Upgrade [3] & BetaForce

[lsddigital]

Hello

I buy VT[2] in April 2003... (VT[2] + upgrade free [3], and LW [7.5].. in one special deal to latin-america)

but, I can´t find LW[7.5] in any CD... just LW express!

I wrote to newtek support service, and they said that LW[7.5] will be send with VT[3].. all when VT[3] will be available... why? I don´t know.. so LW[7.5] is available now!

I know you can have VT[3] Betaforce if you buy a upgrade right now... but, If I buy VT[2] with VT[3] upgrade free (and LW[7.5]), Can I have access to VT[3] Betaforce?????


When VT[3] upgrade will be available?

My VT[3] upgrade will come with a manual (in paper!)?

Thanks you!


:D I am waiting for VT[3] Upgrade

[Aegis]

Your free copy of LW 7.5 comes on the VT[3] install disks - you still only get LightWave Express with VT[2] (and I'm not sure whether you get 7.5 with the beta software or only with the full release of VT[3]).

According to the forums at www.videotoasternt.com the finished VT[3] software is due for release soon (they're just finalizing the manuals). Users that bought a new VT[2] are entitled to download the VT[3] software (i.e. no CDs, hardcopy manuals or packaging).

If you're an NTSC VT user (which I guess you are in Latin America) then you should be entitled to join the betaforce program (although I guess it's pretty much finished now...) check with the dealer you bought your Video Toaster from or failing that phone NewTek customer support (more direct than emailing them).

[Chris S. (Fez)]

Wow. Very soon. Possibly the 16th. Thanks for the link Andrew.

[Aegis]

A little bird told me that there's not going to be a PAL betaforce - the finished PAL version of VT[3] should be available mid-august(ish)...

:D

[stuart_tetley]

Maybe a silly question, but will the initial (NTSC) release of VT3 include all the PAL/standards conversion abilities of VT2?

[Paul Lara]

Yes.

[RuiFeliciano]

Now can someone from Newtek please explain why this kind of information is being acknowledged by Newtek dealers and users through users with previleged (sp?) access to information and NOT from Newtek directly? Why is my local dealer still expecting news from Newtek Europe concerning the participation in the VT[3] PAL betaforce that was suposed to be happenning if one was to believe what is posted on Newtek's web site?
Lastly, can you (Newtek) please stop posting that there's no NTSC/PAL differences in VT and since can't-remember-when there's only one dual Vt bla, bla. That may be true for the hardware side of things but hardware alone takes us nowhere and I believe it's pretty obvious by now that there's definitively a difference between NTSC and PAL development and that PAL users always stay for last. Of course being a PAL user I don't apreciate this situation but much more than that I don't apreciate being told otherwise by you when it's self evident by your actions that the opposed is true.
To promisse less and deliver more makes you look better than otherwise.

PS - This is assuming the info posted about a month-later release for the PAL version being true which I do assume since Paul did not dispute it.

[jhellein]

Spoke to East Coast sales yesterday and was told the Hurricane Claudette was delaying things a bit for NewTek in San Antonio -- maybe the release will be Monday, 21 July?

[jcupp]

What's different in the PAL software vs. NTSC besides the transistions? On my (NTSC) machine I go into preferences and tell it to output PAL and it does. AFAIK the Transitions are the only difference. Are the manuals and discs produced in Europe for the PAL version? Are they translated into something besides English? This might account for the different release dates, NewTek Europe does seem to be a tad inefficiant. :)

Just curious


Originally posted by RuiFeliciano
Now can someone from Newtek please explain why this kind of information is being acknowledged by Newtek dealers and users through users with previleged (sp?) access to information and NOT from Newtek directly? Why is my local dealer still expecting news from Newtek Europe concerning the participation in the VT[3] PAL betaforce that was suposed to be happenning if one was to believe what is posted on Newtek's web site?
Lastly, can you (Newtek) please stop posting that there's no NTSC/PAL differences in VT and since can't-remember-when there's only one dual Vt bla, bla. That may be true for the hardware side of things but hardware alone takes us nowhere and I believe it's pretty obvious by now that there's definitively a difference between NTSC and PAL development and that PAL users always stay for last. Of course being a PAL user I don't apreciate this situation but much more than that I don't apreciate being told otherwise by you when it's self evident by your actions that the opposed is true.
To promisse less and deliver more makes you look better than otherwise.

PS - This is assuming the info posted about a month-later release for the PAL version being true which I do assume since Paul did not dispute it.

[Eirkey1]

If I understand it correctly the delay is due to the fact that manuals have to be translated into other languages besides English for the European Market.

So those of us who speak english have to wait;)
Very egalitarian.

[RuiFeliciano]

Doesn't make sense...why not start making money on what's already available? Nothing Newtek produces is translated on my native language so I should be able to buy it on any language that's already available.
Maybe the delay (if in fact there's going to be one which one is to believe if one takes into account past releases) is due to CDR duplication, don't know about US but around here VT[2] was distributed on CDRs so maybe that's the reason.

[Eirkey1]

Its true that the PAL CD layout is different in that the Transitions are a different size. Other that that I don't know of any other technical differences.

Which ever way we just have to wait Rui:(

[Eirkey1]

One Video is showing the Upgrade as listed at

Newtek - Video Toaster 3 Pre Release Software Upgrade
£405.00 +VAT (£415.00 RRP)
£475.88 inc VAT
Part Number: VT3UPGRADE

How much was the upgrade in Dollars?

Still no reply from Newtek Europe.

[Jeffers]

Yes Eirkey1 - Europe gets a bum deal again!

Upgrade in US is $595 which should be approx £390. We Pay £475

Along with:
SX8 US price $1995 which is £1316. We Pay £1744 GBP
SDI Card US price $999 which is £659. We pay £1000 GBP
Genlock Card US price $549 which is £362. We pay £816 GBP

Still, can't wait to get VT3. It's just some things really niggle me!

[Eirkey1]

Thats not quite like for like Jeff.

Don't forget that the US prices will have Sales Tax which varies from State to State.

One videos Prices are fairly close to the Dollar exchange rate as a general rule.

The biggest difference then is VAT and for that we can thank the Govt. and be grateful we dont live in Ireland where Vat is 21%

[Eirkey1]

For Example the Pre VAT price is £405

£15 of which could be accounted for by shipping, handling and currency fluctuations

[mbloor]

Guys I am a VT3 beta tester and I can assure that Newtek have worked hard on the PAL attributes of VT3 especially DV in fact it has caused Andrew (Cross) to develop a few gray hairs! but as usual the good Dr and team have delivered.
It works and it works beautifully.
One rider to this is a bug in XP with service pack 1 if you interrupt the firewire source during capture you may get a blue screen of death. Microsoft know about this bug but as yet there is no released fix.
Regarding the DVE`s pal ones have to be rendered in native pal resolution viz 720x576 so if you try to use NTSC ones they will be short by some 110 odd lines.
Faraz Ahmeds site will be hosting some PAL dves just as soon as people start sending them
Any way you will be using your DVE`s that came with T2!!
:D
Mark

[Jeffers]

Eirkey 1,

My post was a touch misleading. You are of course correct! However most 'states' sales tax are only 4 to 6% as I am aware.

I was not moaning at Newtek or OneVideo, but simply that we always seem to get a bum deal here in the UK!

Mark, thanks for the update. Hope you are well?
How on earth did you get on the VT3 betaforce?

[mbloor]

Hi Jeff
I sort of got embroiled in it from VT2 beta testing.
It can sometimes feel a bit lonely especially as I can only think of half a dozen PAL users.
Actually this would be a good time for me to thank Newtek for the privilege of being part of "something special" and to all my fellow beta testers whom I have never met but feel like friends, and yes I would like to carry it really is one of the best unpaid jobs in the world!!!
Believe you me Newtek really do listen and impliment ideas and suggestions. I can think of several at the moment but one that springs to mind is something as simple as the arrangement of deck control on batch yes we had a discussion on where the buttons should be!! and Newtek made changes.
VT3 is a joy, batch capture,CG improvements the ability to use TMPGenc to encode MPEG2 files straight from VT edit (no more rendering the time line to a file then encoding that!!). The splines are great too being able to adjust the dynamics of a move and again its intuitive I still dont have documentation!! So if a dummy like me can find my way around without them think what you will be able to do when you have them.
T3 is a real treat as soon as you can go see what it can do!!
Mark