Anyone else having problems with Titles?

[Kangaroo20]

SpeedEdit keeps crashing when I use SpeedEdit's default title template. I am running SpeedEdit v1.5.1 with all codecs installed on a reasonably fast system. Has anyone else had problems like this? Any suggestions?

SpeedEdit doesn't give me an error message. Just the old windowsXP "SpeedEdit has encountered a problem and needs to close."

It hasn't crashed the same way every time. Sometimes it'll be fine until I re-open the project and as soon as the scrub line gets to the title clip it crashes. Or sometimes I'll just change the font of the title while the clip is being displayed in the video out-put and bam, crashes.

What is the deal!? Very frustrating.

Thanks,

Nate

[KiloWatkins]

You need to post your system specs, OS ect... to take on this one.

GoodLuck.... If you can get to the title, is it a templete or drag n save file?

[CreatvGnius]

SpeedEdit keeps crashing when I use SpeedEdit's default title template. I am running SpeedEdit v1.5.1 with all codecs installed on a reasonably fast system. Has anyone else had problems like this? Any suggestions?

Nate

Hi, Nate. What do you mean by "reasonably fast"? Got some system specs for us? It might help to let us know what you're working with (or have you spoken to Tech Support already? If so, do let us know what the fix was)...
-PeterG

[bercky]

plain and simple. You don't know when or how but when using title pages (or scrolls and crawls) then SE will crash with no consistent pattern.

Just thank goodness for the undo/redo stacks!

[CreatvGnius]

plain and simple. You don't know when or how but when using title pages (or scrolls and crawls) then SE will crash with no consistent pattern.

Just thank goodness for the undo/redo stacks!

Is this on a desktop system? What are the specs of your Processor (What type?), and Graphics Card type (is it PCIeXpress Type)? How much Graphics Memory (is it discrete graphics RAM, or is it shared with system memory?

Are you editing standard def only -- or are you in HD territory?
-PeterG

[lcress]

Yep, I have had problems with titles not stacking the layers properly and not displaying correctly. (I was also having problems with expanding sub-projects which caused the system to crash)

Fixed it all with a driver update for the graphics card. SE is finicky when it comes to graphics calls.

My specs:
Dell Precision M70
NVIDI Quadra FX Go1400
Pentium M 2.26 GHz
XP Pro SP 2
2 GB Ram
500 GB External Seagate USB 2.0

[paulrus]

Same here. I'm working on a project. Copy and paste titles = crash. Sometimes just touching the titles in the timeline = crash. I would say in the past 1.5 hours I've crashed SE about 15 times, minimum. Every single crash happened when dealing with titles.

Here's the crash I keep getting: AppName: speededit.exe AppVer: 0.0.0.0 ModName: cg3kernel.spd
ModVer: 1.0.0.1 Offset: 000d5982

My system is:

Dell XPS 710
GeForce 7900 (2 of them in SLi mode)
QX6700 quad core extreme @ 3.2ghz (I think)
XP Pro SP2
4 GB Ram
500 GB drive dedicated to video only.

[Gordon]

Same here. I'm working on a project. Copy and paste titles = crash. Sometimes just touching the titles in the timeline = crash.
Yes, I have found that this is true. I tracked the problem down to hidden formatting character from the Word document, (actually any other document including Open Office and Media Shout) When copying and pasting text from such a document these hidden formatting commands are not filtered out by the NewTek CG and cause it to become extremely unstable so that just trying to edit the text in the CG will cause a crash.

The solution would be for NewTek to disable using windows clipboard or better yet, to strip all undesirable formatting codes when pasting text from the windows clipboard.

The workaround is to paste the content of the clipboard into "Notepad" first, then copy the text from Notepad into the clipboard again. This removes the hidden formatting commands and can now be safely pasted into the CG.

However, it can be a bit too time consuming to first paste it into notepad and then into the CG and then format it all again. I finally broke down and wrote a program that would take a complete MS Word document, strip all the formatting characters out, format the text for the CG and create a new file ready to import into CG without problems. I tested this with a number of MS Word documents and it works for one particular old version of version of Word. Problem is that to be really useful, it would have to handle the latest versions of Word, Open Office, etc. and I just don't think it would be worth the effort for me to do this at this point.

[paulrus]

That's good, except I'm not copying and pasting from other applications. I'm creating a title page. Copying it on the timeline and then pasting it somewhere else in the timeline. Almost every time it crashes.

[Gordon]

I can't seem to duplicate your problem. Would you care to post a CG page for me to try? (www.4shared.com or similar)

[paulrus]

I literally took the Titles.cg (I think that's what it's called) and typed a title. Added a shadow. That's it.

As someone mentioned above - it may be an issue with SE not working with a particular set of NVidia drivers. Right now I have an animation to finish - once that's done I'll see if there are new drivers to see if that'll fix it.

[Gordon]

I was thinking that it was a font issue. Sometimes a particular font (usually downloaded free type) doesn't seem to play nice with the CG.

[paulrus]

Didn't change the font from the stock one.....

[Gordon]

It could be the graphics drivers as suggested by Icress, however he had a Quadra FX card and yours are GeForce 7900.

OTOH, you have two GeForce cards in SLi mode. Perhaps this type of configuration was never checked by any of the software testers? I could see that being the reason for update crashes. So if the latest drivers don't fix the problem, trying going to one card, then two cards but not SLi.

[CreatvGnius]

The solution would be for NewTek to disable using windows clipboard or better yet, to strip all undesirable formatting codes when pasting text from the windows clipboard.

The workaround is to paste the content of the clipboard into "Notepad" first, then copy the text from Notepad into the clipboard again. This removes the hidden formatting commands and can now be safely pasted into the CG.

However, it can be a bit too time consuming to first paste it into notepad and then into the CG and then format it all again. I finally broke down and wrote a program that would take a complete MS Word document, strip all the formatting characters out, format the text for the CG and create a new file ready to import into CG without problems...

Interesting read, there, Gordon. You know, I'm sitting here wondering: "Does MS Word provide the capability of saving out directly -- to a text format that doesn't include those excess commands"?

'Twould be interesting to try saving out to various text formats from within Word, just to see if choosing a particular one (or two or three) over others would yield results that don't interfere with the machinations of SpeedEDIT CG.
-PeterG

[Kangaroo20]

Ok, sorry it has taken me a while to respond, have been busy. As of now I am just creating my titles in Photoshop, and so for no crashes from these titles in speededit. My system specs:

Dell Latitude notebook d630
Intel core 2 Duo T7500 2.2 Ghz
2.0 GB Ram
Using a NVIDIA Quadro 135M video card w/ 128 mb of ram
Running Windows XP

I was experiencing similar problems to Paulrus. Speededit would crash when interacting with titles created from the standard titles.cg templates with no imported text.

As for my drivers, according to windows they are up to date. Upon checking with dell there is an update from a 4/28/07 release to a 11/27/07 to fix some problem with DVD's and windows media player. Can an update this small change anything significant?

Paulrus, you have any luck with this?

[Gordon]

There was some problem using just a "saved as text" file. If I remember correctly, paragraphs come into the CG as one long line. If you first paste the data into Notepad, you can manually add CR at the right places and then bring that file into the CG. The key was that you would have to use Notepad anyhow, so if it is just select paragraphs then it was at least a couple steps less to just highlight and paste into an open notepad, reformat, highlight and paste into CG.

For long documents, you could save as text, open the text document in Notepad, reformat, save and then import that into CG. OTOH, they didn't want a scrolling document, just screenfulls (separate CG pages) at a time. I made more sense to work on a page at a time, save project, do another page, save project, etc.

[mbdavison]

Hello;
From the sound of it, (I currently run two systems, one using VT-3 & the other using VT-4.6) its just a speed- edit version of the ongoing problems with the CG being, well, Inadequate for the Job. I just use Photoshop for now, and save out Graduated PNG steps with alpha channel behind them. Gets my stuff done 5 times faster than trying to wrestle with Newtek CG. Sigh. Someday I imagine they will be able to fix that... Also has anyone tried saving out Word files as RTF (Rich text Format) for importing into SE? I actually almost NEVER save any of my writing as a "Doc." or Word proprietary format -because have Always had problems with either hidden formatting issues OR even an older version of "Doc." not opening in a newer version of Word! Whereas with RTF format- I used to save my PC writing in word as an "RTF" and I found I could even open those in my Amiga word processor or on a Mac! So, I Banished MS WORDS "Doc." from ANY of my text work and exclusively use RTF. (Under the 'Save as" pull down file requestor)
Cheers, M.

[Gordon]

From the sound of it, (I currently run two systems, one using VT-3 & the other using VT-4.6) its just a speed- edit version of the ongoing problems with the CG being, well, Inadequate for the Job. Actually, it seems it was a graphics card driver issue.
I just use Photoshop for now, and save out Graduated PNG steps with alpha channel behind them. Gets my stuff done 5 times faster than trying to wrestle with Newtek CG. I think that it is also an issue of what you are proficient at. I can see you saving a bunch of time by using Photoshop for still pages because you know it better than the CG in SpeedEdit.

A Comparison
Just to balance the view a bit, here are my experiences for the day. I worked this morning doing the morning show at Shaw Cable TV in Edmonton. I was supposed to use Inscriber CG for all the title pages. However, after the IT installed the new Inscriber update - the CG didn't work at all! I had only one graphic for the entire three hours, (ie: no sponsor ads :hey: ). It was after I talked to IT that they mentioned that they didn't know I used the "live" feature and thought that I only used the "create titles" page. With the "live" (or "on-line") you can use the numeric keypad to jump to pages and that is what I was used to. But when working in "create titles" you have to hunt for the page and double click it and press the "Prg" button in order for the page to go out to program. It makes you wonder who Inscriber used for testing! It seems like a pretty major bug to not be able to run the program "live" or "on-line". BTW, the IT guy said he tried Inscriber in a number of different computers and they were all the same! (So it wasn't just my machine.)

Oh well, it will make it easier to convince Shaw to go with a TriCaster, which is my goal anyhow :devil: :D

[CreatvGnius]

There was some problem using just a "saved as text" file. If I remember correctly, paragraphs come into the CG as one long line. If you first paste the data into Notepad, you can manually add CR at the right places and then bring that file into the CG...." [emphasis mine, peterg]

Hi, Gordon! Would you kindly let us know where to add "CR" in the notepad document -- and for what purpose?

Humored to think that it might be an acronym for "carriage return" :D
-PeterG

[Gordon]

Hi, Gordon! Would you kindly let us know where to add "CR" in the notepad document -- and for what purpose?
Humored to think that it might be an acronym for "carriage return" :D
-PeterGNope, it doesn't mean
"carriage return"
it means
"carriage returns"
(plural) :)