NAB Live?

[jredmond108]

Is Newtek going to streaming live from NAB like they have done in the past few years?

I haven't seen anything about it?

thanks, James

Rogers, AR

[SBowie]

Apparently not, James - sorry.

[Rich Deustachio]

Why would they, it doesn't make sense to use a box that is made to live stream video, to live stream video..............:stumped:

[jredmond108]

thanks... too bad. I used to watch it every year (at least when I'm not at NAB). James

[SBowie]

Yeah, me too. I'm not sure why the decision went the way it did, but hope we'll hear news from those onsite during the week. And doubtless there will be some interesting press releases.

[jredmond108]

Well JVC is streaming live from their booth at:
http://www.tvworldwide.com/events/jvc/nab2009/

At least there is some live news coming out of NAB. James

[Adam_LightPlay]

Yeah, me too. I'm not sure why the decision went the way it did, but hope we'll hear news from those onsite during the week. And doubtless there will be some interesting press releases.

Monday at 1 PM and I haven't seen any "interesting press releases" either. Dealers, did they announce anything exciting at the dealer meeting?

[PIZAZZ]

NAB Report-- The booth has been packed since the doors opened. NewTek has packed their booth chairs with standing rows of people behind the chairs.

Many people are salivating over the product preview of the XD300 version of TriCaster which brings full on 4:4:4 32bit HD camera switching to the market. The improvements in the LiveSets are amazing. The Virtual Inputs are a perfect implementation to simplify even the most complex switches.

3Play is kicking butt too. I have seen several colleges ready to buy the 3Play on the spot.

Wish there was a stream from the booth too, I will suggest it to the powers that be.

[joseburgos]

XD300?
Improvements to LiveSet?
Please give us more info,

[billmi]

NewTek is doing a webcast of the NAB product releases.

They just aren't doing it until May 7th.

http://www.newtek.com/demo/

[John Perkins]

XD300?
Improvements to LiveSet?
Please give us more info,

I'm not there, I'm at home recuperating, so I don't know what is "safe" to tell.

Things that I absolutely know will be shown are...

You can mix analog and SDI, HD and SD seamlessly.
Multiple overlays down stream.
One overlay upstream on each virtual input.
Overlays can be positioned and scaled.
Overlays can be individually brought in/out with effects, not just take/fade.
Workflow improvements throughout. Too many to count, but great feedback so far.

LiveSetHD supports inputs with alpha (DDR, Titles, etc.)
Inputs are zoomable/positionable within the set to help align cameras
Sets have "analog-like" zoom, no more 4 preset zooms
Cameras can be assigned to more than one virtual input.
An amazing new keyer with a more graphical UI.

This is by far the most flexible piece of hardware I've ever seen, to the point that I have a hard time pointing out the "big" things it can do or changes from the older series.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what I can say, you'll have to wait until someone who is a little closer to LV to chime in.

[vicrest]

Well.....for me personally......I see it as a total lack of concern by Newtek for those of us who've actually supported them by buying their products.

Not one word about what they've maybe 'announced'.

I find it pretty disgusting.

[John Perkins]

I'm not speaking for marketing officially, I'm in engineering just giving my perspective.

We haven't officially announced it, it's a technology demo that is far enough along that it is presentable (and doing exceptionally well from what I've heard).

Today is 100% about the show, so marketing are all neck deep in the show floor.

We've done press releases for the new shipping products such as 3Play, but didn't want to flaunt non-shipping products.

I'm sure they looked at the options to announce technology or announce shipping products and went with the option that didn't give false expectations but still gave us a chance to show off the near future stuff that we're so proud of.

[vicrest]

Nice spin.....

I'm in marketing for my company.....so I know how hard it is to update a website, post a press release, or just 'announce' what you're doing at the major broadcasting trade show of the year.

Sorry, I think Newtek has blown it BIG-TIME today.

For a company that makes a product that directly communicates.....it's not really that hard to communicate.

(If you want to.)

[joseburgos]

I'm not there, I'm at home recuperating, so I don't know what is "safe" to tell.

Things that I absolutely know will be shown are...

You can mix analog and SDI, HD and SD seamlessly.
Multiple overlays down stream.
One overlay upstream on each virtual input.
Overlays can be positioned and scaled.
Overlays can be individually brought in/out with effects, not just take/fade.
Workflow improvements throughout. Too many to count, but great feedback so far.

LiveSetHD supports inputs with alpha (DDR, Titles, etc.)
Inputs are zoomable/positionable within the set to help align cameras
Sets have "analog-like" zoom, no more 4 preset zooms
Cameras can be assigned to more than one virtual input.
An amazing new keyer with a more graphical UI.

This is by far the most flexible piece of hardware I've ever seen, to the point that I have a hard time pointing out the "big" things it can do or changes from the older series.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what I can say, you'll have to wait until someone who is a little closer to LV to chime in.

Man that sounds like a lot of good stuff. Can't wait to see it in action.

[DiscreetFX]

New developments sound very cool.

[Adam_LightPlay]

Thank you John Perkins, for doubling as infomation provider. You are all we got, so far.

OK, yesterday I had a little attitude. But all is forgiven. As long as I get to believe that every man hour went into making that KICK *** PRODUCT you just described, and that's why press releases, and live shows didn't make the cut.
The XD300 sounds amazing, I want one. So the future begins when?

[John Perkins]

I hear Q4 for TriCaster XD300, and 3Play is out the door already.

Here is a blog I bumped into that has lots of good info:
http://newteknews.blogspot.com/

One of his pics shows Don running the XD300 so you can see the output and the UI on the projectors.

And here is an article on tvnewsday:
http://www.tvnewsday.com/articles/2009/04/20/daily.18/

There are MANY articles on these two, but I picked two at random:

TriCaster upgrade guarantee: http://www.cgfocus.com/news/story/4134

3Play: http://nab.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=718684

Edit: in that pic, you can see that he has the second virtual input setup tab selected on the left, the switcher-like butons are for selecting sources to use. On the right is the new DDR (oops, actually it's titles) with the storyboard interface. He's got a ton of sources in use in that demo including both DSK's. Please don't make your actual production look like that...

[Bill_Evans]

I hear Q4 for TriCaster XD300, and 3Play is out the door already.


John,

Thanks for sharing the links for those of us who passed up NAB this year, hope whatever you are recuperating from you get better soon.
-Bill

[SBowie]

We've done press releases for the new shipping products such as 3Play, but didn't want to flaunt non-shipping products.I think that's very sensible. Base capabilities are being demonstrated publicly for the first time, but afaik a lot of details aren't finalized at this time.

[John Perkins]

Don't get the wrong idea, I'm just taking time off after the string of all-nighters needed to get XD300 ready for NAB. I don't know how Andrew managed to make it to the show, he should have been an athlete.

I'm only awake this early trying to reset my body clock out of nocturnal mode.

Thanks for the concern though, I appreciate the thought. :thumbsup:

[SBowie]

Man that sounds like a lot of good stuff. Can't wait to see it in action.Just to comment on one aspect - something that has been a frequent request in this forum is the ability to create and freely reposition a PiP, whether for a traditional over-the-should shot or to add an inset for a scoreboard or game clock.

I can count four separate ways to do this in TC XD300, repositioning and scaling on-the-fly that do not require use of a LiveSet. Three of them permit the inset to be displayed/removed with a custom transition. Two methods allow the inset to be shown continuously right through a Program<>Preview Transition, and the other two can remove the inset with Program<>Preview Transition. How cool is that? :D

[SBowie]

I don't know how Andrew managed to make it to the show, he should have been an athlete.He should be in a coma ... the man is clearly a Skynet plant.

[jredmond108]

John,

thanks for all the information.

Will the XD300 do simultaneous recording of the camera inputs. That would be idea for me in a live event. Then I can go back and correct my errors in the live switching.

Thanks again, James

[SBowie]

Will the XD300 do simultaneous recording of the camera inputs.3Play will, but this is not an XD300 feature.

Now, just my two cents, and this is not to say that designs don't change or that no future models will ever support multi-stream capture (who knows?) ... but it's worth remembering that TC is first and foremost a live production and broadcast system, and those design criteria take precedence.

[Paul Lara]

Well.....for me personally......I see it as a total lack of concern by Newtek for those of us who've actually supported them by buying their products.

Well, my apologies for the lack of bandwidth, and there is no intention to make loyal NewTek customers feel slighted in any way.

The reality is that all departments (Engineering, Marketing, Sales and Operations) have been running full-bore in preparation for this show. Now that the doors have opened, all NewTek staffers are fully immersed with inquiries from people three deep about 3PLAY, TriCaster BROADCAST and TriCaster XD300.

Just as we did with the roll-out of 3PLAY, NewTek is preparing to provide even more information that we're making available at the show in a couple weeks. You can sign up for this webcast here. (http://www.newtek.com/demo/)

One of the largest difficulties in providing a live stream is that there are two different - in fact quite opposite - audiences to serve: The stream of producers wandering past the booth and the folks at home watching for hours and hours. The presentation style for each audience needs to be completely different, and we decided to place our priority on the producers in the aisles.

Not one word about what they've maybe 'announced'.
I find it pretty disgusting.

There are two press releases posted on our website. Here (http://www.newtek.com/news/pressrelease.php?viewpr=103) and Here (http://www.newtek.com/news/pressrelease.php?viewpr=104).

I'm sorry you're disgusted, but I hope you can appreciate that the entire sales and marketing staff are swamped in the booth. TriCaster XD300 is not yet shipping. If it were, there would already be a web site, specs and full information available to you.

Now, to the issue of what's going on at NAB, I'll post an update in a new thread.

Paul

[D3Cast]

Question... what is the integration workflow between the 3PLAY and the XD300? The XD300 has three inputs, correct? Would one of those inputs have to be taken up by the return feed from the 3PLAY, or is there another, super-secret way to get the 3PLAY playout video back into the XD300?

-steve

[SBowie]

The XD300 has three inputs, correct? Would one of those inputs have to be taken up by the return feed from the 3PLAY, or is there another, super-secret way to get the 3PLAY playout video back into the XD300?Yes (a video input would be required) and no (no super-secret transmission).

Interesting to think about possibilities. You could do it the other way around - send the TC output to 3Play, then onward to downstream display ... which is kind of an interesting notion when you think about it, though it has a similar limitation (i.e., you have to devote an input to TC) and obviously wouldn't be everyone's first choice. Or, with 3Play in 3-Out mode, you could feed all three cameras through 3-Play and on to TC as three separate feeds ... meaning full-time capture of all three, with simultaneous instant replay and/or slomo of any of them (without interuppting the 3-stream full-time recording), plus all the usual TC goodness downstream - including recording the switched output. Fun stuff!

[bbeanan]

Well if it was that important to you to see what was new Why didn't you come to NAB... Exhibit Passes were freely available, hotels are cheap and gas prices are much lower than last year...

Just my 2 cents...

so hop on a plane or start driving you can still make it to the show... (should cost you less than $700)

[D3Cast]

[...]you could feed all three cameras through 3-Play and on to TC as three separate feeds ... meaning full-time capture of all three, with simultaneous instant replay and/or slomo of any of them (without interuppting the 3-stream full-time recording), plus all the usual TC goodness downstream - including recording the switched output....in which case (and I'm not trying to nitpick, just making sure I understand) the only limitation would be that you could not transition from the camera you were replaying BACK to that camera's live shot. Right? I know 3PLAY is not a switcher, but does it have any transition capability in and out of its own replays?

This would seem like a fairly workable solution to preserve the ability to do a 3-camera HD switch with full replay, but if you were replaying your game camera, and action started again quickly, and you needed to dump out of or end the replay quickly and go back to your game camera, that sounds like it might be a little hinky.

Thanks for the quick response, Steve, and to John and Paul for their updates, as well.

-steve

[SBowie]

...in which case (and I'm not trying to nitpick, just making sure I understand) the only limitation would be that you could not transition from the camera you were replaying BACK to that camera's live shot.Understood - and yes, you're correct. 3Play would cut back to Live.

You could mask it though, with a very short interstitial, or transition out of the replay to a different camera. Just to mention it in this context, something that hasn't been previously mentioned is XD300's "Autoplay" feature, which is in a sense an improved "Cue".

I haven't tested this, but pretty sure it would work as described:

- turn on "Alternate" in the Switcher's Transitions section
- rack up a series of short interstitials in the DDR
- do a replay on (say) Camera 1 coming from 3Play to XD300
- when ready, do a fast transition from Cam1 (the replay) to the DDR
- click the "Live" button on 3Play

The DDR would run the interstitial, and just as it ends, it would automatically perform a reverse transition back to Cam1, which is now live and (unseen) advance the DDR to the next playlist item. This would all take just two operator clicks.

[D3Cast]

Thanks for the creative thinking, Steve, and I definitely take to heart what John said in the other thread, that this is just the beginning of a new wave of NT products; that there is hardware and software functionality -- and workflows to utilize them -- that are yet to be determined.

Congrats to all at NewTek for the buzz at NAB.

-steve

[SBowie]

Thanks for the creative thinking, SteveThis is going to be another in a long line of products from NewTek that have so many creative possibilities (often multiple ways to do a thing) that it's hard to describe them.

[D3Cast]

[...]it's hard to describe them.So, your job just got more difficult, then? :D

-s

[SBowie]

Hah! True. (I guess that's why they call it 'manual labour'). :D

[billmi]

Ouch :-)

[Quiet1onTheSet]

Hah! True. (I guess that's why they call it 'manual labour'). :D
Even so, Steve, yours has got to be one of the most fun and engaging jobs on the planet right about now.
:sleeping:

St-Ste-Steve! Steven? Wake up!! 8~

[SBowie]

You're right of course - spending them morning wrestling with Word's automatic page (to make sure chapters begin on a right hand page) is a life of high adventure. Not all are cut out for this level of exhilarating action, but it's a wild ride! :D

[vicrest]

Well, my apologies for the lack of bandwidth, and there is no intention to make loyal NewTek customers feel slighted in any way.

The reality is that all departments (Engineering, Marketing, Sales and Operations) have been running full-bore in preparation for this show. Now that the doors have opened, all NewTek staffers are fully immersed with inquiries from people three deep about 3PLAY, TriCaster BROADCAST and TriCaster XD300.

Just as we did with the roll-out of 3PLAY, NewTek is preparing to provide even more information that we're making available at the show in a couple weeks. You can sign up for this webcast here. (http://www.newtek.com/demo/)

One of the largest difficulties in providing a live stream is that there are two different - in fact quite opposite - audiences to serve: The stream of producers wandering past the booth and the folks at home watching for hours and hours. The presentation style for each audience needs to be completely different, and we decided to place our priority on the producers in the aisles.



There are two press releases posted on our website. Here (http://www.newtek.com/news/pressrelease.php?viewpr=103) and Here (http://www.newtek.com/news/pressrelease.php?viewpr=104).

I'm sorry you're disgusted, but I hope you can appreciate that the entire sales and marketing staff are swamped in the booth. TriCaster XD300 is not yet shipping. If it were, there would already be a web site, specs and full information available to you.

Now, to the issue of what's going on at NAB, I'll post an update in a new thread.

Paul

Let me address.

Newtek is a 'victim' of it's own success.

I want to know more.

But, it wouldn't have taken very much from Newtek to let 'us' here in-on what you were showing. If it was important enough to show at NAB.....why wasn't it important enough to tell us about it?

Sorry, those two press releases didn't cover what you showed at NAB.....

You (marketing, eng, or whoever...) didn't take even a moment to let us (the guys who have bought your products) into what was you were showing at NAB.

Even now.....you've yet to provide any video from the show.

Yea, I now that in a few weeks you'll get around to a web demo.

But my real gripe is you didn't feel it necessary to let us into what you were showing to others at NAB.

And to the guy who says I should have gone to NAB.....I'm kinda working here to keep my doors open......I just didn't have the time to go.....but can read and view (if it's important enough to 'update'.)

I didn't expect a special presentation just for me.....but since you build a box that easily streams.....I did expect something from Newtek about what was happening there.

As a customer of your products (yes you already have some of my money)....I expected at least 'some of the information' that you were giving out at NAB.

Newtek has come up short.....

[Zane Condren]

We will be showing everything we showed at NAB09 Next Thursday May 7th as part of our Online demo series. Waiting a few weeks after NAB gives our demo guys a few days off to recoup and provides us time to market the event.

We feel that streaming Live video from NAB doesn't really provide the best experience for the viewer. At a Trade show we are doing the demo to grab people walking by, it's a different approach then a demo video for the web.

[vicrest]

And again......you miss my point.

You (marketing, eng, or whoever...) didn't take even a moment to let us (the guys who have bought your products) into what was you were showing at NAB.

[billmi]

I didn't expect a special presentation just for me.....but since you build a box that easily streams.....I did expect something from Newtek about what was happening there.

Actually, I think it's in the best interest of companies who exhibit at NAB to not webcast their presentations for two reasons, both of which Paul Lara noted.

1 - The at NAB audience really is a different audience than the web streamed audience a better presentation can be made to attendees if it's being made just to attendees.

2 - Attendance at NAB has declined. The more webcasting and "from the floor" publication that goes on, the less incentive there is for people to actually attend NAB. The fewer people attend, while the costs of presenting at NAB stay the same or increases, the more expensive it becomes (on a per potential customer reached basis) NAB becomes.

A webcast presentation focused just on the webcast audience doesn't need to be done from NAB to be effective. NewTek can do it at a lower cost from their own facility, and the number of potential customers who went to NAB and will be lost because they didn't see the webcast in the 2 week window between NAB and the webcast is probably pretty slim.

[wftiv]

Get off your butt and head to "Vegas baby." The new HD box coming in the last Quarter of the year is amazing and I actually think that the people who will be making up the biggest market will be braodcasters and big time streaming companies. The box is not inexpensive at $20K plus, but you can buy a Tricaster Pro and above and get a full credit for the cost against the new box. That seems to me to indicate that NewTek does have their customers in mind.

[PIZAZZ]

Get off your butt and head to "Vegas baby." The new HD box coming in the last Quarter of the year is amazing and I actually think that the people who will be making up the biggest market will be braodcasters and big time streaming companies. The box is not inexpensive at $20K plus, but you can buy a Tricaster Pro and above and get a full credit for the cost against the new box. That seems to me to indicate that NewTek does have their customers in mind.

Actually Bill the cost for the XD300 will be $15K not 20K. :) NewTek is definitely taking care of their own. I know of no other company I have relations with that is so generous on their upgrade policy.