The application BEHIND Modo from Luxology.

[Dick Ma]

Rumour:

Somebody told me, Modo is just an application like our LWmodeler. But there is a great application from Luxology that handles animation, lighting and rendering.

It supposed to work like LW's workflow....

[Dick Ma]

Did you remember about the Apple G5 promotion video? Luxology has a short showing it's application. I doubt that it is Not MODO.

So we will work with MODO & N???? if we purchase Luxology package.

What is N???? I promised to keep the secret.

[Zithen]

"N" as in connection or link?

How cool is "N"? Have you seen it?

[Dick Ma]

N is the first letter out from the 5 letters of the application name.

[sailor]

"n"endo ? :D

[CB_3D]

i remember an apple promo where the mac guy spoke about how flawlessly Luxologies animation package runs on the new mac.

Also, if you look closely, the modo interface on one of the macs has "animation item" in one of the lists.

http://www.luxology.net/event/2003/siggraph/img/modo_iBook.jpg

[Zithen]

Originally posted by Dick Ma
N is the first letter out from the 5 letters of the application name.


Hmmm, maybe I should look in the Thesaurus and find some other words that mean connection or link....

[DeadMan]

What I've heard: Modo will be a modeler that will eventually get modules for animation and dynamics.

[sailor]

I think i found the word what about:

NUTUS

????

did i win?

[sailor]

no no wait....now i really know i got it all this Latin hype ....
arghhh

[milkman]

Where'd you hear that, Deadman?

[sailor]

ok ok now i think i really found it...a much better sounding latin word starting with N


NEXUS

yea thassit no?

NEXUS ?

[sailor]

Nexus means =putting together,fastening something like that

[lwlurker]

5 letters, begins with "N", creates an eternal sense of euphoric joy, "Generations" ahead of every other 3D app out there, designed for those who go where no one has gone before ;)

-OOPS!

[cresshead]

newtek????

speculation huh?

based on a whisper from a good rumour in a overheard telephone conversation being filmed with a telephoto lens and a rifle mike being monitored via a military satelite closely watched by the alien race from the far side of the sun.


steve g:rolleyes:

[Dick Ma]

Originally posted by milkman
Where'd you hear that, Deadman?

From a discussion of "famous" LWer thru ICQ.

He is one of the winners of the EXPOSE magazine.

Now on, Someone get the correct answer.


Or we can just wait and see, prove that am I telling the truth or a lie.

[sailor]

ok ok i'm excited already....

i feel this is not only rumors....


Modo means "alone" like "stand alone"

Nexus= fastening, putting together this could be the main core


maybe there is a rendering module...


mmmm

[sailor]

ok i know i win i know it....if i'm right Dick just put a thumb up in here...

[sailor]

NEXUS i'm sure of that....believe the sailor man he sails in many different seas....

[Dick Ma]

Oh, it is latin... I am Asian but it is quite logical described by Sailor.

But after the discussion, I got full of confusion that about the guy I talk with.

He is one of my Idols and he is a GREAT LWER but he is not looking forward to LW8? Why? I think he is not really concerned about what's new on LW8.

I told him about the streaming broadcast of LW8 so he just got a not so deep impressions about LW8.

Something is attracted him. At least Luxology gives him a new image and interface. (I think Newtek and Luxology products are too similar.)

LW8 can be say it is facing great, keen competition.

[Dick Ma]

Sailor, your reward...

[sailor]

I WIN !!!!!!!


Number one !!!!

[takkun]

Originally posted by cresshead
newtek????

speculation huh?

based on a whisper from a good rumour in a overheard telephone conversation being filmed with a telephoto lens and a rifle mike being monitored via a military satelite closely watched by the alien race from the far side of the sun.


steve g:rolleyes: LOL! Good one!

[sailor]

hey takkun....wonder what...

the Dick Ma post about someone on the ICQ LW channel remind me of somethin i heard about this "famous Lwaver" and then the name NEXUS popped up to me....

big chances this is serious ****...i made the connection while looking for n words in Latin....

dont understimate this thing ;)

[milkman]

So this thread has thoroughly confused me.

Who is "Dick Ma" ? What is N(exus) and how does he know about it?

Finally... is Lux JUST releasing Modo or are they going to release both this... Nexus and Modo at the same time?

[panini]

Just Rumours.

If my source is correct 8.5 will be released only 3 months after LW8 and will basically contain everything Modo has and then some. That's probably why nobody wants to talk about it right now.

Modo was apparently started while guys were still at NT and a lot of that code is left behind in LW8. You work for NT , your work belongs to them. You know how it goes. Modo is basically a bastard retard child of LW8 modeler which will show up in 8.5

So if you want rumours, take that. I'm not saying any of this is true, but my source is as reliable as sailor's or Dick Ma's.
So take it for what it's worth. Could be total nonsense, could be true. If you want to waste your time with speculations like these, go ahead.

[milkman]

panini, forgive me but... did you just say no one wants to talk about Modo right now?

Are you kidding? If no one wants to talk about it then why are there 300+ posts on the Luxology thread or 230+ posts on the Modo thread over on the LW forums at CGTalk.

And your thread. If no one wants to talk about it why did YOU start your own thread about it?

And who exactly is your "source" ?

[panini]

No, I meant that's why nobody wants to talk about Lightwave modeler improvements right now. All in due time.

It's Modo which will have to fight an uphill battle, not LW modeler, because if this rumour is correct Modo is just a watered down LW 8.5 modeler.

My source is as reliable as all the others, which could mean , not at all or right on. So there you go.

[froggie]

So it will be as customizable and as pretty as modo, interface wise? will it be like modo you could built tool with a tool pipe and so on? what can NT could add on top of modo to make it look watered down?

bring the speculations.

Time will tell, but, LW 8.0 is due to be out 04, then LW 8.5 will be out 3 or 4 months later to see those changes would put us in June. almost, i said almost, a year ahead heh.

[jb_gfx]

Milkman & Froggie don't lose your time Panini is trolling again. Newtek should lock this forums for peoples under 14 year old, that would avoid young trolls like Panini to comes here to slpit the fun...

[colkai]

Err Guys
This ain't the Luxology forum.
Why don't we talk about the how cool the new Maya and XSI are whilst we're at it?
<shrugs>

[sailor]

Sailor again,

yes yes i know i have no proof ....


this time i'm not kidding i just know that what Dick Ma is sayin i already heard about it and at that time (2 months or so ago) i didnt belive it ...but now that i remember that the person who said that never said it was a joke and he is a very well known Lightwaver....and yes he asked to keep it secret but looking for N words in a Latin dictionnary it remembered it

NEXUS

that is the only thing i know anyways...he never said what exactly it was about....unless Nexus and Modo are the same thing but i dont think so....

[Dick Ma]

Originally posted by milkman
So this thread has thoroughly confused me.

Who is "Dick Ma" ? What is N(exus) and how does he know about it?

Finally... is Lux JUST releasing Modo or are they going to release both this... Nexus and Modo at the same time?

Dick Ma is the bad guy which lives in the dark side of your mind.

hahahahaha.

[Beamtracer]

Originally posted by colkai
Err Guys
This ain't the Luxology forum.
Why don't we talk about the how cool the new Maya and XSI are whilst we're at it?
<shrugs>
Since the Newtek forum began, every now and then someone has started a thread that says some other 3D application is really fantastic.

I don't really think it is bad for Newtek. If you look back on those threads, the regular Lightwavers usually set them straight again, and list reasons why Lightwave is better.

You see it again with this thread. Someone mentions Luxology. Everyone chimes in with comments like "it's just a watered down Lightwave 8".

Most of the people on this thread have never used either LW8 or this new Modo thing (as it hasn't been released yet), therefore you have to take any opinions "with a grain of salt". I think most people read it in that context.

If all you had to go on was this thread, then you'd be left with the feeling that LW8 will be a much more complete and feature filled product than Modo.

Sure, anything Luxology does raises speculation and interest. However, I think they'll have to do something a bit more substantial to attract people from other apps.

[sailor]

Hey Beamtracer,

neither Dick Ma nor me started a thread saying that Lux is better...he started a thread about something more than Modo and that is it...

personally when i write about Modo i dont say it is a revolution i just say what i "saw" on the screens and it was repeated by Takkun that was tehre during the demo that there seemed to be some core changes...and this cores changes are what lots of old time users were expecting....

But of course it is not enough and we have to try it to really see what all this fuzz is about ...it is notbecause there is a core change that it make automatically a great app :)

As a conclusion i personally prefer a rewrite solution rather than some stuff added on top of a now VERY old architecture...

also notice that there a lots of LWfans that uses it since a few time and that cannot understand why we are so pissed off by the fact that we are still waiting for some core changes for a looooong time now...

[xtrm3d]

http://vbulletin.newtek.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=58409

lol..
vin diesel ist a lightwave user ?? !!! :D
hehehehe

[sailor]

Salut Chris ca va?

tain c'est pas des conneries l'histoire Nexus ;)

see ya


PS

je devrais bosser plus je ne fais rien que de me marrer sur ce forum :p

[Dick Ma]

Firstly I would like to say I have no any relationship with Luxology. I am just the bad guy who spreads rumour only. :D What ever it is a good news or a bad news for Newtek, I just start a new guessing game for all of you for fun.

May be Sailor and me are friends before and making response to this thread is just making this rumour more real. (Sailor, you look good in your pic!) Or may be sailor is a truly smart guy.

So, Don't believe it. (Believe it or not? Or I am spreading another rumour again.....)

Actually, as I said it before, I think Lightwave and Luxology products are something similar in functions. May be it is just like Softimage 3D and XSI. But now Lightwave and Luxology becoming competitors. it is not similar that like the softimage(s) from the same AVID.

As a long time of computer user (not only using 3D softwares), When a software was well-developed in too many versions, Some innovative technologies are hardly break out from the old core. May be it is a traditional problems. And also, they have to make it compatible with the old plugins. (I think Lightwave is facing this problem)

Modo at least gives me a new look on the interfaces. It is similar to my default LW 7.5 interface color schemes. (somebody called me nuts on my "denver-roco") I like it very much.

Spending three nights watching Newtek live in siggraph....Lightwave 8 is just plugin imports from the third parties. But I am looking forward to that also, at least those plugins are really attractive for me and in the same package.

[sailor]

Hallo Dick


thanks :)

well the "Nexus affair" is maybe just another rumor and if it is so i apologize....but actually dont know Dick ma and the fact is that I did heard about this Nexus thing i swear...and it wasnt coming from guy with a reputation of spreading rumors belive me ;)

of course now i'm sitting totally scared waiting for the guys on the black helicopters to come....

no no seriously there are serious rumors about that...but still only rumors time will tell...

[Dick Ma]

Sailor,

you needn't be so serious and make apologize here. We are bringing some "entertainment" to all of you. For those people believe this rumour, stay. Or leave it.

I believe in the freedom of speech.

[Gui Lo]

Lai ho Dick Ma,

I too am bleary eyed from watching the Siggraph stream but I got the feeling that LW8 is a substancial change. They seem to have concentrated on eliminating or reducing the need to open pallettes/windows and have began to use the right mouse button in a big way.

This all seems similiar to what happened with 2d programs years ago. The user was always in pallettes of menus and away from the subject. Now they allow functions to be used without having to acces menus, pallettes or windows.

Also NewTek have said that they are talking about character rigging and dynamics simply because those were the major concerns of the professional users. They also keep saying that there is more to announce after Siggraph is over.

I think NewTek know that they need ALL Lightwave users to upgrade to LW8 to fend off Luxology. To do this LW8 needs to be real special and touch on most aspects of the requested features lists.

Gui Lo

[Emmanuel]

"Lightwave 8 is just plugin imports from the third parties."

Very cold, very, very cold :)
The plugins can be considered "Lite" compared to whats beeing integral feature of LW8 :), and we just witnessed only the tip of the Iceberg.
The things to come will not only allow for impossible tricks when animating, but also keep people happy for a long time.
The borders are vanishing, the frontiers are beeing pushed further away.
Not only for modelers and animators :D

[Dick Ma]

I only know "competitions brings profits to customers".

I think starting this thread is a "Red Alert" to Newtek, for stop losing market by other competitors by keep updating and innovating Lightwave.

Well I am still stick to Lightwave for my production of my demo reel.

[Nemoid]

If what I think is right,
Lux 3D technology will comprehend 2 or more modules, (Nexus and Modo etc.) that will be able to blend each other as a part of a totally integrated 3D app, and at the same time, wich will be able to stay separated and be buyed separately to work with other packages if you want.

probably prices too will be aligned with that of the market, for example, look at the price of MB.. very competitive, the only exception in the field being XSI
( pay attentio here prices of this app could go down...)

Lux technology surely will be innovative in features, but more important will reunite all the Lw curret potential and much more in an unique integrated app. this fact only creates an astonishing and open technology and a marvellous 3D app for sure.

Obviously Newtek will not stay and see all this. they are working for us, so that Lw too will evolve on its own way, and the two app surely will become competitors as well as Maya , XSI , Max.

who will be the winner? no one. there only will be great features and improvements in 3D technology from every app in the market, so that a user will be able to choose what he wants with more and more freedom.

as a user I am vry happy of this !

considering the fact that in movie productions, they utilize all apps for their different characteristics as well as other preopietary apps, there is no problem at all.

Lw will surely evolve, so who wants to use it, use it and don't worry. some time will pass, but you will always be able to make good 3d with Lw and be hired for companies.

with the born of Lux technology, and the evolution of Lw, the market will be more "aligned". production companies will use them both, so stick with what you want and like. if u like Maya use it Modo & Nexus ? sure and why not Lightwave, or XSI? soon they will be all at the same level for sure.

Provocative statement : Modo + Nexus + other eventual modules = Mecca ? :D

[milkman]

I wish I new what "take this with a grain of salt" means... I've heard it now in this SIGGRAPH week more than ever. :confused:

[TerryFord]

Originally posted by milkman
I wish I new what "take this with a grain of salt" means...

It's a corruption of the expression "take with a pinch of salt";
http://users.tinyonline.co.uk/gswithenbank/sayingst.htm

:)

Regards,
Terry