missing link between man and something else here because I have always felt that this behavior is totally uninteresting. I donīt wanna be rude here, but gotta ask if these boyish manners have anything to do on the depth with real artistical expressions? Please donīt misunderstand my intentions because really I adore people who are the opposite of myself because they all make the world more complete, but is this really the same thing or worse than just using 3D for emotional expressions?

I salute all problem solvers and technically advanced interested or self satisfying men who put all their interest in technical games, finding clues or challenge competitions because without them I wouldnīt have any nice tools to express my dreams through. But thatīs a totally different story than mine, and maybe thatīs why so many tutorials make me fall asleep! Just because the narrator are more interested in the technical parts than the pedagogical outcome.

Sorry this went out of topic but I blame it on another night without sleep! :D :hey:


There is a LOT to be said about the voice personality of the tutorial speaker. It is an important point that is usually brought up by anyone commenting on or referring a tutorial. Some voices/mannerisms may hold more subjective appeal than others. For instance Schultz sounds fine to me, but I have heard from a few people who did not care to sit thru his tuts because of something about his voice. Poor instruction aside, I think the voice of whoever did the YT tuts in question has a quality of pulling the listener in as Jaxtone mentioned. To me Vaughan's little tuts just nail it with conciseness and a very pleasant speaking voice. If I did a tut I think I would have to run my voice thru a vocorder.

walfridson
08-13-2009, 02:43 AM
Also have trouble focusing on video tutorials.

Rebelhill's how ever were just great!

MrWyatt
08-13-2009, 02:47 AM
I think the voice of whoever did the YT tuts in question has a quality of pulling the listener in as Jaxtone mentioned.

I think that sounds like dan ablan.

IMI
08-13-2009, 05:57 AM
Yeah, that's Dan Ablan, alright.

jaxtone
08-13-2009, 06:45 AM
So Ablan it is... I just met him trough the old Lightwave books... never though he was that nice listen to as well.

IMI
08-13-2009, 07:32 AM
Yeah, that's from Dan's Inside LightWave 8 book, which was the first one to come with video tutorials.

He does have a real easy style of speaking in his videos, and he is a great teacher. Very relaxed, cracks alot of jokes at times, too.

As for that rigging tutorial not being... correct, or as good as it can be, or whatever, remember, Dan's stuff was always geared towards beginners. None of his Courseware or Inside books go into anything greatly advanced.