Old Cyberman head

[adrian]

In between learning Zbrush and loads of video work, I wanted to keep my modelling skills in shape so I decided to model the head of a cyberman. The plan is to put him in a scene with his head blown off, which is why I've only modelled the top bit.

This Cyberman is my favourite, I think from Peter Davison's time as the Doctor. Don't especially like the new ones much.

It's one complete sub-patch object, 4.9k polys apart from the tubes either side of the helmet, and a few minor details at the bottom.

Still some minor modelling work to be done but it's texture work from now on unless you guys spot any major flaws. The final texturing will be a real grungy beat up look with some green goo coming out of the mouth (I seem to remember this particular Cyberman spewing green goo when it got shot).

Lighting & texturing now are... lame. Just good enough to show off the model.

Comments/feedback always welcome :thumbsup:

[bobakabob]

Nice work... economically modelled and good to see some earlier designs.

[pauland]

Nice work, though some of the details are a little off: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0sQyaoeHsuw&NR=1

Looking forward to seeing the next iteration.

Paul

[adrian]

Oh well, that's what you get from using a replica model as reference!

[pauland]

I'm no cyberman expert (though yours are the 'new' cybermen - no bandages), so maybe there are other variants. Nice work, all the same.

Paul

[meshpig]

unless you guys spot any major flaws.


Looks great, love it... Not a flaw but the original dudes had little chinks in their eyes.

61243

Vacuum cleaner hoses... and they died when sprayed with Gold dust. Do you also remember the cybernats?

m:thumbsup:

[starbase1]

Very nice - I think he needs a bit more chin under the jaw though?

[adrian]

I see what you mean, the chin is a bit flat right now. I'll see if I can flesh it out.

I vaguely remember Cybernats - I won't be modelling one of them in a rush though :)

I don't really like any other incarnation of the Cyberman apart from the one I'm doing although they always used to be my favourite Dr Who baddie - way better than the Daleks. Not now though, the Daleks have overtaken them probably because we've seen the "real" daleks inside - and as for the mad, laughing Dalek he's numero uno! Or maybe the new Davros...

[starbase1]

Better than the Daleks. Not now though, the Daleks have overtaken them probably because we've seen the "real" daleks inside - and as for the mad, laughing Dalek he's numero uno! Or maybe the new Davros...

I just wish they stop using Daleks in their tens of thousands... They are so much more frightening when done right with a very few. The episode a few series back with the ONE dalek, as kept by a collector was massively more effective, (and they even made you feel sorry for it!)

[Qexit]

Looks great, love it... Not a flaw but the original dudes had little chinks in their eyes.Not quite, you're thinking of the later versions who fought Pat Troughton and Tom Baker when they were playing the Doctor. The very first ones, in the final William Hartnell story 'Tenth Planet', just had black or silver edged round holes in soft cloth masks for their eyes. The single tear drop idea came later :thumbsup:


Vacuum cleaner hoses... and they died when sprayed with Gold dust. Do you also remember the cybernats?I think you mean cybermats. Nasty little creatures could inflict rather nasty bites with unpleasant side effects. There were several varieties of them too :D

To Adrian, nice work so far. One thought for final surfacing is that in at least one of the Peter Davison stories, the 'lower jaw' on the cyberman was transparent so you could see the bottom half of an organic mouth inside. A reminder that the cybermen were not all robotic but cyborgs. Something that gets forgotten sometimes. Have a look at Earthshock if you have it on DVD. I really liked this story because it killed Adric, the only Sci-fi character who has threatened to remove Wesley Crusher from his place as most disliked abnoxious brat in a TV Sci-fi series :D

[adrian]

One thought for final surfacing is that in at least one of the Peter Davison stories, the 'lower jaw' on the cyberman was transparent so you could see the bottom half of an organic mouth inside.

Oh yeah I forgot that. Should be easy enough to do.. I'll model a chin to put inside.

As for Adric I remember being really shocked when he died because I thought there's no way they can kill a goodie! I don't remember him being obnoxious though but I was very young so maybe I didn't pick up on it so much....

[starbase1]

Oh yeah I forgot that. Should be easy enough to do.. I'll model a chin to put inside.

As for Adric I remember being really shocked when he died because I thought there's no way they can kill a goodie! I don't remember him being obnoxious though but I was very young so maybe I didn't pick up on it so much....

You know, I think that is one of the thingsthat makes Dr Who genuinely frightening, unlike almost all US TV SF? In things like the many treks, you just know that innocent people who are given almost any character development never die, but are always saved by the good guys. (Exception, they will sometimes give their lives in a worthy cause!). In 'Who' he does not reliably manage to save everyone, in some cases even close relatives of major characters die at the hands of baddies.

[Sentinel45]

That's a really good model, though I think you should seperate the chin from the head. If I recall correctly, the Cybermen by the Peter Davison era were able to open and close their mouths to a point. (Don't quote me on this, though, it's been a while since I've seen some of them... I could be mixing this up with the Cybermen of the Sylvester McCoy era.) Either way, though, I like what you did.

[meshpig]

Not quite, you're thinking of the later versions who fought Pat Troughton and Tom Baker when they were playing the Doctor. The very first ones, in the final William Hartnell story 'Tenth Planet', just had black or silver edged round holes in soft cloth masks for their eyes. The single tear drop idea came later :thumbsup:


I think you mean cybermats. Nasty little creatures could inflict rather nasty bites with unpleasant side effects. There were several varieties of them too :D



Yep, you're right they were cybermats. Yes, I recall the "tenth planet".

I don't mean the first Doctor but you're also forgetting John Pertwee in between Pat and Tom.

-Apart from the fact that you hardly ever saw much of the cybermen in those days the chinks in the eyes to me were for the ranking officers only, who none the less only ever spoke to acknowledge rank.

Cyber 1 : "I am the commander",

Cyber 2 : " I acknowledge".

Terrifying but you had to also laugh your way out of it.

m

[Qexit]

I don't mean the first Doctor but you're also forgetting John Pertwee in between Pat and Tom. I wasn't forgetting Jon Pertwee, it's just that he never came up against the Cybermen during his original stint as the Doctor. He only ever had a brief tangle with them in the much later Five Doctors storyline.

-Apart from the fact that you hardly ever saw much of the cybermen in those days the chinks in the eyes to me were for the ranking officers only, who none the less only ever spoke to acknowledge rank. Hm, not too sure what you mean by that as the Cybermen were always in clear view. The little tear drop in the eye in the early versions was for a purely practical reason to with the way they were modeled/moulded. Typical BBC budget restrictions being given a practical use :D

That's a really good model, though I think you should seperate the chin from the head. If I recall correctly, the Cybermen by the Peter Davison era were able to open and close their mouths to a point.I think that was a side effect of the transparent lower mouth I mentioned before. You could see heavily made-up mouth/lower jaw of the actor through it which of course moved when he spoke his lines. The wobbly moving jaw bit, if I remember correctly, was strictly for the Cyber Commander and only appeared in Tomb of the Cybermen (the actor involved told about how he tried to negotiate extra pay for having a speaking part as he had to operate the mouth even though he didn't speak the lines in an interview on the DVD).

I'm going to have to view a few of these old stories on DVD again now :thumbsup:

[meshpig]

Qexit

Thanks, I really can't remember all the details. The episode " the wheel in space" comes to mind from 38 years ago

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/photonovels/wheelinspace/

... ah, OK I see now, that was Pat.

-Also one of the first things I saw on colour TV.

m

[Qexit]

-Also one of the first things I saw on colour TV.
I assume you're talking about the Pertwee years there ? Prior to him taking over, Doctor Who had been recorded and transmitted in good old-fashioned monochrome :D

[adrian]

Ok here's an update on the texturing. Am I on the right tracks?

There are some render errors due to me using Interpolated and for some reason PLG wouldn't unwrap the top pipes (that go over the top of the mask) so at the moment the texture is applied using cubic mapping which is rubbish as you can see.

Also attached is the specularity map for the face area - does this look okay or do I need it darker/lighter? Not having done this kind of texturing before I'm learning as I'm going along. Although it's coming along it's not quite the look I'm after - I want really shiny parts where the metal is in good order and really dull parts.

Thanks :thumbsup:

[Garyrw]

Ah the Cybermen! Adrian, so far what you have looks great! I still have to get back into my retro-dalek idea. The cyberman is a good next point after that...well maybe I should do a spaceship for the dalek to fly around in first...LOL

Great work! I look forward to seeing more!