Premiere PRO

[lsddigital]

Anybody know (or have) Premiere PRO (http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/main.html) ?

Can I use Premiere with VT?
Do I need a Plugin or something else to work with Premiere and VT?

Thanks!

[SBowie]

Although it might be likened by some to putting a Chevy engine into a Porsche, I'll just say that you *can* use Premiere - if you have Bob Tasa's plug-ins for that purpose - Toaster Garage Site (http://www.toastergarage.com)

You cannot, however, to the best of anyone's knowledge, use Premiere Pro.

[robewil]

Actually, you should be able to use Premiere Pro with VT[3] via the avi wrapper.

[SBowie]

Well, naturally one could load files; but I don't think that's what being asked (unless I misunderstood the original post?) I had assumed the inquiry was whether or not Premiere Pro could use the VT card. not whether it could be loaded and run on a VT system. Maybe I was wrong :-p

[lsddigital]

I just want to see my editing works in premiere in out line (by VT)! :eek:
.. may be I can do it in VT[3] :D

[Eirkey1]

Once you have used VT3 you will never want ot go back to Premiere:cool:

[johnq]

Well, unfortunately the VT3 DV batch capture does not work correctly with any of my Panasonic equipment (DV2000 or AGEZ30), but Premiere works perfectly. So I won't be throwing out Premiere any time soon and will probably upgrade to Pro.

John

[Lightwolf]

I think on the VTNT Forum over here http://www.videotoasternt.com/forums/ Bob Tasa mentioned that the new Premiere Pro architecture is completely different, so it won't work with his plugins (then again, Bob contributed to PremierePro, so it can't be that bad).
Actually, if PremierePro is what it is hyped up to be, then VT[3] plugins would be a great idea.
Reasons?
Timeline integration of AFX projects
Timeline integration of Photoshop files in Layers
MPEG Encoding and basic Authoring from within the timeline (like setting chapters...)
Integration with Encore
and, my main gripe with VT[3]: PremierePro not only allows for audio plugins, but it even has sub-frame audio editing (YES !!!).

I'm actually thinking of selling our VT[2], and going for a PremierePro / http://www.decklink.com/ Combo.

[johnq]

There has been discussion of the Black Magic DeckLink on the Creative Cow forums, but I still thought there was no useful version for the PC as yet. Has Black Magic made this commitment to port it to Premiere Pro?

John

[Lightwolf]

Nope, not yet (we're also still quite happy with our discreet edit system, except for the occasional quirk).
I do assume that they'll support PremierePro though, it seems to be the only PC app for them to make sense (Well, except for SpeedRazor, but SR hasn't moved a bit out of its niche in the past years).
Cheers,
Mike

[Pete Draves]

Capture and batch capture has come into the new world
Razor 5.5 is working well with the toaster.

A lot of things are forthcoming in the very near future
Check it out.

Good verticle editing for much higher end use than adobe
and it works.

Not everything should be realtime. Boris red works wonders in razor with the toaster


Pete

[videoguy]

sorry boys but i think you are all DEAD wrong. i think you should sit down with a premiere system and a t3 and perfomr the exact same edit . t3 it blow it away in speed, ease of use and quailty i bet the t3 would save hours of work and renereding it does for me!!! i tossed our avid xpress system and i now use it to dj with

[Pete Draves]

We do verticle edit
yes I have tried t3
It will not perform the kind of edits I do
That's why I use razor

Pete

[Lightwolf]

Videoguy:
I haven't used either PremierePro (emphasis on Pro, I'm not talking about anything before that), nor VT[3] (and only VT[2] to some extent since it didn't really cover my needs).
I just don't think VT[3] will either, here's why:
No digital audio i/o
No audio i/o beyond 2 channels (we do 4 channel mixes for foreign language versions).
No audio editing that can be called editing.

Pete, yeah for vertical edits Razor really rocks. We do loads of horizontal stuff (no pun intended), with a load of compositing across the network. I hardly ever render in edit either, but we only tend to work with simple dissolves. Audio sweetening is more import to me than tons of DVEs.

I really do admire VT[3] form a software technology point of view, from a production point of view it is too little for me though.

Cheers,
Mike

[Pete Draves]

The Toaster is an amazing board. It works with TeD and Razor.
I do use both but do not like the audio with toaster.
The audio is ok if you by-pass the bob.

The video quality is the best uncompressed in the universe!
Yes I am an ex Digisuite and Targa 3000 user.

There is a neat thing about the toaster; When using razor a thire party audio board can be used with the toaster and some of the ones available have more than 2 chanels out. Setting one of these boards to the system board does not affec the toaster edit in any way but the toaster will ALLWAYS use toaster audio.

Razor can have its' own audio out.

I sometimes make an edit in toaster and then import to razor for finish
I will bounce back and forth often

With T3 and the avi wraper this could be a distinct advantage!

It is a shame they tore down the "house of three colors".

I worked for Siemens and lived in Erlangen for 5 years
Pete

[Lightwolf]

Hi Pete,
Originally posted by Pete Draves
It is a shame they tore down the "house of three colors".

lol! It took me a while until I knew what you meant. Talk about changing topic mid-post :)
I dunno, I've never actually seen it from the inside :D

I worked for Siemens and lived in Erlangen for 5 years
Well, in this case special greetings from Stuttgart!
Cheers,
Mike

[MediaSig]

...you guys might want to look at this....

http://www.promax.com/PDF/PMCSHEET.pdf

I just found out there is support for both MAC and PC and they have a list of software they are working on supporting including Premiere Pro.


Wow...buy Premiere Pro (with it's timeline editor, audio capabilities, AND advanced color correction), hook this up as a breakout box and WHAM...balanced audio i/o, component, and uncompressed - all through the Firewire. I hope Newtek is paying attention to this.

Greg

[videoguy]

its true i have never used premiere pro but i have used 5.xx 6.xxx and i find the program to be absolute crap as with most adobe software. true it has audio editing but t3 is going to have it very soon. and the core technology for pros audio technology came from cool edit pro which they bought out. adobe has absolutely no imagination when it comes to coding they produce crap becasue their users will buy crap because it say adobe on the box.

[Lightwolf]

videoguy:
Well, since Bob Tasa played a part in the PremierePro development, and it has nothing to do with the predecessor versions (a complete re-write after all, is a complete re-write), I wouldn't be that quick on my judgement.

[videoguy]

i would like to see a demo of it

[Lightwolf]

I'm sure they'll release a demo once they ship PremierePro.
Cheers,
Mike

[ScorpioProd]

No, it is not released yet, but I have seen a demo of it live at DV Expo in NYC, and I do consider it a quite impressive package.

You can't judge it based on previous versions, it is that different.

I don't care if technology is absorbed by a company or created by a company, it's not like Newtek creates 100% of their own stuff either.

The sample level audio editing is a powerful feature. As is all the support for audio plug-ins, both VST and DirectX. Throw in 5.1 surround mixing, plug-in AC-3 encoder availability, etc.

On the video side the three-way color correction is very powerful, the integrated markers to chapter points is a great time saver, though their DVD app looks a bit "young" to me.

And it does natively do 2-pass VBR, which should look really good.

IF someone is looking for just a DV firewire based system, it's a good software-only choice. IF someone is looking beyond that, there are uncompressed boards available for it, too.

[Bobt]

Premiere Pro is a radical departure from the old Premiere.
Its got the feel of an integrated tool set which
is quite cool. The tool set is After Effects, Premiere,
DVD editing with Encore and their new Audio editor.
So you can edit in any area as intense as you want.

They are much more integrated. Audio editing down
to the audio sample from the timeline. DVD, MPEG2
or WM9 from the timeline. There is more. The new color
correction etc.
Multiple timelines you can paste together.
You have lots of keyboard shortcuts. You can make your
own as well. It also supports exports of AAF so you can interface
with audio editors etc.
Lots of cool stuff.
Bob

[tmon]

AAF? Advanced Authoring Format? Premiere Pro? No Way!
Really? Wow.

(for your reference):

http://vbulletin.newtek.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3156

[Lightwolf]

AAF yes! I forgot that one. I whish NT would support it as well, that way I could feed the quantel iQ upstairs that our partner company owns :)

[lsddigital]

did you made that plug-in???? (infinitemap)

[Jay Kelley]

I have seen Premiere Pro and it is fantastic. While I think TED is ok, it is not specific enough for the kind of work we do (Feature lenght production editing) Our biggest concern is color correction and sound. I refuse to even talk about Speed Razor I hate it so much.

Had it not been for Bob T. I never would have purchased a VT [2]. It was the support in premiere that helped me make the purchase. Now VT [3] is coming out and I will have to figure out how to make this all work with Adobe Premiere Pro. At this time I am just considering capturing an uncompressed AVI file and editing with that.

I also find it troubleing that a lof of Newtek Dealers are very down on Premiere and up on Speed Razor. I can understand the older versions of Premiere, but they also seem to have a negative attitude towards Premiere Pro even with the positive buzz it is receiving. I tend to wonder if this is more a money-oriented issue than a performance-oriented one. It is no secret that Adobe is not friendly to the independant dealer. To be blunt, as a customer, I could care less. I want what I want. Give it to me or I will go somewhere that will. (Hurts to say it that way, but all of us who run businesses have heard it before. Those that have ignored it have gone out of business)

As a consumer, I expect successful companys to provide me with as many choices as possible. That's how they keep my loyality and my business. Adobe's new video package is the result of millions of dollars of work and I have no doubt once the bugs are out it will be a very serious editing package. I for one am thrilled they purchased Cool Edit. Someone on here actually slammed them for doing so, I believe they called it a lack of imagination. I find that humorous, it is that very imagination that probably fueled the purchase in the first place.

Companys that make capture cards are lining up to support Premiere Pro. Why? Because they know that a large number of their customers use this software. Rather than force them to choose what THEY want them to use, they know the way to keep things running smoothly is to allow the customer to use what they are most confortable with. Once again, we don't give a mouse's rump what experts tell us we should use, we want what we want.

I expect that Newtek will support Premiere Pro, if for no other reason then for their own survival.. In the days of Premiere 5.x or 6.x the software was not written to compliment VT[2] very well. (Even though Bob's plug-in was wonderful and we editing a 3 hour picture on it with NO trouble). Now with Premiere Pro, the two are a much better match.

I must say my trust in Newtek has waviered slightly since buying VT[2].. As a Lightwave user, I worshipped them. Buying the hat and shirt and telling people that Lightwave was good, but Newtek was GREAT!

As a VT[2] user I am not as excited. I purchased an SDI card that only half works and it is very limited. And the only software support offered for an editing package is Speed Razor, a package I have purchased and regret each and every day. I am suspisious that Newtek and Speed Razor have some sort of agreement that keeps them from supporting Premiere Pro. I sure hope I am wrong about this.

I have writtent about this in other places only to recieve silence as a reply. I am a VT customer now, but I am not sure for how much longer.

My needs are not being met, and I do not see anyone listening.

Newtek: Please support Premiere Pro to the best of your ability.

Jay A. Kelley
Dream Welder Productions