Lambourghini!

[99sproth]

Hi again

I've been working a spline cage for a lambourghni, its not done yet, but i hit auto patch to check that its ok and here are the results.

:(

Simo

[99sproth]

Heres a quick render. With the worst lighting ever!


Simo

[Rei]

good start, but do the tyers really stick outside the main body, just looks really weird. How many polys u at allready?

[99sproth]

Well each wheel is 500 polys, the frame is around 1000. so 3000

I've never modeled a SMOOTH car before. Infact, ive never used splines before.

I might redo the bodywork with twice as many polys, its a bit jagged at the moment.

[WizCraker]

Looks like you forgot to merge points.

[MorituriMax]

It's the lamborghini with the shuttle power plant. Those wierd hilights on the body are where the tiles are coming off after he shifted to the 23rd gear and hit mach 33 down US Highway 10.

:p

[99sproth]

Who said I'd forgot to merge points? lol. i just... hadn't got round to it.
;)

[99sproth]

Heres another piccy

[99sproth]

Heres another piccy.

I tried to make it look dented... and failed. :rolleyes:

[Hurben]

I like it's scratchy appearance.. I think you should make a few all with different polygon layout. Then during the animation make each frame a different model so as to achieve that animated scratchy effect.

[Randog]

I would start over.

Start with researching the car - so you can get the lines correct.

Back sure you get some good 3-views to put in the background.

Dump the Splines.

The car is very smooth and the lines should flow.

[99sproth]

Hmm
Its a bit too late considering I just sold the final renders!!!

[Rei]

Sproth you seem to be making a hell of a lot at the moment, how much money are you getting on average for these? You have finished most of you exams then havent you.

[99sproth]

LOL

I know it sounds really bad, but I'm "gifted" and I do ok in my exams even though I put in no effort!! I do put in alot of revision and I do lots of courses out of school to pad out my cv.

I really don't care what I get anyway. I have a career at a 3d firm waiting for me when I leave school. Or I'll just work freelance like I do now!!

For my freelance job I have to produce around 14 complex models and 10 easy models in 1-3 months. This will be followed up with modeling lots of 3d mechs for a book. Then after that I'll be making the artwork for the next book.

Im also designing the website for my school and for a gardening company.

I've made 4 models so far(in about 4 days). The bradley hippy tank, the war buggy, an audi tt and a lambourghini.

On average im charging 30 dollars per model and producing about 4 renders of each model. I sold the bradley(hippy tank) renders for $25 the lambourghini for $45 and the war buggy for $35.

I spent 4 hours on the bradley, 6 on the buggy and 7 on the lambourghini.

I know its sounds very cheap, but my client has lots of work lined up so im starting low, because if I leave a good impression they will keep on coming back!

Simo

[wgreenlee1]

Originally posted by 99sproth
Hmm
Its a bit too late considering I just sold the final renders!!!


You sold these?
How much would one pay for these prints?

Just curious....

[99sproth]

holy cow no. I only post my bad renders on the forum!! :p

The render I sold was similar to the last picture I posted. Although it had radiosity and had subpatches turned on.

[99sproth]

i reply to my own thread way too much. :eek:

heres another test render!

[Rei]

well so do I. Nice looking water, good reflections, that car is going to be soo un-aerodynamic!

Also do you still have exams?

[99sproth]

Yeah I just did my IT gcse. I think i did well. But its stupid anyway.

I can build a computer, make 3d animation, program c++ and visual basic. I make my own games, im going to work for a computer firm. Yet I almost failed thew course work part!!!:D

My science and RE are coming up soon. And the rest are next year.

Simo

ps: My first cheque arrived today. $35! lightwavin rules!!

[mmecca]

this could very well be that im still hungover...but, all this ''art'' just looks crappy in my eyes. you get the basic shape down, but besides that...complete dog-doo. im terribly sry to say this, it just has always lingered in my mind, also (not criticizing this) whats with all of the nice cars turned into terrible death machines, eh? quite confusing, anyways, i say spend a little time touching stuff up and putting a little more detail into before adding all the bull**** weapons and whatnot...also, please tell me your kidding that you sold these renders....

[99sproth]

I SAID i DIDN'T sell these renders!!

:p

I sold renders of the same models. BUT much higher quality renders. My client said he specificaly didn't want the final renders being posted on the forums. Im not going to spend an extra half a day rendering just to show off on the forums.

These images are untextured, have subpatching turned off, have caustics and radiosity turned off. They are without the bump mapping. I admit that the posted renders do look crap, but there are politer ways of putting it!! :D

My client ALSO specifies alot of what he wants the renders to look like. So if they look stupid i dont care... hell, I'm getting paid for it!!!

Anyways I still loath making cars. :rolleyes:

Simo

[MorituriMax]

What I have seen here doesn't look like crap to me..

:(

[99sproth]

What I have seen here doesn't look like crap to me..

Worse than crap? :p

[Rei]

the word Uber springs to mind, I just dont know what to put after it!

[MorituriMax]

No... not worse than crap either.. I think it is work that is perfect for his level of skill.. if he can then turn around and make money off it, more power to him, given that what he says he sold looked much better than what he posted here...

The customer rates your work with his wallet.

[Hurben]

Even so, I think you're teasing us.. I'd like to see what the final render looks like.
Couldn't you crop the image into a thin strip so we would only see part of it but get the general jist?

[mmecca]

im sorry...but whats the point of even posting your apparently finished work here if we dont get to see a good render of it. you cant cop-out with the client idea, just be creative and use your model that you made and make your own little scene that your "client" cant get mad about.

[Scolopendra]

Excuse me. Since I'm here I've seen this forum very intelegent and diplomatic but sometimes I just don't understand why people saying "it's good, well done, keep up good work" when these words can't be applied to exposed pictures?

I understand that we all are at very different levels of skill, experience and even talent. And it is normal when somebody posts his render and says that it's his first work and he playing with LW around 1 week to point him on his mistakes instead of saying that it's absolutely crappy.

But when guy arrives with some hmm... let's say questionable renders and saying that he selling something similar to these renders for real money, why you people still keeping smiles on the face?

First of all I don't understand what the reason for posting some socalled "testrenders" if there finished work already which is better. Even this section named Work-in-Progress doesn't make it the Trashcan section. Even if the client deny posting paid work there is always possibility to change lightning, camera angle, some textures and bring another shot. I believe if everybody will post his "testrenders" we all will have hard times to find something valuable on this forum and we will quit browsing it cause nobody wants to digging garbage.

Second, what the point for paying money, I mean money, real money for work like this, even if it's slightly better, when almost for the same price you can buy outstanding car models from Lewis for example.

99sproth: I'm sorry but you probably understood what I mean. What you've exposed can't be called "work".

All I've said absolutely IMHO, please no offense, I believe everyone always should try harder and position: "I don't care how crappy it looks like since client pays" just not acceptable. Again, IMHO.

[wgreenlee1]

Whats the name of this "client"?

I got a buncha stuff he might be intrested in....

[99sproth]

WOW, if its That offensive, that someone posts their test renders on the forum, I'll delete it all.

Ok, so I'm not a cgi king, I learning. I learn as I go. I'll delete my posts if its such a massive problem for you guys. My client found me and contacted me through my image posts the cg talk forums. If I'm so bad why the hell did he contact me? Maybe because I produce average renders for a very cheap price?

I just wanted to show you what I was in progress of making and for people to point out problems with it that I can correct. Its great to say "thats crap" but you could say "mm, that lighting rig is poor, oh, and smooth out that edge."

I was going to attach some final images of my work, but its obviouse that you guys dont care. :D

I'll just delete this thread if its *THAT BAD*. :rolleyes:

[Schwing]

99sproth:

I think you're being a little disingenuous. If you want honest opinions, you should be putting your best work foreward. And learn to take the bullets with the roses.

[99sproth]

yeah ok, but if its soo bad could people tell me why!?

Im Still going to delete this post, I dont want it turning into a certain ufo accident that happened to rei.

I SPECIFICALLY made this render just for you guys. Its of the tank i made for $25, yeah $25, its hardley daylight robbery! Did I mention im going to do some of the renders in manga style? I couldn't be bothered to turn radiosity on, because I know I'm going to get a kick up the ***** for posting it anyway! If you do like it... I will do a radiosity one.

I do appreciate what you guys said, I think I was being a bit arrogant, to tease you with my test renders.

simo

[99sproth]

Oh yeah, the picture might help!

[Hurben]

What does the client want the images for?

Can you post a slice of the image you sold of the lamboghini?

[CAClark]

Hey Simo, it's not that people are trying to be deliberately harsh or unkind, or that people do not care. But do me a favour. Look at the last render of the lambo you posted ok? Forget as much as you can tht you made it. Just look at it for face value. What do you see?

A car that has very little surfacing work applied to it. The geometry is untidy, and the model shows it in the render. It's rendered in an environemt that does it no favours at all (that can be a tricky one sometimes I grant you). In summary, it looks like a fast, cheap and dirty model with little work expended on it. The attached weapons don't help, but if they are essential, thats just the way it is.

Given the standard of renders, the critique you are seeing that may seem offensive is actually bang on the mark. You can't realsitically expect anything different.... until you post some semblence of these final renders that look good.

That should clarify why poeple are saying something is bad.

The tank render is fine, but you'd get more input for that in its own thread I would think (no, thats not exaclty a kick in ***** eh?)


Cheers

Craig

[Rei]

Why dont you do up a new render with the car, that is not for commercial use that you can show us?

[5TEF]

sorry, but
definitely looks bad...

[99sproth]

Im trying to render a new image of the car, but ittle take some time :( . My 1ghz 256mb of sdram is at breaking point.

Hurben :-
The cars are for thumbnails for a paper based rpg book. It is a comic book post apocalipse world. Thats about as far a my brief goes.

Marco, my client specified he wanted cheap, car models with Stupidly huge guns on them. He said he didn't want them to be too expensive and he wants 12 done within the next 2 weeks. Hence the "rushed" look.

rendering started....

[99sproth]

Hmm, lightwave lockup. Has anyone has rendering lockups when using cel shaders lile "unreal" and subpatching.

Well heres what WOULD render.

I know... its um rushed.

[MentalFish]

Not to fire up the discussion, but the car is not called Lambourghini and definately not a lamboghini, though some of the Lamborghini Diablo designs of the 90's definately looked like a bog.

It is Lamborghini and that is NOT pronounced Laem-bur-geenie.

but.. Laam-bor-gini

By the way, any suggestions of how to pronounce Murciélago ? I am still quite unsure on how to pronounce it... it means bat, so perhaps call it the bat mobile instead.

http://www.car-forums.com/car_pictures/_image/mur_001.jpg

BTW, not a render :)

If you go to the Google link under, you can see a mixture of bats and yellow cars:

Bats and yellow cars (http://images.google.com/images?hl=no&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Murci%C3%A9lago&sa=N&tab=wi&lr=)

Thats all for today, and concludes my lesson and total knowledge of italian... and spanish? :confused:

With best regards,

Petter

[wgreenlee1]

Originally posted by 99sproth
Oh yeah, the picture might help!


Can you show us some wireframes of that tank you modeled?
Looks good.

How long did that to model?Looks pretty detailed.

[99sproth]

Who dragged this zombie of a thread outta its grave. Let it die!!


er wgreenlee1

.. http://vbulletin.newtek.com/showthread.php?threadid=5034&goto=newpost

more detail about the bradley!

[chrisisbacky2k]

hi si, thought i'd join in with the crit :D

you should really think about a total remodel, and maybe try not using splines this time!

just a thought :),

also you should really think about replay less to your own post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

half of the replays on here are yors, lol!

[99sproth]

Stop posting on this thread. I've allready done what was needed chris... get up to date.

NO MORE POSTS PLEASE

chris - u done any maths?

[chrisisbacky2k]

ok

[chrisisbacky2k]

ok, soz

in answer to the maths: hell no, and were we spose to do it for homewok? :confused:

[wgreenlee1]

Originally posted by 99sproth
Im trying to render a new image of the car, but ittle take some time :( . My 1ghz 256mb of sdram is at breaking point.

Hurben :-
The cars are for thumbnails for a paper based rpg book. It is a comic book post apocalipse world. Thats about as far a my brief goes.

Marco, my client specified he wanted cheap, car models with Stupidly huge guns on them. He said he didn't want them to be too expensive and he wants 12 done within the next 2 weeks. Hence the "rushed" look.

rendering started....


Where can we find out about this book?
Looks intresting.

What publisher is your client useing?

[MorituriMax]

Respectfully...

Mind your own business 99sproth, if they (newtek) want the thread to die, then the moderator can kill it.. email him to kill it, other than that let people post unless you pay their bills..

Seeya
PS as you might have noticed, they are asking about the tank now, not that it changes how much weight your opinion holds about which thread "needs" to die...

[Simon]

Hi,

Ref this high quality render you sold with radiosity and subpatch turned on, I'm interested in how you managed to get it to be high quality when there are so many polys with more than 4 points showing in the wireframes? Particularly where it looks like you have boolean'd the bonnet out, and where the wheel arches join the rest of the car?

Cheers,

[mattclary]

Originally posted by 99sproth
LOL
I know it sounds really bad, but I'm "gifted"


See, this is the part that bothers me. :rolleyes: I'm all supportive of people just starting with LightWave, but don't go calling yourself gifted, it puts you in a whole other category. CAClark hit the nail on the head with his crits. It's kinda nice how using a cell shader covers the lack of any real texturing work. Radiosity ain't gonna help any of these models. ;)

[Gandelin]

I just love a good bullying thread (i am not being sarcastic, that sproth guy was a little weasle), but i think the dude is gone now. Man his picture was ugly, god knows what bad photoshop tutorial he did but it was probably entitled "how to make your average nerd look all pale and overexposed".

Good work guys.

[hrgiger]

Simply put, it's a total copout to post work that you say is not your best work, that the REAL work went to the "CLIENT" but you can't show us that.

Also, a total waste of our time.

[99sproth]

AHAHAHAHAHAHA, I just came back to this thread.

Epita taught me well. U guys are really unstable. I was doing this to annoy you guys. I made the model using a sub patch cage in 20 minutes!!!!!

ahahahahahaha.

And yes I am a weasel, are you discriminating?? If I were a badger would you hate me too? :p

I never said I was gifted with lightwave, I'm still learning. I was refering to my eden project work.

"god knows what bad photoshop tutorial he did but it was probably entitled "how to make your average nerd look all pale and overexposed". "

- LOL

I painted that piccy, its not a photo! Anyway what have you got against pale people? ARE you racist against albenos???

ahahha, sorry about this guys!
:p

just read through the thread... its pure comedy!!

DEATH BY FLAMMING SHOE!

[mattclary]

uhhhhh huh...

[CAClark]

What an utter a.s.s-hat.

[chrisisbacky2k]

this post is full of the biggest load of bull plop i'v ever seen!

please let this die, its been going on for too long!!!!!!!!!!!! :o

[MorituriMax]

Can't let it die.. as it is hopefully going to yield a tank wireframe.. and then some discussion on it..

[chrisisbacky2k]

he already did!

that post died- like this one should!

i will ask him 2 though :p

[MorituriMax]

You (and me now) are not exactly doing anyone any favors by posting off topic how this should die, yada yada blah blah... if you don't want to READ this topic, then shut up and let us who DO want to read and discuss here do so.. nobody is holding a gun to your head and saying "hey click that thread or else".. hmmm?

Stop posting here if you aren't participating in the threads topic..

email the moderator to kill it with the VALID reason why it should be removed. Until such time as you pay my cable bill or support me financially, then just go away and let us talk about lamborginis and tank wireframes...

Kapish?
here is my email: any future, um, "suggestions" you might have send there.

rstepp@sw.rr.com

[Randog]

Originally posted by 99sproth
AHAHAHAHAHAHA, I just came back to this thread.

Epita taught me well. U guys are really unstable. I was doing this to annoy you guys. I made the model using a sub patch cage in 20 minutes!!!!!

ahahahahahaha.

And yes I am a weasel, are you discriminating?? If I were a badger would you hate me too? :p

I never said I was gifted with lightwave, I'm still learning. I was refering to my eden project work.

"god knows what bad photoshop tutorial he did but it was probably entitled "how to make your average nerd look all pale and overexposed". "

- LOL

I painted that piccy, its not a photo! Anyway what have you got against pale people? ARE you racist against albenos???

ahahha, sorry about this guys!
:p

just read through the thread... its pure comedy!!

DEATH BY FLAMMING SHOE!


I find this odd. You recently posted on a different forum asking about network rendering for stills. Within that post you stated that you just received something along the lines of $150 for you freelance work.

If this is true, then it jives with your initial posting and not what you are saying now.

I understand you are trying to learn Lightwave. People in this forum are usually willing to help - myself included. Most of us learned this way and have a stong sense of "community" and want to give back to it by helping new artists learn.

However, your post(s) do make this a bit difficult. If in fact you do want to learn then meet us half-way and let's move forward.

If you want to learn but are playing sophomoric games then you can count me out. I am too busy to play childish games. I think a majority of the people here feel the same way.

[chrisisbacky2k]

soz si that was kane, got into my account!

[99sproth]

Ok I'm sorry. It was childish.

What Im really doing is freelance tanks for the british army vehicle recognition program. Look for "hippy tank" on the forums. There is a wireframe there.

I'd ignore this thread, I never expected to get on people nerves so much, although it did feel kinda good!

sorry guys. I never expected 51 replys.

oh.. and chris, we may have been messing around but don't be abusive to these guys. Its unfair and totally uncalled for.

sorry again.

simo

[wgreenlee1]

Originally posted by 99sproth
Ok I'm sorry. It was childish.

What Im really doing is freelance tanks for the british army vehicle recognition program. Look for "hippy tank" on the forums. There is a wireframe there.

I'd ignore this thread, I never expected to get on people nerves so much, although it did feel kinda good!

sorry guys. I never expected 51 replys.

oh.. and chris, we may have been messing around but don't be abusive to these guys. Its unfair and totally uncalled for.

sorry again.

simo




Does anyone know where we can get the book thats going to have these renders in them?


Anyone?

[mattclary]

Sorry, that's classified. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. ;) I'm sure the British army wouldn't want us to see the high quality renders of those Lamborgini's with the missile launchers. It would let the Italians know that they KNOW that they know about their secret weapons project and their master plan to take over all of Europe. Starting with France first, of course. But that would be OK, might actually want to go to France then.

[chrisisbacky2k]

si, that tank has gone me thinks!!

post it up either here or on a new thred cos thats pretty cool

[99sproth]

Im sure it hasn't, but heres the wireframe requested.

My other freelance book will be published soon. Ill put a pdf file on the forums just for u guys!!

The armys thing is called "insight", its for a local company. And no I dont think theyll be wanting the lambourghini!!

:p

Nuthing would make me wanna go to france.

[wgreenlee1]

Originally posted by mattclary
Sorry, that's classified. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. ;) I'm sure the British army wouldn't want us to see the high quality renders of those Lamborgini's with the missile launchers. It would let the Italians know that they KNOW that they know about their secret weapons project and their master plan to take over all of Europe. Starting with France first, of course. But that would be OK, might actually want to go to France then.



Ok,so nobody knows where to get this book?

I was want to check out this "RPG SCI-FI" with Lightwave renders.

Does anyone know the publisher?

[CiaranM]

Hey, what's wrong with France?

[MorituriMax]

The only thing wrong with France is that it is full of frenchmen.

:D

[Tinkertanker]

Originally posted by petterms

By the way, any suggestions of how to pronounce Murciélago ? I am still quite unsure on how to pronounce it... it means bat, so perhaps call it the bat mobile instead.

With best regards,

Petter

Mur-sea-ell-a-go.

Cheers

[chrisisbacky2k]

hi Tinkertanker,

is yor avatar pic made in lightwave?

i was making a fender which didn't turn out too well, but before that i was making a gibon the same as that!

i would be very interested (if you havn't in the past) seeing that posted up on the forums!

just a thought :D