Speed edit on 2 computers [Archive]

wvp

10-28-2006, 01:55 PM

I imagine SpeedEdit will not allow this. Of course if you allready own VT[x] and pre-purchased your upgrade to VT5, then you will get a copy of SpeedEdit (i.e. Laptop) + VT5 which will include the SpeedEdit modual for editing. [note vt5 may not be released concurrent with SpeedEdit].

amiga2091

10-30-2006, 10:17 AM

It is going to be just like LightWave, once license per copy.

John

Sledgehammer

10-30-2006, 07:59 PM

It is going to be just like LightWave, once license per copy.

John

Ah, but Lightwave allows you to install on multiple systems, even mixing OS's, and you run it on whatever system has the dongle plugged in at the time.

Install it on your systems at home and at work, and when you go from one to the other, take the dongle with you.

Would this be the case with SE?

amiga2091

10-31-2006, 10:29 AM

No. One license per copy per computer.

John

KSTAR

10-31-2006, 10:32 AM

No. One license per copy per computer.

John

Is there a dongle though?

mgrusin

10-31-2006, 10:56 AM

The LW dongle is great for exactly this reason. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled to see SE as a solution to editing away from the main VT workstation (the VT card doesn't make the best dongle). ;)

What will be the "move to a different machine and delete / destroy the old copy" policy for SE? I've been going through a series of laptops lately (they don't make 'em like they used to...)

-MG.

amiga2091

10-31-2006, 10:57 AM

There are no plans for a hardware dongle, but there will be copy protection for SpeedEdit.

John

wilebill

11-01-2006, 11:15 PM

Okay, I have 2 VT machines and only ordered 1 VT5/SE upgrade. Can I take the stand-alone SE and put it on the VT4 machine?

wvp

11-02-2006, 08:53 AM

There are no plans for a hardware dongle, but there will be copy protection for SpeedEdit.

John
Hopefully something better thatn waht VT4 has... I have had situations where my registered VTs reported not being registered. Also I once switched cards in 2 of my VTs - that was fun reworking the registration!

Okay, I have 2 VT machines and only ordered 1 VT5/SE upgrade. Can I take the stand-alone SE and put it on the VT4 machine?
Can't see why not - it would just be another editing program on the computer (That is it would not be integrated with the VT4) Also you would have compatibility issues with stuff created in SE if you try to bring it into VT4. Of course I am giving you the logical answer, the real answer may be different! :)

cholo

11-02-2006, 05:12 PM

I have a question as well. I ordered 2 VT5 upgrades with speededit for free on both accounts. I gather speededit will be available before VT5 is, yet VT5 will basically include speededit's functionality built in. Can I install speededit on the VT workstations when it becomes available and once VT5 becomes available uninstall speededit from my VT workstations and install onto other machines?

pnelson

11-02-2006, 08:31 PM

"Can I install speededit on the VT workstations when it becomes available and once VT5 becomes available uninstall speededit from my VT workstations and install onto other machines?"

We will have procedures in place that will allow you to do this.

Thanks,

Ivan

11-02-2006, 10:45 PM

Will I be able to install on my laptop to capture in the field, uninstall and install on my desktop to take advantage of the more powerful machine for rendering?

I think I heard about a software key that allowed this at one time but I'm not sure how effective it was.

Ivan

steveg

11-02-2006, 11:13 PM

This is for Philip Nelson

I have a thought. Maybe there is a way to install Speed Edit on a USB drive, activate it with a software key, Then move that drive from computer to computer. Can this be rigged up to satisfy all conditions? If it could be done most everyone would be happy.

pnelson

11-03-2006, 01:35 AM

Ivan,

We are still sorting out some of the licensing issues but as far as I know, clients will only be able to install SpeedEDIT on one system. If you need to move the license to another computer, clients will need to call customer service to have their key redone.

JReble

11-06-2006, 09:42 AM

Well I really do understand the need for securing the legitimacy of the software, but I do have to chime in and say that it should be carefully done to avoid irritating the legitimate owners of the software. I've long since given up on all the Serious Magic stuff because of the tedium involved in registering their products via their lengthy registration codes. Moving to another system is a real hoot. Without an internet connection, which is not desireable on an editor, it's a real P.I.T.A. and I'd much rather have a dongle of some type.

robewil

11-06-2006, 03:04 PM

Dongle works for me too.

ScorpioProd

11-06-2006, 03:12 PM

I'd prefer a dongle, too.

That's how GV/Canopus did it with EDIUS 4, and that seems to be working, from what I hear.

tmon

11-06-2006, 04:55 PM

Not that this is an official voting thread or anything, but over the years, after having to get replacement VT cards, or motherboards, or keeping software alive across newly built workstations, I've come to appreciate the simplicity and convenience of registration codes tied to USB dongles. It's a pain to have to re-register everytime you rebuild your system. I vote for USB dongle for future standalone SpeedEdit purchases, with an upgrade option to USB dongle for those of us that get SpeedEdit with a past VT upgrade/purchase.

robewil

11-06-2006, 05:07 PM

I expect the SpeedEdit that comes with VT[5] to be tied to the VT card. It's the stand-alone version (i.e. the extra one for those of us who upgraded early) that should have a dongle for its copy protection. Just like Lightwave.

ScorpioProd

11-06-2006, 05:53 PM

Well, logically, based on LW, it's not like Newtek doesn't have tons of experience with USB dongles.

Lightwolf

11-06-2006, 06:41 PM

Just to chime in: Dongle please.
Licensing issues like that would really make me consider getting Speed Edit as all (since I travel more and more,I'd rather pack in a couple of dongles than re-register every time I'm on a three day trip).

Not to mention the fact that a single person may work on multiple machines, especially in smaller studios.

Heck, even an extra 50 bucks for a dongled version would be o.k. imho.

Cheers,
Mike

Jim_C

11-06-2006, 06:47 PM

Since it has never lied about going to war, raising taxes, or extra-maritial affairs, I vote for Dongle also....

Now if my choices were that easy tomorrow.

Whelkn

11-06-2006, 08:46 PM

I'm in for the Dongle as well----I have seen him give candy to babies

Liber777

11-07-2006, 11:37 AM

Either a dongle like LightWave, or a 2-seat license like Photoshop or Native Instruments. If a machine is going to go down, it will do so at 3am during a rush to deadline.

~Stivan

Lightwolf

11-07-2006, 11:47 AM

... or a 2-seat license like Photoshop or Native Instruments.
Having dealt with that and Adobe... no thanks ;)

Cheers,
Mike

Liber777

11-07-2006, 11:54 AM

Having dealt with that and Adobe... no thanks ;)

Cheers,
Mike

Now imagine the same scenario with only ONE license!

(:

Lightwolf

11-07-2006, 11:56 AM

Now imagine the same scenario with only ONE license!

Lol, well, either case (1 or 2 lics) is a reason not to get it unless absolutely necessary...

Cheers,
Mike

Liber777

11-07-2006, 12:10 PM

I like my dongle. I'm very comfortable with my dongle...

Mediaworx

11-07-2006, 08:30 PM

I have to say it seems a bit futile to be discussing this so late in the game. SE is being launched next week. Being one who has had to re-register VT on many occasions, Newtek makes the process pretty painless. The last time I had to do it, I think it took less than 5 minutes. There is no licensing solution that will please everyone.

ScorpioProd

11-08-2006, 12:39 AM

I have to say it seems a bit futile to be discussing this so late in the game. SE is being launched next week.

I wouldn't say it's futile, just cause there's a "launch party", that doesn't have anything to do with when SpeedEDIT will be shipping.

But yeah, I agree, no one system of copy protection will make everyone happy.

PIZAZZ

11-08-2006, 09:44 AM

Consider this you Dongle lovers out there....

1. Dongle dies = No :seicon: until you get a replacement dongle, 1 day, 2 days, more?

2. Computer dies = Call Newtek and beg for help.... put :seicon: on another computer, possibly in an hour or less.

Some might say well Newtek is only open so many hours of the day, what about in the middle of the night? If your dongle dies in the middle of the night you would have to wait until business hours to buy a replacement anyway. So what is the difference if you have to wait to talk to customer service to move a software license to another computer?

I would rather the posibility of #2 than the stress and guaranteed time lost with #1

This is from a user's point of view not a dealer's by the way. Having had Parallel port dongles and USB dongles fail on me in the past, I would much rather have a software version. SE for VT users will be locked to the card. SE standalone will be software locked.

Lightwolf

11-08-2006, 09:48 AM

Consider this you Dongle lovers out there....

1. Dongle dies = No :seicon: until you get a replacement dongle, 1 day, 2 days, more?
Considering the fact that I a) live across the pond and b) never had a dongle, but plenty of boxes fail on me in the past 10 years I'd still prefer the dongle ;)

However, it does seem late in the game.

Cheers,
Mike

bbeanan

11-08-2006, 05:56 PM

Once upon a time I had a dongle for a program called Show Designer. I was working on a project while flying from one gig to the next got really into it and then the flight attendant came by and said "Sir you must put away your laptop right now we are landing"... so in a hurry I put it all away. Plane lands I rush to my connecting flight which was only a short 30 min flight jumped on there and was at the next gig.
That night I figured I would finish up the programming I was doing on the plane and to my surprise I had lost my dongle they zipper had failed on the pocket that I kept the dongle in... so somewhere between 2 planes, airports, and the taxi ride to the gig and then the convention center, it was gone.

Ok so I called the company and said I lost my dongle... they said "No problem you will have to buy a new copy of the whole package" WHAT!! I still have the software and everything else I just need a new dongle. "well sir there in lies the problem how do we know you "lost" your dongle and that you did not give it to your buddy?" So since that day I have never again used my software as in protest I did not buy another copy of the software.

That is my 2 cents...

Lightwolf

11-08-2006, 05:59 PM

Well... in either case, it boils down to how well the company supports you, doesn't it ;)

Cheers,
Mike

robewil

11-08-2006, 05:59 PM

I'm still using my parallel Lightwave dongle from 1996. It's been attached to dozens of computers. Hasn't failed yet.

bbeanan

11-08-2006, 06:06 PM

Macromedia will look on your local network to see if more than 1 computer is running Dreamweaver if there is and you only have 1 lic. it will not let you launch it until you shut down the other copy. So basiclly put it on 2 or 3 computers but only 1 can run it at a time.

The other option is what D-Tools does which allows one of 2 options, one is just like the above the lic. is kept on your server and each computer can check out the lic as needed. They also allow you to check out the lic and take it away on your laptop, when that is done no one still in the office can use the software, until you check it back in. I love this plan!!

wilebill

11-08-2006, 10:54 PM

They also allow you to check out the lic and take it away on your laptop, when that is done no one still in the office can use the software, until you check it back in. I love this plan!!
Unless the laptop dies...

Lightwolf

11-09-2006, 03:34 AM

I'm still using my parallel Lightwave dongle from 1996. It's been attached to dozens of computers. Hasn't failed yet.
Yeah, we had three untul a wekk ago, when we replaced them with USB ones (for travelling).

Cheers,
Mike

bbeanan

11-09-2006, 12:17 PM

Unless the laptop dies...
Nope when you check it out you specify the time of check out... so in say 2 days your laptop lic. will expire and at the same time it will renew on your server.

and USB dongles do go bad one peice of software we went through 4 dongles before we got one that would last longer than 1 month. Each time required me to hop on a plane for a 1 hour flight to the museum to swap it out (since it was all in the first year it was on my dime) Turned out the software company had received a bad shipment of dongles. And since in their minds it was a simple unplug bad dongle and put in new dongle they would not help pay for the flights.

Last think about this you have a pissed off ex-employee and on his way out the door he swipes the dongle...

Ivan

11-09-2006, 06:56 PM

Oh, sure that's fine till someone steals your server. :devil: Actually that sounds like a pretty good scheme and the best I've heard yet.

Ivan

wilebill

11-10-2006, 01:15 AM

Oh, sure that's fine till someone steals your server. :devil: Actually that sounds like a pretty good scheme and the best I've heard yet.

IvanYeah, not a bad sounding idea after you get past the idea your laptop may die. :D

I knew I needed a server for something. Now I can justify it. Well, if I get some sort of software that stores a license on it.

wvp

11-11-2006, 03:38 PM

I don't think there is a perfect solution (at least not yet).
Dongels
are handy if you have need to install software on multiple machines but don't need to use on more than 1 at a time. They are also good if the company goes out of buisness (as long as they still work).
are not handy if you loose them, leave it at home/office are stolen, break, etc.
Server registration (ala D-Tools)
is an effectivly a "software dongle" so you get benifits of without the risks of loosing them.
is not perfect as you need a server setup or some way to transfer to the other computer(s) [perhaps a "reg file" via usb key?]
Software reg
benifts are just as Jef said.
downsides are company going belly up, issues if you want to move the software onto a different machine, inability to install program on multiple machines.

My biggest beefs on any of these is that if I pay for a program I want to be able to use that program for the rest of my life if I choose, so long as I do not lose the program. I'm ok with loosing a dongle - that's my fault. But I don't like owning software that relies on the company still being in buisness 3-5-10 years later for it to work. Maybe their could be some sort of 3rd party organization that does software registration for programs. The orgainization would be supported by many software developers so it would be around long after you & me.

pnelson

11-11-2006, 04:10 PM

"But I don't like owning software that relies on the company still being in buisness 3-5-10 years later for it to work."

Great news! NewTek is having it's 20th Anniversary and going strong! ;)

wvp

11-13-2006, 09:05 AM

Sorry Phil, not indicating that Newtek will go out of buisness. Just looking at the pros & cons of each. The current way (not just with NT) is like buying a car at a dealer and only that dealer can fix it. Well, if they go out of buisness you are scr*wd. So it would be nice if you could activate you programs via a 3rd party system. (anybody own DVD X-copy?) How about Pegasys AC3 converter? [allthough they are still in buisness].

ScorpioProd

11-13-2006, 02:05 PM

Well, realistically though, there are no guaranties in life.

Stuff like that happens.

I mean, that's like expecting a wedding videographer to promise that the couple will always be able to watch their DVD forever, and it won't ever fail...

Sledgehammer

11-13-2006, 10:10 PM

Well, how about giving the dongles to the Flying Spagetti Monster, and as he soars over the night sky, placing magic sleep dust into our eyes, he can deliver good dongles to those that place them under their pillows at night?

Sorry about that, been up too long. I vote dongles, or two installs.

Or better yet, have it run from a USB key.

Or even better, have it run from a live DVD. When you want to edit, place the disc into the drive and reboot.

On second thought, back to the dongles.

SBowie

11-17-2006, 04:55 PM

... and I'd much rather have a dongle of some type.I never thought I'd live to hear anyone say that.

ScorpioProd

11-17-2006, 05:40 PM

Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've never had problems with the USB dongles, or even the old parallel dongles that I've used...

I think USB dongles are a good way to go.

Seattle-HotShot

11-17-2006, 06:04 PM

Any chance that SE will run for say 15 days before it "MUST" be registered? I'm thinking of like how VT4.6 is now. Install the program on your backup computer, and have a week or two to get the registration figured out. That would solve most of the issues I see on this thread. Your main PC or laptop goes down. Fire up SE on your back up system, finish your project, life is good. Even 5 days would work. That would also solve the way most of us evaluate a program, download a demo. Only in this case, run the program in Demo mode, by installing it from your neighbors disk. Note I don't mean Steal the program. Use it, love it, send in the check, get your own registration key.

I know my own situation, lately, my VT card has been giving me problems. Since I don't use any of it besides editing at the moment, I've just stopped using it... finishing up some projects in my old Premiere 6...urg... but hey, when SE gets here, I love the idea that I'm not tied to a hardware failure, should it happen. Now I'm hoping that it will be a simple matter to move the licence to a new computer when I need to.

Ok, that's all I got for now.
Carlin
Seattle
www.Seattle-HotShotz.com