SpeedEdit 1.2 - arrived. Still requires non-VT sound card.

[joevideo]

I have just downloaded and installed SpeedEdit version 1.2 on my desktop computer (which also runs my VT 4.6 software) and once again it is Dead on Arrival.

When I originally installed SpeedEdit 1.0 a few weeks ago the Error Message "Please go to Control Panel and choose a default audio playback device other than the Video Toaster Card" was the first thing I encountered. I do NOT have any other sound card on this system. Needless to say I have NOT been able to run SpeedEdit

I thought version 1.2 was suppose to correct this problem and enable SpeedEdit to work in conjunction with the Toaster card - it has not - My first experience again with 1.2 was the same error message above.

Come on Newtek - you can do better!

[Fotolux]

Hi Joe:

Don't your machine have sound integrated on the mother board? If not buy a 10 bucks one, you don't need more to basic editing. I fact, if you have oa¿nother sound card, you set it as default audio device and the Toaster card will work togheter, no will need to chage that setting again.

[ted]

I have SE1.2 come through my VT card. I can ride levels on it.
I hardly see this as being on NewTek. I just loaded 100's of 1080i DVCPro files on one timeline and it's running beautifully.

[joevideo]

I do NOT have any other sound card on this system.

I thought I was clear - I do NOT have any other Sound card in any shape - form - or fashion on this computer.

I will not go out and buy a sound card - open my computer and install it or resort to some other hardware work around. It is a Newtek programming problem.

Newtek recognized this interference problem with the VT card and was supposed to have fixed it with this patch.

But thanks for getting back to me.

[SBowie]

Hmmm. Is the error popping up when you install the patch, or just the earlier version, before patching? (Could it be that this issue is gone for the full 1.2 installer, but remains for the patch?)

[joevideo]

Ted which VT card are you running?

I have the original - not the Pro card.

Thanks

[joevideo]

Earlier today tech support said "You do not have to uninstall version 1.0 before running the SpeedEdit 1.2 downloaded file"

So after downloading I ran the install - and ran into the problem. Of course by then Newtek tech support was closed for the evening.

Thanks

[John Perkins]

SpeedEDIT is meant to be a stand alone editor, VT is meant to rely on the VT card.

VT card support in SpeedEDIT is merely a plugin, it doesn't change the minimum system requirements in any way.

VT5 will have a special version of SpeedEDIT that can only use the VT card, so it doesn't require a separate sound card.

[Seti Orion]

While you are talking about VT5

Can we please get word on when we can expect VT5

[John Perkins]

I wish I could (and I'd rather not derail this thread) but I will say that it is feature complete. Now we just need to get the kinks out of it.

[Rich Deustachio]

Back to the original thread problem, I don't have a sound card on my dedicated VT4 machine either but I was able to point 1.0 SE to the onboard sound chip on the motherboard.

[joevideo]

John,

Thanks for getting back on the SpeedEdit 1.2 short comings.

I am disappointed Newtek overlooked this problem, and chose not to deal with it until the release of VT5.

I've waited a year for VT HD capability - I guess I'll have to continue waiting. I'm not in a position to purchase a laptop to install SpeedEdit on. And I don't think I should have to modify my desktop unit to run another piece of Newtek software.

Who would have thought that Newtek's own hardware would have prevented SpeedEdit from working on the same computer alongside 4.6?

[pnelson]

Joe,

I can understand your frusteration on the issue.. Although I work at NewTek, I'm also a customer! (Feel like Sy Sperling from the Hair Club for Men Ads) ;)

I have a VT[4] at the house and was using the VT card as my sound card just like you.. Since I want to edit my HDV stuff at home sooo bad.. I broke down and got a generic sound card for $14.00 at compusa and it's working great.. took about 5 min to install and all is well with the world.

HD goodness.

[Fotolux]

I thought I was clear - I do NOT have any other Sound card in any shape - form - or fashion on this computer.

I will not go out and buy a sound card - open my computer and install it or resort to some other hardware work around. It is a Newtek programming problem.

Newtek recognized this interference problem with the VT card and was supposed to have fixed it with this patch.

But thanks for getting back to me.

Dear Joe: I'll preffer to buy the cheapest sound card instead to be upset with this.

Anyway if you want to work with HDV, you will have to do a hardware upgrade. You will need a PCI-E machine to display HD video. HDV is a very hardware demanding format to display. Formerly I have a dual xeon 533 FSB with a big Nvidia AGP 8X graphics card, and it was not enough to display HDV properly.

So, be prepared to spend about 2K bucks in new irons (Not to mention a new HDV deck, add another 2K for the cheapest one).

It is not a programming problem, it is a technological problem, each update demands more powerful hardware. Is like Windows Vista, it requires a monster machine to run!

Welcome to the marvelous world of video production, the bottomless barrel!

[Paul Lara]

I'm not in a position to purchase a laptop to install SpeedEdit on. And I don't think I should have to modify my desktop unit to run another piece of Newtek software.

Joe,
Would you be willing to spring for a $17.00 solution that doesn't involve opening the case? The fastest solution here would be to purchase a USB audio driver (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812191020) that just plugs in to your computer. It doesn't even require drivers!

[Pete Draves]

did you know that vt4.6 on an old card will support audio playback from premiere pro 2 and 3.
A shame it does not work with Speed Edit!

Yes I have a mb sound card.

Really non standard programming.
Regards
Pete

[SBowie]

A shame it does not work with Speed Edit!Working fine here.

[Pete Draves]

It must be certain rev. cards that don't work. I see others also have the problems.

Pete

[SBowie]

Possibly, but I honestly think it's just a matter of getting it configured correctly in the first place, Pete ... which may, at the moment, require at least the temporary provision of an outboard audio ability (to get the installer to work.)

[pnelson]

Pete,

It should work fine with a Motherboard Sound card.

[Pete Draves]

The plugin finally started working.
It took about 6 starts of se to be seen.
It also did not show up in the selector on the 4.6 mixer.
Butt, (sic.) it works now.
Although.. why does it no support boris fx.
Needs hooks that don't change.
Really need the Tempgenc plugin!
Regards
Pete

[SBowie]

It also did not show up in the selector on the 4.6 mixer.Did you right-click on one of the patches in the audio mixer and attempt to add it, Pete?

[Mike Watkins]

The hardware requirements to run SpeedEDIT have not changed for version 1.2. Version 1.x requires a DirectSound hardware accelerated sound card. The VT card does DirectSound emulation and SpeedEDIT 1.x will not launch with the VT card as the active Windows OS playback device.

In addition to fixing bugs for this patch we also included a number of new features free of charge. One of these new features is the ability to preview audio and video out of the VT card while editing. So after launching SpeedEDIT you can use the default configuration of only previewing video on the output window and audio on the computer's sound card, or you can go to the "Output" menu and choose to additionally preview over IEEE1394 or via the VT card.

[SBowie]

That explanation clears things up, thanks Mike. I think we can take it then, that disabling the Win audio after installation is not an option - but turning it down, off, or disconnecting it to leave only the VT audio outputs active is possible (or vice versa.)

[Pete Draves]

Yes Steve, I did that.
It seems that the NewTek programs learn by a 2x4 between the codecs.
they seem to be slow learners. (like me and french, never found a use for all the extra letters)
Pete

[SBowie]

It's very weird it isn't working for you after the patch, Pete. Tried resetting the configs?

[Pete Draves]

I know young people like you have trouble reading sometimes, and, Myself being an OLD guy (64), also has the same problem.
I did post this thread #21 that it seems to be working now (used a 2x4).
But, thanks for giving sugestions.
(gees... no Danic?)
This is humor I think.

have a good weekend
Pete

[SBowie]

I know young people like you have trouble reading sometimes, and, Myself being an OLD guy (64)I'm gaining on you ...

[Pete Draves]

but I'm going to live to 120, and die from a jealous angry husband.

hehehe

Pete

[SBowie]

I hope it's not me :p

[Scott Bates]

but I'm going to live to 120, and die from a jealous angry husband.... or get run over by that big truck if you move a few feet to your left .... :eek:

Scott - just made 63 and trying to catch up with you - stick around Pete so I can't do it. :thumbsup:

[joevideo]

Update

I did what I said I would not do - I spent several hours checking on sound card availablity and pricing and driving back and forth across town to make the purchase.

When I went to install it in my computer the only motherboard slot where it would plugin (the case is pretty full) was the slot where my Firewire card was installed. So I replaced my Firewire card with the sound card.

Shazam! SpeedEdit came up and ran!

BUT, When I plugged my Firewire card into the other slot (where my sound card would not fit) my computer locked up. So now I have SpeedEdit running but I do not have my Firewire card available for input and output.

I remember something my dealer told me when my system was first assembled that the problem with the Firewire card locking up the system was probably an Interrupt Request conflict with my Toaster card, and the placement order of cards in the computer affected the assigning of IRQs.

Paul - Please tell me more about this USB device you referenced in your post.
It looks like I may have to jump through one more hoop.

[Pete Draves]

Go back to your original configuration.
Reboot
Start SE
Go to output and select vt and everything should be Hunky Dorey... or whatever
It is hot here.
Pete

[joevideo]

Thanks Pete

But before I installed the sound card SpeedEdit would not come up at all. If SpeedEdit is not running the output cannot be selected.

[ixlor8]

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[wvp]

Joe,
Try going into SpeedEdit & changing the output to VT4 & close SpeedEdit. THEN shut down the computer & remove the new audio card and put the firewire back in that slot. Restart the computer & see if SpeedEdit will now open. NOTE: I am not sure this will work, but its worth a try.

If you want more info on what Paul said about USB just click on the link in his post (I believe it was the word "USB") and up will come a window from Newegg where you can buy one without leaving your home.

I must add that I agree with the Newtek guys on this one...SpeedEdit is like all the other software based programs and requires a sound card. Offering the ability to send audio through the VT is a feature. Not questioning your knowledge of your computer - but its odd you don't have sound "on board" - I haven't seen a MB recently that does not include this. I have see MB's with a sound output that was disabled - but that can fixed by a simple jumper change.

Let me know if my "trick" works or not. If it does I would still hold on to the audio card in case you accidentally change the setting or something else happens.

[chuckd]

Joe, sorry you drove all over town and went through all that hassle! Like you, I didn't want to have to open my VT (rack-mounted) and try to find a good slot. I also didn't feel like messing with motherboard jumpers-- too hard to reach. I plunked down $15 or so for an external USB audio card. Problem solved-- no runs, no drips, no errors.