London Fog. [Archive] - NewTek Discussions

JBT27

01-14-2009, 03:31 PM

So I just finished reading a novel that takes place in England.

At the start of the book it is foggy and raining. In the middle of the book it is foggy and raining, and at the end of the book it is foggy and raining. I think there might be about two pages in the book where it isn't raining. Is it really that bad? If it is I feel sorry for you soggy chaps.

Ooh....a weather thread, specially designed for Brits :D

Not really foggy and raining so often - and thankfully not the old days of the infamous 'pea soupers' that London, especially, used to suffer. Now that was killer fog, literally.

Last year, in my neck-of-the-woods, I remember probably three mornings of actual dense fog (visibility down to about 200ft - so not super-dense), and really not that much rain. Though others did and had their homes flooded for the umpteenth time in a row.

Quite liking the recent 'cold snap' - makes a pleasant change from the dull and overcast winters we've been getting lately.

Julian.

adamredwoods

01-14-2009, 03:42 PM

We get fog in San Francisco. Lots. Especially in the summer.

Matt

01-14-2009, 04:24 PM

The bottom line is ... the UK has crap weather most of the time, and these days, most of our Summers are a total wash out.

This is why Brits complain so much! The weather turns us all into whinging Northerners (I can say that, I'm a Northerner!)

:D

Weetos

01-14-2009, 04:40 PM

Believe it or not, I spent a whole week in London in may '08 and it was sunny and hot (even got a sunburn - wouldn't ever imagine that !), the weather there was actually hotter than where I live when I left, almost 700km to the south ; )

People in London told me that was not so common though

Tobian

01-14-2009, 06:02 PM

Sorry matt, you are winging, but I refute Northern :p

My experience of London is also hot, and yes, I nearly got sunburn there too LOL. It's also hot AND sticky, it's like riding the Sauna, not an underground :D

Could be worse... could live on the West coast... they get all the rain :D

It really annoys me when I get random ICQ contacts from foreign parts, and they ALL ask how the weather is, like they tell you 'this is how you talk to English people' :D

colkai

01-15-2009, 09:47 AM

I work in Manchester - it's a running gag that it always rains there.
I recall an advert back in the day for a weatherproof camera, showed someone at the side of a canal in the rain with the tag line "It even works in Manchester!" :p

akademus

01-15-2009, 10:00 AM

Yeah, weather in england...
300 days in a year it's raining, the rest is just bad weather :D

DiedonD

01-16-2009, 03:35 AM

Last year, in my neck-of-the-woods, I remember probably three mornings of actual dense fog (visibility down to about 200ft - so not super-dense), and really not that much rain. Though others did and had their homes flooded for the umpteenth time in a row.

The last winter, there was Fog for a week, and one or two days I dont remember, the fog was so dense, your own hand faded away the more you moved it forward from you!

You have that dense over there up north?

Tobian

01-16-2009, 04:01 AM

No weather only happens properly in the south! Blooming southerners, they get everything! :p

If you've ever heard the song 'fog on the tyne' (and I pity you if you have! :D) You'll know we get a lot of fog up here.. and often on the Tyne :D Quite spooky when you're on one of the bridges going over it, and there's only a white haze below you! :)

JBT27

01-16-2009, 04:06 AM

The last winter, there was Fog for a week, and one or two days I dont remember, the fog was so dense, your own hand faded away the more you moved it forward from you!

You have that dense over there up north?

Nope, nothing like that - not even close. The absolute worst I remember, was while in the north east of England, we drove around 60 miles through moorland and forest roads, and some villages, with visibility down to about 10ft - 30ft; that was around 1987.

Other than vague recollections of the 1963 winter, extreme weather around here, is really not that extreme in the grand scheme of things.

Snow has been very rare in recent years. To show how rare, in the early 1990s, we had an overnight snowfall of about 1ft, which of course drifted and piled up a bit. There was a 'threat' of more the next day. Some country roads were blocked. So that day, my city decided to stay shut - hardly anyone went to work. We managed to get into town on the bus!! I just wish I'd taken my camera - seemed like the eve of doomsday. The next day, Chester was named and shamed in the national press for being so lame :D

God help us if we ever have proper weather :eek: :D

Julian.

JBT27

01-16-2009, 04:09 AM

DiedonD

01-16-2009, 04:14 AM

Nope, nothing like that - not even close. The absolute worst I remember, was while in the north east of England, we drove around 60 miles through moorland and forest roads, and some villages, with visibility down to about 10ft - 30ft; that was around 1987.

Other than vague recollections of the 1963 winter, extreme weather around here, is really not that extreme in the grand scheme of things.

Snow has been very rare in recent years. To show how rare, in the early 1990s, we had an overnight snowfall of about 1ft, which of course drifted and piled up a bit. There was a 'threat' of more the next day. Some country roads were blocked. So that day, my city decided to stay shut - hardly anyone went to work. We managed to get into town on the bus!! I just wish I'd taken my camera - seemed like the eve of doomsday. The next day, Chester was named and shamed in the national press for being so lame :D

God help us if we ever have proper weather :eek: :D

Julian.

Yeah, it snows here heavily! Not anymore, though it is expected to do so again after a while. And its a mountanous region you see. So in the right conditions, all the snow and the rivers create so much fog that it goes downwards to cities.

People have been known to park their cars on the safest place they could recall by memory solely, just because of that white darkness. And they walked from there onwards cause it was impossible to see and ride a car!

Tobian

01-16-2009, 05:19 AM

Haha sounds madness! Not had super dense fog like that in a while but I can recall some years ago :)

Tynemouth's not far from where I live actually, great place! :)

DiedonD

01-16-2009, 05:35 AM

Haha sounds madness! Not had super dense fog like that in a while but I can recall some years ago :)

Tynemouth's not far from where I live actually, great place! :)

:gotpics:

Here are mine for our mountains:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33311484@N00/465218764/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/berat/529691148/

And during snow:

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%3 Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dkosova%2Bmountains%2Bpictures&w=500&h=239&imgurl=static.flickr.com%2F2374%2F1849521127_b9940 a281f.jpg&size=62.5kB&name=1849521127_b9940a281f.jpg&rcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fkosov akid%2F1849521127%2F&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fkosova kid%2F1849521127%2F&p=kosova+mountains&type=jpeg&no=2&tt=293&oid=25e1ef3b54e8ff1c&fusr=kosova+cajun&hurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fkosova kid%2F&tit=Kosova+snow&sigr=11ifsi5h1&sigi=11gcmt8k4&sigb=123tnec7q&sigh=117p9orlp

Ive found those in Yahoo search. But if you have some of your own. I could take a shot of a few interesting ones here...

pauland

01-16-2009, 05:50 AM

London fog? I would say it's pretty rare, but was common in the 1950s because of smoke pollution.

dballesg

01-16-2009, 06:16 AM

Tobian

01-16-2009, 06:29 AM

I don't do heat! :p Spain is a beautiful country (once you get out of the tourist areas), but I am content only to see it in pictures, and visit once or twice :)

dballesg

01-16-2009, 06:36 AM

I don't do heat! :p Spain is a beautiful country (once you get out of the tourist areas), but I am content only to see it in pictures, and visit once or twice :)

Where I live, today it is 9.5 Cº I wouldn't call that "heat" :)

Medi8or

01-16-2009, 06:58 AM

It beats our ~0 ºC.
The winter here is typically rain and sleet, and once or twice january-march, we'll get 30-40 cm wet snow during a night, and it will melt slowly away in the rain during the next days. Not snow for skiing and having fun, just for making you cold, wet, and miserable. :(

DiedonD

01-16-2009, 07:56 AM

Hi,

I do not want to hijack the thread, but the weather in england it is one of the reasons why you guys love to come to live here :devil: :

Life & style Spain (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2007/jan/27/weekend.gilestremlett)

Number of Britons seeking new life in Spain rises by 12% (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/dec/31/spain-britons-migrate)

David

I considered Spain once too. For tourism that is. But was immediately warned from robbers there! They say having money at ATM is not a problem at all. They stick a gun on you, and you go ahead and retrieve 500 Euros from the ATM and hand it over to him, no problems caused in the middle of that sunny day even! The guy was from Hungary that told me so, and didnt liked it at all.

And temperatures here are better now, they are zero.

Better than -20 at night and -12 to -16 degrees C in day that is!

dballesg

01-16-2009, 08:09 AM

I considered Spain once too. For tourism that is. But was immediately warned from robbers there! They say having money at ATM is not a problem at all. They stick a gun on you, and you go ahead and retrieve 500 Euros from the ATM and hand it over to him, no problems caused in the middle of that sunny day even! The guy was from Hungary that told me so, and didnt liked it at all.

And temperatures here are better now, they are zero.

Better than -20 at night and -12 to -16 degrees C in day that is!

Who told you that lied. Basically it is like on any other country. You need to know where you go, and with whom you go! :)

When I was on the states all the people told me not go out ALONE at night and do not walk, and get a car. I didn't had a driver license then, so I walked a lot at night (3 a.m.) and I was never stopped or assaulted. I even said "G'Night" to the same police car every night I get out. They must thought I was bonkers! :) That was in Phoenix.

But I can assure you spain cities are between the safest ones in Europe.

I do not know if Mark still works for Newtek Europe, but when he was in Madrid years ago, I took him with other people to have drinks at night, and he was surprise of how secure it was.

He told me he wouldn't dare to do that on Paris! :)

David

JBT27

01-16-2009, 08:18 AM

Tynemouth's not far from where I live actually, great place! :)

Lucky you! :)

Julian.

biliousfrog

01-16-2009, 08:54 AM

People in the UK always complain about the crap summers but they seem to forget the mild sunny winters too. There's no such thing as bad weather, just the wrong clothes.

adamredwoods

01-16-2009, 02:08 PM

DiedonD

01-17-2009, 01:45 AM

Here's some San Francisco Bay fog.

(not my photos)
http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/North_America/United_States/photo790039.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/octoferret/2609406700/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/octoferret/2650343997/
http://flickr.com/photos/kandjwander/233496818/
http://flickr.com/photos/udaho/188507888/

The second one in line, looks almost as if though it was prepared on a PS lol. Just the land, and the rest cutted away in dirty white to gray color behind.

I dont have the Fog of last years captured, cause it wouldve been just like that second one, but not even lands visible, just that white there!

JBT27

01-17-2009, 04:25 AM

People in the UK always complain about the crap summers but they seem to forget the mild sunny winters too. There's no such thing as bad weather, just the wrong clothes.

But surely going out in the wrong clothes is quintissentially British, no matter what the weather?..... mad dogs and Englishmen and all that ..... ! :D

Julian.

cresshead

01-17-2009, 08:10 AM

i think england can be visially described 90% of any day as the following>

for cg artists> "ambient acclusion pass only no direct source of light"
for non cg artists> "overcast"

to decribe england's weather as a colour sample rgb> 125,125,125

:D

Tobian

01-17-2009, 08:20 AM

Hahahaha!

Unless you live on the west coast, in which case you're going to need dielectric shaders for all those wet-look scenes :)

cresshead

01-17-2009, 08:32 AM

piks taken on my psp camera add on during my usual 'start the day walk' i take every morning..
this was last week..

*Pete*

01-17-2009, 03:49 PM

the west coast of Norway (specially Bergen) is (in)famous for its rain, wind and fog..the rain comes usually horizontally and sometimes it even comes from down and goes upwards...there's a lot of rain there.

we call it "english weather".

south-east Norway and Sweden has far better weather.

meshpig

01-18-2009, 01:36 AM

But surely going out in the wrong clothes is quintissentially British, no matter what the weather?..... mad dogs and Englishmen and all that ..... ! :D

Julian.

Yep, will vouch for that. You can pick the Brits here in the middle of Winter when it's kind of cold because they're in their shorts and T-shirts baring too much skin anticipating warm weather ( which in any case is only ever a few months away).

Then again, Winter is so mild here you can almost get by with no serious Winter gear apart from a rain jacket.

m

akademus

01-18-2009, 01:55 PM

Then again, Winter is so mild here you can almost get by with no serious Winter gear apart from a rain jacket.

m

Coming from European continental climate I found particularly funny watching Sydney-siders buying all kinds of heaters and warm jackets during winter time. I use to come to work in the middle of the winter wearing only a hoodie to a surprise of everyone in the studio :D

*Pete*

01-18-2009, 02:03 PM

When i was on vacation in Rome, Italy at december (2004) the italians were dressed like eskimoes and me and my wife, coming from the much colder Norway walked around the city wearing T-shirts...

come on, Italian winter??..they even had green grass and leafs on the trees.

Matt

01-18-2009, 05:40 PM

Seems the British aren't the only ones obsessed with the weather! Look at you guys! :D

meshpig

01-19-2009, 05:06 AM

... funny watching Sydney-siders buying all kinds of heaters and warm jackets during winter time.

Yeah, that too but 9 ℃ is cold for us here because you lose habituation to any real cold pretty quickly. I grew up in cold climes too.

DiedonD

01-20-2009, 04:57 AM

piks taken on my psp camera add on during my usual 'start the day walk' i take every morning..
this was last week..

Well by the time I saw these pictures the snow has started to melt here. Since its 9 degree C here aswell.

But this is usually the bastards weathers' ways here. It will become kinda hotter at first, softening you up see. And the moment you start getting use to it, and decide to remove the heavy gear WAMMMM!!! Its -15C all of a suden!

So Im expecting that blow, and Ill take the pictures then, to capture the winter harshness of Kosova better for you.

kopperdrake

01-20-2009, 07:30 AM

colkai

01-20-2009, 07:39 AM

one round here "Billinge Mist", meaning it's gray drizzle and you can't see Billinge lump. :)

DiedonD

01-20-2009, 07:43 AM

You can tell the British are obssessed with the weather, look at how many words for rain we have!

Raining
Drizzling
Spitting
Downpour
Bucketing
Mizzle
Deluge
Cats and dogs
Pouring
Pelting
Sheets
Stair-rods
Pitch-forks
Teeming
Driving
Chucking it down
Throwing it down
Tipping it down
Horizontal
Lashing
Showers
Heavens opened
Sunshowers

And one of my favourites from here in Derbyshire if it looks like it's going to rain people'll say "It's lookin' a bit black over Bill's mother's".

I get the rest, especially that last one, pretty funny LOL :thumbsup:

But you call rain with names like 'Driving' and 'Cats and Dogs'?

How so? I mean like:

'Hmmm, looks like it will be Cats and Dogs a bit today!'

And what if you were too drunk to realize in time that you were put on the back of your friends car. And as you wake up you see that its raining and you hate it. And you turn to your friend whose driving and hatefully say 'Ahhhh, DRIVING!!!!'

Isnt that confusing?

jasonwestmas

01-20-2009, 07:49 AM

cagey5

01-20-2009, 08:32 AM

I get the rest, especially that last one, pretty funny LOL :thumbsup:

But you call rain with names like 'Driving' and 'Cats and Dogs'?

How so? I mean like:

'Hmmm, looks like it will be Cats and Dogs a bit today!'

And what if you were too drunk to realize in time that you were put on the back of your friends car. And as you wake up you see that its raining and you hate it. And you turn to your friend whose driving and hatefully say 'Ahhhh, DRIVING!!!!'

Isnt that confusing?

The two you mention are normally used with the term rain so ' driving rain' is usually very hard rain mixed with strong winds. The other is always '... raining cats and dogs..' so context isn't an issue. Not sure of the origin though.

inakito

01-22-2009, 06:15 AM

I am in London 5 years already, the last proper summer was 3 years ago and today is raining again... ******* hell!!!

XD

biliousfrog

01-22-2009, 08:03 AM

And one of my favourites from here in Derbyshire if it looks like it's going to rain people'll say "It's lookin' a bit black over Bill's mother's".

A friend of mine started saying, 'it's a bit black over Will's mother's' a couple of years back. He'd heard his mother-in-law use it....so that's where it comes from!

I don't think that there's a definitive answer why we say 'raining cats and dogs' but one theory is that it comes from a time when dead, stray animals would get washed along the gutters in the street when it poured with rain...looking like they had fallen with the rain.

meshpig

01-23-2009, 01:52 AM

Fog? Clear as a bell & 30℃ @ 7 pm.

I dunno, I used to love the "pea soup" in London.

68571

meshpig

01-24-2009, 12:54 AM

DiedonD

01-24-2009, 03:28 AM

... and 46+ ℃ today (the official temp is taken at the airport by the sea. Today's forecast was only 28 to begin with). It's like being in Dubai or somewhere in the desert..... grrrrr!

- The A/C barely counters the heat of the TV and the computers... if only it would just snow or something? Fog, rain, wind whatever!:)

68615

If there was a good teleporting way to balance those issues we would all be fine with that!

See your too hot, we are too cold. You want some of this coldness, and we want some of that hottness! Now, with the technology described so much in detail above, we wouldve shared these and make the most desirable temperature on earth for everyone, which is 23C!

Same goes for fat an thin people. Fat people want so much to ged rid of some fat that thin people adore it so much on the other hand. Somekinda fat teleporting device would do well there aswell!

Anyone here dares to disagree? :D

Medi8or

01-24-2009, 05:40 AM

..
Same goes for fat an thin people. Fat people want so much to ged rid of some fat that thin people adore it so much on the other hand. Somekinda fat teleporting device would do well there aswell!

Anyone here dares to disagree? :DSure.
I'm thin, and I'm probably just as "aware of it" as any overweight person is about his/her overweight, but why in the world would I want fat?
That seems pretty much like transfering just heatstrokes through that teleporter, but no actual heat.. ;)

DiedonD

01-24-2009, 06:33 AM

Sure.
I'm thin, and I'm probably just as "aware of it" as any overweight person is about his/her overweight, but why in the world would I want fat?
That seems pretty much like transfering just heatstrokes through that teleporter, but no actual heat.. ;)

Didnt you ever wanted to have a few pounds more?!

I know I did. I was so skinny at my teenage that every T-Shirt I wore would have enough rooms between it and my skin, that wind would encrycle inside making bloody typohoony waves from it. Lucky that the wind didnt took the whole thing away LOL.

I use to be jealous of other more 'filled' people. Whose mail facets would shape the T-shirt upon wear.

And while I was trying to gain weight, ironically fat people wanted to loose it. Thus came the 'fatporter' idea :D

*Pete*

01-24-2009, 06:56 AM

... and 46+ ℃ today (the official temp is taken at the airport by the sea. Today's forecast was only 28 to begin with). It's like being in Dubai or somewhere in the desert..... grrrrr!

we are having 0 C right now, its snowing nonstop....

its not too cold, not as cold as it gets at times...its just exactly cold enough to freeze water and to prevent snow from melting.

but when it gets to -20 C or worse, like the -40 C as we get where i was born in North Finland...you would not complain about heat ever in your life.

its so cold that if you eat an icecream it will feel warm in comparison, its so cold that if you try to pee on a tree you wont be able to..all of the urine turns into steam before reaching its mark...

its so cold that you physically feel your brain, this becouse the temperature difference between the skull and its inside is enourmous, its so cold that you cant move or feel your fingers or toes...you eyelashes, eyebrows and beard freeze into a white, icy consistence becouse of the humidity that escapes your mouth, skin and eyes will freeze on anything that doesnt produce heat (hair for example).

its so cold that the danger of sweating is real...the sweat will freeze as soon as you cool down, as happened to one soldier when i was in the army..he froze his hat into his head, unable to take it of untill it melted off.

so..you are complaining about heat?...yeah, poor poor you.:D

*Pete*

01-24-2009, 07:01 AM

as for fat & thin people...both need muscles.

muscles will burn fat off from the fat people and muscles will give weight and size to the thing ones....

Medi8or, meld deg på S.A.T.S :)

DiedonD

01-24-2009, 07:09 AM

as for fat & thin people...both need muscles.

muscles will burn fat off from the fat people and muscles will give weight and size to the thing ones....

Medi8or, meld deg på S.A.T.S :)

Well if you are going to build muscles, you do need something to start with!

Take some fat from fat people and excercize it into muscles.

Cant have muscles if your skin and bones!

Medi8or

01-24-2009, 07:14 AM

Didnt you ever wanted to have a few pounds more?!Sure, but muscle mass, not fat.
I don't see how it would be better being bigger, but with no extra strength to carry the weight.
(well, there is that extra layer of insulation in the winter, but...)

DiedonD

01-24-2009, 07:18 AM

Sure, but muscle mass, not fat.
I don't see how it would be better being bigger, but with no extra strength to carry the weight.
(well, there is that extra layer of insulation in the winter, but...)

Well again, same thing, go to a single post of mine up there.

Muscles cant size up if you dont feed them! Do you know how much food would be required for someone of skin and bones statue to gain muscles?! Especially if youre headed for the natural way to gain?

Its so much that the first mucles to grow out of proportions would be your jaw muscles!

It wouldve been alot easier to fatport some from them, they dont need it anyway, and then work with that fatported fat to make those muscles!

Medi8or

01-24-2009, 07:27 AM

Medi8or, meld deg på S.A.T.S :)
Hehe.. Det er jo en mulighet. :)

Medi8or

01-24-2009, 07:30 AM

Well again, same thing, go to a single post of mine up there. Can't transform fat to muscle. Simply not possible.

DiedonD

01-24-2009, 07:40 AM

Hva er SATS? Jeg skrånende finner det i Wikipedia! :hey:

DiedonD

01-24-2009, 07:44 AM

Can't transform fat to muscle. Simply not possible.

Surely not! But muscles need to burn fat, and grow from the process! You cant grow muscle without feeding can you?

Now, youll need to overconsume if you intend to make muscles naturally! Cover normal hunger for normal bodily processes, plus something so as to gain muscles! And thats alota food involved!

So Im saying instead of consuming it, as a shortcut, fatport some and process that readly made fat instead! Get me?

*Pete*

01-24-2009, 07:48 AM

Muscles cant size up if you dont feed them! Do you know how much food would be required for someone of skin and bones statue to gain muscles?! Especially if youre headed for the natural way to gain?

naturally a human body can produce roughly 2 kg of muscles in a year, prodived that you train, eat and sleep correctly.

Muscles do not grow of fat or carbohydrates, they grow of protein.

Fat, carbs and protein are all typical ingredients in food.

Carbs provide energy (think fast energy as Sugar and lasting energy as potatoes).

Fat can be transformed into carbs by your body, but the process is energy consuming and is the reason for the tired, lazy feeling after you eat a meal with a lot of fat.

Protein can also be transformed into carbs and gives the same lazy effect as fat does.

energy not used will be stored as fat.

Carbs and Fat cant be turned into protein...

you body is able to absorb roughly 2 gram of protein for each kg of your body weight in a day..so it is important to have a diet with lots of protein (fish, chicken, meat, eggs). and low on fat..since fat gives nothing to your body that carbs or proteins cant give.
all fat does is to make you lazy and steal your energy.

for fat, thin and medium built people..its doesnt matter how they start out, if they are untrained the first 6-12 months of training will give HUGE results as the body rapidly grows into a natural shape that it is genetically built for.

after the initial huge improvement you will enter the slow growth where the rest of us are...slow changes, slow improvement...i just spent 6 months of hard training for a 10 percent increase on benchpress strenght, a newcomer who is untrained will see a 50-60 percent strenght increase within the first six months even with relative easy training.

and yes, Medi is right..fat doesnt transform into muscles, it can transform into energy if you use more energy than you consume (fat burning).

*Pete*

01-24-2009, 07:52 AM

Hva er SATS? Jeg skrånende finner det i Wikipedia! :hey:

SATS = a scandinavian training institution/centre...you can train aerobics, weight training, condition etc etc in the centres.

since Medi lives in Oslo, if i remember it correctly from a Norwegian 3D site, SATS is a good choice with its dozen+ centres in the city.

*Pete*

01-24-2009, 07:58 AM

Surely not! But muscles need to burn fat, and grow from the process! You cant grow muscle without feeding can you?

as i wrote a moment ago.

Fat is a bad, bad source of energy, not only does it make you lazy after consuming it, it will also eliminate any positive effect that protein from the same meal would have given you...

im not one of those who eat a strict diet, but i do avoid fats (unless fish fat).

the best energy comes from carbohydrates...a hamburger has three parts, the meat (protein), the sauce (fat) and the bread and salat (carbs).
remove the sauce and you get all what your body needs.

DiedonD

01-24-2009, 08:02 AM

Well thanks for clearing that out!

Yes it appears to be so.

Perhaps a proteinporter idea would do then. Again, fat people have mass, they just wanna be thinner! So are more prepared to loose some, while thin people are prepared to gain some. They need to burn their fat, not gain muscle tissue, so could get rid of their protein by it.

Oedo 808

01-24-2009, 10:43 AM

@*Pete*

Avoiding excess fat is good, but do you think there is a danger of becoming too lean?

*Pete*

01-24-2009, 10:56 AM

They need to burn their fat, not gain muscle tissue.

muscles burn fat..even when you are sleeping.

the worst way to loose weight/fat is to stop eating and start doing energy intensive aerobic excercises...it may sound smart but it actually does the opposite.

basically it is teaching the body to use less energy, this is why so many who went through a diet and lost X amount of kg's suddenly explode and get fatter than before once they quit the diet.

the best way to loose weight is to train muscles, the more muscles you have the more fat they burn...as you noticed, muscles need nutrition, fat is stored nutrition.

Avoiding excess fat is good, but do you think there is a danger of becoming too lean?

true..but do not mistake fat with fat ;)

any food you eat, be it carbs, fats or protein is turned into energy (glucose?) by the body, energy not used will be stored as fat...so the fat you eat is not automatically stored as fat, you can become fat even by eating potatoes if you do not use the energy.

becoming too lean is not healthy and it is not advisable.

Oedo 808

01-24-2009, 01:05 PM

true..but do not mistake fat with fat ;)

any food you eat, be it carbs, fats or protein is turned into energy (glucose?) by the body, energy not used will be stored as fat...so the fat you eat is not automatically stored as fat, you can become fat even by eating potatoes if you do not use the energy.

becoming too lean is not healthy and it is not advisable.

Yeah, I wasn't saying much, because I don't know much and was hoping you'd do the talking. But it's unlikely you're going to always have just the right amount of carbs, if you have to burn protein as your main energy source then that's bad news as far as I can tell. You need some body fat or even if you're He-Man, lifting that cup of tea will be a challenge.

I only brought it up because I thought there was a bit too much 'OMG! FAT IS BAD!" going on. Because I doubted that everyone who reads this would interpret what was said correctly.

~edit: Hmm, that last bit sounds a bit patronizing, what I meant was weight can be a delicate issue for some, and these threads are read by more than just those who post in them.

JBT27

01-24-2009, 03:53 PM

All this nutrition information is hurting my brain....I need a snack.

Julian.

meshpig

01-25-2009, 12:10 AM

we are having 0 C right now, its snowing nonstop....

but when it gets to -20 C or worse, like the -40 C as we get where i was born in North Finland...you would not complain about heat ever in your life.

so..you are complaining about heat?...yeah, poor poor you.:D

Yes, well I'm not really. On the other hand +45 presents as many dangers... severe sunburn, dehydration, heat stroke. Although I guess when you get -40 it doesn't revert back to nice 23 in the evening.

At least if you die of hypothermia you pass out pretty quickly whereas dying of dehydration is slow and prolonged, you go mad before you die in absolute agony because your internal organs have ceased to function

m:).

meshpig

01-25-2009, 02:29 AM

Fat can be transformed into carbs by your body, but the process is energy consuming and is the reason for the tired, lazy feeling after you eat a meal with a lot of fat.

Isn't that also the Insulin response? Why traditionally you eat dessert... or as lactating mothers end the breast feeding session with an injection of super condensed milk which makes the infant pull away and feel lazy and sleepy?

You sort of also have an inbuilt max and min weight which seems to naturally fluctuate, like I have gone from max to min in a matter of months with some heavy duty physical exertion and a lean diet but you put it all back on pretty quickly... but at other times you just find yourself at your median weight for no particular reason.

I'm always a bit wary of weight training because as an adolescent I did it intensively for a few months and nearly turned myself into a Gorilla. I don't seem to lose muscle tone with just normal amounts of exercise which suits me.

As for fat, low GI ( Glycaemic Index) is the way to go. It's not a "diet" as such ( though it is for diabetics) but a sensible way to conceive your food intake never mind the weather.

Lentils for example yield their energy a lot slower than Potatoes and anyone who thinks Lentils are just for doctrinaire vegetarians has sorely missed the point.

m:)

meshpig

01-25-2009, 02:54 AM

All this nutrition information is hurting my brain....I need a snack.

Julian.

Sugar hit!

m:ohmy:

*Pete*

01-25-2009, 11:18 PM

Oedo808:

well...the high protein-low fat diet is ideal for someone who plans to build muscles, but i do not personally follow it blindly either..it is not necessary unless one is looking for optimal results.
im at somewhere around 30-35% protein intake during a day, all meals included...people who are dedicated bodybuilders are at the double.

too much for me...

as for fat/overweight people who happen to read this thread, i would like to mention one thing to anyone who feels to be in a shape that can be consired overweight.

DO NOT EAT LESS!!

im serious.....when you go to your average shop, look at commercials at tv or even hear advises from most people, the general idea seems to be that eating less is the solution, but the reality is that eating less is what causes the problem.

why?

becouse our bodies adapt to what we push them through...our bodies improve all the time.

when i go to the gym and push weights that are on the very limit of my strenght, what i am doing is breaking down my muscles..im damaging my body.
thats right...im hurting myself.
and my body, adaptible as it is, is trying to repair the damages i cause to my muscles by building me stronger muscles so that it can substain such damage in the future.

similiarly a martial arts fighter is beating and kicking hard items to damage the bones of his body..in time the body will have repaired the damaged bones into so thick and strong a mass of bones that the fighter has the ability to break objects that normally would break his bones.

a diver (no oxygen) trains his body into low oxygen consuming system..a lower heartrate, more energy efficient brain and muscles, less oxygen consuming body..this allows him to stay underwater at long periods of time where the rest of us would drown.

a person who is overweight has at some point in time, in his past done exactly the same as those examples above...he stopped eating the amounts of food that his body was used to.
the result being that he has created an energy saving body..he shocks his body with lack of food, and the body thinking its dying will preserve energy, not use it.
the body will also collect massive amounts of energy and store it as fat as soon as the low-cal diet is over.

the end results is a human balloon...ready for long term survival on low amounts of food.

our body is amazing...it takes proper knowledge to drive it where we want to..and tv commercials do not provide that knowledge....
it pisses me off to see the marketing of low fat, low cal products aimed at a desperate group of people, specially when those solutions are only short term good and long term bad.

Meshpig:

yes, true...intresting that traditionally our food has always been very carefully set up to counteract negatives as lazyness that some foods can give.
it never seizes to impress me...we come with new ideas, new rules and so on and in the end we only hurt ourselfs with them...old school works well for nutrition.
however...if you can avoid excess fats, its only good.

also, you lucky one...im one of those who grow slowly, im very, very strong for my weight, but i do not grow in size or weight almost at all...genetics does a lot, nutrition is just a part of the whole picture.
in my family, we have lots of athletes...some have been at olympic level too, but none of us been heavy on muscles or fat, we have only been proportionally very strong and with very high endurance levels.

and yeah...anything past 40, or even 30 C..plus or minus, sucks. :thumbsdow

JonW

01-26-2009, 12:58 AM

When I was a kid in 1975 my parents took us to England to see relatives. We went on a open top London bus, it apparently was the worst fog there was for years, you could not see the end of you outstretched arm.

....... on the lower deck you could see the length of the red bus...... Just!

DiedonD

01-26-2009, 01:35 AM

Well Ive been gymin for 13 years now, with some breaks every now and then, but I can say 5 or 8 years had no pauses whatsoever.

I bodybuild for myself. No strict rules at nothing. If I were to follow a programme by now, I wouldve been the kind that cant scratch their back from muscle probably.

Nah I only do it for fun, and I always had friends telling me, protein this, carb and fat that, glucose this, certain type of acid that I dont remember its name that, oxydites etc, etc.

Basically I eat whatever there is on the table ready prepaared for me, and have excercizes that reach up to 100kg of lifting, and at my good days I run for up 10km.

Thats it.

And am not ashamed of my belly! You need some reserve source of energy! You cant be spontanously strict on diet, and have JUST the right amoung of anything! Gotta store some if you want to evade from BODYSHACKING HUNGER STRIKES!!! Nah store some, cause you may not always be near some food store!

I think at the pace described above one shouldnt care about cholesterol or fat! Thus comes my low knowledge at diet LOL

Noh on the other topic

-40 on on end and +45 on the other! Some heatporting would be wonderful in the newcoming book or movie. The guy is freezing and approaches these ports that intikes cold winds and and 'fans' hot winds, cause its tied to Australia from Norway for instance. And vice versa for Aussies too.

And some kinda nutritional porting aswell. That fat people would rather be done with, and skin people yearn for it! Dont know if its fat, protein, carbs, glucose, amino acids (yes thats the name :) ) , kreatinine or vitamins.

D

DiedonD

01-26-2009, 02:15 AM

I promised you that I will take pictures of the terrain here the moment that snow falls. But its so hot for a winter here! It almost looks as if it wont be falling snow anymore! Of course weve all been duped by this so much, that the elderly warn us not to expect that winter has went all the way to bloody April or beggining May even! Due to those unexpected snow strikes.

But I went through the mountainous regions that I wanted to show you when it was snowy yesterday, and had these pictures:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/9436/dsc00308ym9.th.jpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00308ym9.jpg)

Back on our independence day, when I was planning to invite you all for a grand whole country feast, I was planning one day, geared with brand new cameras, to go for texture hunting. They are so good for such goals :thumbsup:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8075/dsc00310fk5.th.jpg (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00310fk5.jpg)

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6426/dsc00312ui2.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00312ui2.jpg)

On this one, is a bit more visible that below there on the left is the river just like on every other picture. So the fog comes from there and the mountains to make the ultimate 'fade your own arm' fog:

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6268/dsc00313mo6.th.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00313mo6.jpg)

pauland

01-26-2009, 02:15 AM

I don't think that there's a definitive answer why we say 'raining cats and dogs' but one theory is that it comes from a time when dead, stray animals would get washed along the gutters in the street when it poured with rain...looking like they had fallen with the rain.

I've just been sent an email about life in the 1500s. No idea if this is true:

"Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof.
When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals
would slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying . It's raining
cats and dogs."

meshpig

01-26-2009, 02:32 AM

- old school works well for nutrition.

- also, you lucky one...im one of those who grow slowly, im very, very strong for my weight, but i do not grow in size or weight almost at all...\

- and yeah...anything past 40, or even 30 C..plus or minus, sucks. :thumbsdow

- Yep, in 1980 it was possible to say that more was understood about animal nutrition than human ( mostly in the horse racing industry). It's a little better now.

- Yes, but along with retaining muscle tone no matter what, comes heavy bones. I like walking because of but oddly enough at one point in my youth I was right into high jumping and pole vaulting. I don't know how I did it now, but at one point just could float over the bar a foot over my height and vault about 4m? I like dancing too. You're lucky in that respect too if you can actually make something of athletics.

... I don't apologize for my paunch.

Neither do I, it comes and goes but life would be somewhat different if not absent, here on earth if it were not for the tilt of the earth which creates the sSeasons. Diversity is the stuff of life.

m

DiedonD

01-26-2009, 02:58 AM

Neither do I, it comes and goes but life would be somewhat different if not absent, here on earth if it were not for the tilt of the earth which creates the sSeasons. Diversity is the stuff of life.

m

Youre replyiing from apparent my quote saying:

... I don't apologize for my paunch.

I didnt said that! This is the second time people make quotations on my name! Why is that I dont get it! Are you summorizing it all up or something?

I dont want to be quoted saying something that I didnt say! Its not even my style, and I dont even know what the above quotation on my behalf even means for Petes sake!!!

Im beeing quoted into a word that I dont even know the meaning of! Why does that happen?

meshpig

01-26-2009, 04:37 AM

Youre replyiing from apparent my quote saying:

I didnt said that! This is the second time people make quotations on my name! Why is that I dont get it! Are you summorizing it all up or something?

I dont want to be quoted saying something that I didnt say! Its not even my style, and I dont even know what the above quotation on my behalf even means for Petes sake!!!

Im beeing quoted into a word that I dont even know the meaning of! Why does that happen?

Sorry DiedonD, it's just a matter of quoting the 2nd or 3rd hand manually.

ie. typing "[Quote= whoever;4756447[/Quote]" links to the relevant post without actually quoting it.

Bear in mind this is just a discussion...

Which part? You always seem to take my agreement with what you're saying to the contrary?

m:)

DiedonD

01-26-2009, 06:15 AM

Sorry DiedonD, it's just a matter of quoting the 2nd or 3rd hand manually.

ie. typing "" links to the relevant post without actually quoting it.

Bear in mind this is just a discussion...

Which part? You always seem to take my agreement with what you're saying to the contrary?

m:)

I know its a discussion, and its just because of that that Id like my quotations to match what Ive said! We all have our persona and our colors that show from quotations! And quoting me with other sayings links me to that persona and color who I am not!

Pounching! I dont even know what that means for instance you know! How could have I said it!

I take your agreement with what you say to the contrary? To the contrary of what?

Medi8or

01-26-2009, 06:38 AM

Paunch is a large stomach, a belly, so his quote wasn't as wrong as you may think..

DiedonD

01-26-2009, 06:48 AM

I dont want to make a big deal really! Is just that id like to be more correct, and be presented from others in a correct way!

Pounch, sounds like punch! And I dont use that word! Simple, unless were kidding around, and impersanating others in making overall fun, misquotations seem harmful to me! Simple put 'You are entitled to your opinion!' . And I cant be entitled to a form of an opinion described in forms that were previosly unknown to me!

Am I making a big fuss out of this?! Theres a button on the lower right specifically for the sole purpose of correct quotation!

Please dont take it personally meshpig. Weve been chatting along, am still the same guy. Zapper was the first that misquoted me, and you just happened to be the second one thats all.

Wouldnt anyone feel a bit strange to be quoted differently using your name? Especially if for example

Originally quoted from meshpig

The issue sounds a bit lavatriqe when you come to think of it!

And this is public! Everyone is opened to interpret that however one wants to! If it isnt bad beeing mistinterpreted from your own quotes, how bad could it be mistinterpreted from misquotes?!

Its an issue for me to spread the message across! Id like to be correct in that matter, in both the content and process of my quotations!

meshpig

01-27-2009, 05:18 AM

DiedonD

01-27-2009, 05:30 AM

OK, I get your point. I thought I'd already apologized?

- Also you don't need to qualify an adjective (in this case "contrary") with another noun beyond the one it's already describing for a sentence to make sense; the phrase "to the contrary" pertains to the noun "agreement".

It's also a statement belonging to the domain of parliamentary debate in as much as well known.

The word "Parliament" itself derives from Old French meaning "speaking".

Hence...

m:)

Thats pretty high level of english for me. No worries mate. I trust your goals were of no harm oriented. Your cool. I was making a point to all, cause I didnt wanted it repeated again. It was becoming a strange phenomana for me.

But speaking of impersanations, I was thinking the other day. Perhaps we can open up a thread after all this BS about clues an everything, that will ultimately leave to a tease, after all that hype, maybe we can open up an impersanating thread :)

It may be tricky, and only the fun people oughta enter. Cause, in one form or another, each of us would be impersanating each other in one way or another :)

Its just for fun. How does the idea sound?

Anyone?

meshpig

01-27-2009, 06:56 AM

Thats pretty high level of english for me. No worries mate. I trust your goals were of no harm oriented.

Of course not:).

- On the contrary, your English is pretty damned good.

m

DiedonD

01-27-2009, 07:29 AM

Of course not:).

- On the contrary, your English is pretty damned good.

m

Well blame the Transformers for that LOL

biliousfrog

01-27-2009, 01:36 PM

I've just been sent an email about life in the 1500s. No idea if this is true:

"Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof.
When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals
would slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying . It's raining
cats and dogs."

That would only work if the animals decided to sit ON the roof during a rain storm...I've never known an animal to willingly do that. Perhaps they were stupid in the 1500's :question:

pauland

01-27-2009, 01:55 PM

Extract from http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/raining%20cats%20and%20dogs.html

The much more probable source of 'raining cats and dogs' is the prosaic fact that, in the filthy streets of 17th/18th century England, heavy rain would occasionally carry along dead animals and other debris. The animals didn't fall from the sky, but the sight of dead cats and dogs floating by in storms could well have caused the coining of this colourful phrase. Jonathan Swift described such an event in his satirical poem 'A Description of a City Shower', first published in the 1710 collection of the Tatler magazine. The poem was a denunciation of contemporary London society and its meaning has been much debated. While the poem is metaphorical and doesn't describe a specific flood, it seems that, in describing water-borne animal corpses, Swift was referring to an occurrence that his readers would have been well familiar with:

Now in contiguous Drops the Flood comes down,
Threat'ning with Deluge this devoted Town.
...
Now from all Parts the swelling Kennels flow,
And bear their Trophies with them as they go:
Filth of all Hues and Odours seem to tell
What Street they sail'd from, by their Sight and Smell.
They, as each Torrent drives, with rapid Force,
From Smithfield or St. Pulchre's shape their Course,
And in huge Confluent join'd at Snow-Hill Ridge,
Fall from the Conduit, prone to Holbourn-Bridge.
Sweeping from Butchers Stalls, Dung, Guts, and Blood,
Drown'd Puppies, stinking Sprats, all drench'd in Mud,
Dead Cats and Turnip-Tops come tumbling down the Flood.

We do know that the phrase was in use in a modified form in 1653, when Richard Brome's comedy The City Wit or The Woman Wears the Breeches referred to stormy weather with the line:

"It shall raine... Dogs and Polecats".

Polecats aren't cats as such but the jump between them in linguistic rather than veterinary terms isn't large and it seems clear that Broome's version was essentially the same phrase. The first appearance of the currently used version is in Jonathan Swift’s A Complete Collection of Polite and Ingenious Conversation in 1738:

"I know Sir John will go, though he was sure it would rain cats and dogs".

The fact that Swift had alluded to the streets flowing with dead cats and dogs some years earlier and now used 'rain cats and dogs' explicitly is good evidence that poor sanitation was the source of the phrase as we now use it.