Mouth Study

[Wiz]

hey!
this is my first post here..
i am new to LW, and i am very pleased :)
i have found that alot of my models lacks in the mout region
so i thought id Focus on this.. so here is a model i began tonight.. i'd love critics on the whole thing ,mainly anatomy and topology..

and have a question the little bulges under the lips? i am not sure they are correct as i didnt use a specfic refence?

anyways here it is!
thanks

http://img.tapuz.co.il/forums/18819160.jpg

http://img.tapuz.co.il/forums/18820242.jpg

[Wiz]

here is an update!

http://img.tapuz.co.il/forums/18870430.jpg

not very happy with the eyes..

[riki]

It looks good, maybe the nostrils are a bit large.

The main problem that I can see is the flow of the mesh around the mouth. You need to think about the underlying muscle and bone structure and how it will deform when animated.

[hrgiger]

It's always good to have good reference.

I agree with Riki that the nostrils do look a bit large. I would think you just need to softent the transition from nostril to inner nose.

Also to add to what Riki said, there is a ring of muscle surrounding the mouth called the obicularis oris that you should account for when modeling to ease endomorph creation and general mouth shaping. Also, if you study the creases of a face as the mouth moves, you should also account for the underlying structure so that you can apply creases on either side of the mouth that start from either side of the bridge of the nose. Take a look at the wireframe on Ripper's model here:

http://vbulletin.newtek.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8599

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[Wiz]

yea are right guys..
i allways have correct loop for eyes, but i get a bit confused
with the mouth loops.. i think its because of my work flow.. anyways ill try to modifiy it to the correct edge loops..

about refernce i have mine.. i just took it out of the back drop as it doesnt really resmeble as its just a proption reference and for detailed refernce i look in multiple images.

and ill fix the nostrilis even tho some people have big nostrilis =)

thanks guys..
i am going to greece for 10 days.. so no updates till then!
big thanks..

btw do you have some tutorial for modeling with extender ? cause with my workflow i finding it very hard to accomplish meshs like ripper's.. so if theres any (doesn't really matter program.. except jaun of arc.. which i know.. but i find some of the work flow lacking )

thanks!

[iluvatar]

modelling a head with extender... if i'm right, dan ablan's "inside lightwave 7" book uses the extender for a head model... and if not, it's a good book anyway! :p LOL i would say: get that book somewhere!

ps: it looks better than any head i ever modelled :p

[Wiz]

here is an update =)(

http://img.tapuz.co.il/forums/19398591.jpg

[smileyn]

Sorry, your link failed.

looking forward to seeing the update though.

[Wiz]

i hope this update works :)

[Wiz]

Some ears..

do you think he will look good with a nice scientist suite ,googles ,some hears above the ears ( i mean bald with fuzzy hair in that area..) etc :)

http://img.tapuz.co.il/forums/19459891.jpg

[MasterTux]

its looking very good, there isn't alot i can say except wow! it looks really good and i can really see an old scientist, u just need to singe the old fuzzy hairs over his eyes to make it look like he had a little explosion

[pblacklock]

looks great but the only thing i see odd is from the height from his eyebrow to the top of his head is a bit too much. should be around two inches or so, this way it makes him look like an alien unless that's what you are going for.


anyway fantastic work!


later,
Paul

[Wiz]

MasterTux: thanks alot man ,if allrdy on the subject ,any ideas how to do that? :) i am pretty new to lw, i heard some thing about sasquatch? or saslite? anyways thanks alot.

pblacklock : exactly! man thanks..
i just fixed the eye brows ,sure takes alot off the -cartoonish look-wasnt really sure what caused it,anyways that was a meain reason, thanks..

anyways tommrow ill hope to finish the head and some forehead detail and then i can go on !

[smileyn]

Looking good!

Can't wait to see it textured!

[Wiz]

here is the crits fixed.. larger ears ,shorter forehead ,fixed the brows ( i think) some minor things in the nose.. etc
i think i can begin the body now? :)

http://img.tapuz.co.il/forums/19471062.jpg

thanks for the great crits.

[facial deluxe]

Excellent ! Would love to see wires :)

[Wiz]

here is a render..
i think i am done? i noticed some erors under the cheek.. ill fix it now.. other then that anything else?

http://img.tapuz.co.il/forums/19477437.jpg

[pblacklock]

i would add two ro three horizontal ridges on the forehead, just above the eyes, smack in the middle of the forehead. then it's off to texturing this guy.

BTW He looks absolutely FANTASTIC!

wire mesh.. please


Later,
Paul

[Wiz]

thanks amigo..
your right deff needs some more forehead wrinkles..

-ohh the wire is scary.. lol :) next update ill show it..
not yet to texture.. i wanna model the full thing :)

Thanks alot ! you guys really help !:)

btw : i made the ear a lot older now.. so it looks more fitting.

[Wiz]

i did some major chahange in his face structre.. also in the ears etc.. and i also took of the marks in his lips.. is it better? i am not sure.. i felt they were too much i dont know if it's better now or before.. you be the judge ,i have a save so it doesnt matter too much :)

http://img.tapuz.co.il/forums/19509999.jpg

http://img.tapuz.co.il/forums/19510432.jpg

[pblacklock]

missing the horizontal wrinkles in the middle of his forehead.


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i've attached this image to show you.


hope you understand what i mean.

later,
Paul

[Wiz]

hey man ,yes i know.. i just havent got to it.. i never manage to make thoese look good not sure why =\ so i left it to the last thing.. :) i will do it ,no doubt.

[facial deluxe]

Originally posted by Wiz
hey man ,yes i know.. i just havent got to it.. i never manage to make thoese look good not sure why =\ so i left it to the last thing.. :) i will do it ,no doubt.

Defenetly use Fi's Wrinkles ! Works like a charm, do a search on Flay.com :)

[Wiz]

Hey i just got back to this little guy! :)

http://www.members.lycos.co.uk/ilart/Gramps_Perspective.jpg

[cybernaut]

Very nice modeling!!!!!!!

You made some nice changes; eyes still might be a little far apart though :)