TeD standalone program?

[eon5]

with VT3... its posible to develop Toaster Edit like a standalone aplication, with firewire support ? (like avid xpress dv)

This is the idea:

- News Editing production floor with some PCs.

- One PC have VT board, tha another ones no.

- The anothers ones use TeD without board.

- The video files are shared through fiberchannel.

- Only the PC with VT do the video playout.

(replacing to edit with Premiere)




erhhh... please? :D

[Paul Lara]

Great idea! Thanks.

[eon5]

hey! where is my check!? http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/lachen/laughing-smiley-006.gif

[tfrank]

Paul Laura...
I know that one of my co-workers has posted a similar request in the past, although without detail. We've only been users of a VT2 for a few short months. But it's EXTREMELY obvious that NewTek has a product here that could make tremendous inroads in News Editing. It's simple, it's fast, it's "cheap" and it works. We purchased our system for producing commercials/promos with an SDI card so that we might be able to send our work direct to a server for air. Although that is not hooked up yet due to money being spent on the consumer scam (editoral statement) of HDTV, this interconnectivity is crucial to the new reality of commercial television. Perhaps another avenue for NewTek is to work up a partnership with an exisiting Newsroom Computer supplier. What ever you do, I would do it soon...you are missing out on a new revenue stream. What ever way you can get a toaster in the door, take it. There is not another system out there that offers the performance for the price, and I've been doing this for a long time. In this day of declining capital budgets, toaster was/is a dream come true.

[fbcsjosh]

Originally posted by eon5
with VT3... its posible to develop Toaster Edit like a standalone aplication, with firewire support ? (like avid xpress dv)

This is the idea:

- News Editing production floor with some PCs.

- One PC have VT board, tha another ones no.

- The anothers ones use TeD without board.

- The video files are shared through fiberchannel.

- Only the PC with VT do the video playout.

(replacing to edit with Premiere)




erhhh... please? :D

What about doing something like in-sync did w/ their software? Uncompressed speed razor and blade 2 (standalone ted).....We find ourselves editing at home on a VT2 (3 soon, so soon!) and a blade laptop on the road.

Pwetty pwease?!? :D

[Paul Lara]

Originally posted by fbcsjosh
Pwetty pwease?!? :D

We hear you! :p

[dml]

You also want to add analog composite and Y/C video and audio input and output, one in and one out for video, stereo audio in and out. Pinnacle has released an AGP graphics card with their recent Liquid Edition software that includes FireWire in and out plus analog video and stereo audio in and out.

Lots of low-power TV stations and cable-TV operations still rely on composite video or at best Y/C video as their video signal path. FireWire is the latest and greatest, but you would be ignoring a large part of the potential market for a standalone version of TED.

The ability to edit VT[3] projects on any PC, with or without the Toaster card, is very, very attractive.

What other software from the VT[3] suite would everyone want included with ToasterEdit (VT3Edit)?

If Pinnacle can do it, NewTek can do it even better!

Matt Drabick,
DigiTek Sytems
Raleigh, NC

[fbcsjosh]

I do a lot of videos for the web, maybe let the firewire version of TeD have more than WindowsMedia exports for web use, I'd rather have some side system rendering the el cheapo web projects than my main VT3 wasting my time rendering the web stuff so I can be doing stuff for broadcast

[eon5]

im waiting for it ! :p

regards

[james_dmi]

A standalone TED would be great to use with networked video drives in the TV studio. But for most users without fibre channel we could really use a version on a laptop or second system for firewire work and field editing. This would need to run on off the shelf type PC’s which have plenty of CPU power but not necessarily the HD bandwidth of a typical VT system. For this reason some effort needs to go into TED to improve its non real-time functionality

At the moment TED is very mush tuned for multi-stream real time systems, although it can be used on a single stream system with rendering, this is painful compared to other editors. The following features must be implemented before it would be useful:

• Option to save render cache with projects (So you don’t have to let it render again each time you turn on the system)
• A render status bar above the timeline that uses a colour code to tell you the status of each frame (eg Blank: can be played without rendering, Red: requires rendering, Green: Renderd to cache)
• Even more intelligent background rendering so it renders the area around the current time marker on the time line first
• The ability to select a time range and get Ted to render stuff in just that time and then play it. (Like in Speed Razor when you could drag a time range above the time line then press Alt + Space.) This is great for when you are working on a particular area and you make changes that may invalidate a large range of frames.
• Better rules for determining what need to be re-rendered. Ted often renders far more then it needs to when you make a change that only affects a few frames. This is difficult to see because Ted does not have the above “Render Status” display but you know when you have just changed something that only effects a few frames (ie shorten the end of a clip) then the green light goes off for the same amount of time at it took the render the whole length of the clip.

[eon5]

james_dmi, good points.

just look Avid Newscutter Adrenaline FX... this is what i need... to edit DV25, DV50, but VT based.

[Jim_C]

• Option to save render cache with projects (So you don’t have to let it render again each time you turn on the system)



Just change the extension of the cache file to rtv.


Then place it on the timeline where it had to render to begin with.

[james_dmi]

Cool workaround but I was not making a feature request for my current project. These were points that would be required to make TED work on a off the shelf PC. This is the environment that most people would use a standalone TED in.

BTW. Your simple workaround shows how easy it would be for NewTek to implement!

[UnCommonGrafx]

Laptop...coming soon...

Me want TeD for walkaround showoffs.

;)

[Bobt]

It would sure make my NAB demos much easier ;)

Bob

[kleima]

BTW, you can run the VT on a laptop now, with the addition of an external box that holds the VT card and interfaces with the laptops PCMCIA slot. ;)
Talk to Jef at Pizazz Productions. www.pizazzme.com

[james_dmi]

Far too expensive and much more then is required. The point of a standalone TED is so that normal Toaster users can:

Take projects into meetings to discuses with clients.
Do quick edits in the field
Multiple people working on a project through a network
Ability to work in multiple offices (very important for freelances)
Take your work down the pub

There is no need for live functionality and all its associated IO

My system would be a laptop + my ext firewire 500GB HD (system cost = £1000). In no way would it replace my workstation but it would greatly enhance productivity. For NewTek they get to sell a product to its existing toaster base + all new sets of professionals and home users! But they must get the user experience right. No workarounds and useable on low-end single stream hardware.

[SBowie]

Take your work down the pub
Aahh, at last -- the real reason comes out! ;

[james_dmi]

You got me

[Jim Capillo]

Take your work down the pub



Hey - I'd buy one for that !!!! :D

[kleima]

I agreee that sometimes you wouldn't need all the I/O, but the external box also has space for SCSI card and SCSI drives. And, with a card that goes in the workstation, you can plug into the workstation and then plug into the laptop without moving the VT card from slot to slot. So, it can do everything you said, except the network project, with an extra box that's a bit bigger than your firewire drive.
I am not saying that Newtek shouldn't have a software only version, just that it IS CURRENTLY possible to run it on a laptop, and do most of the things you mention! ;)
BTW the box I speak of costs $1500, so it's not that horrendously priced.

[james_dmi]

But how cool will you look lugging all that into your local? Also not sure I would like to have to take my expensive toaster card and scsi HDs out on location.

[Blaine Holm]

A laptop Robert? How about this one?

http://tinyurl.com/5hzx6

Click on configure to see realtime pricing and options.

[Scott Bates]

Cool :) What brand is it Blaine?

[PIZAZZ]

Cool :) What brand is it Blaine?

That is an OEM version available to system integrators. I just built one for myself that has a 3.4ghz P4 and 2 80gig drives in it doing Raid 0. This guy is heavy but it totally flies. Alienware, Sager, and Neo sell the same unit also. We of course usually offer a better price than those other guys. :)

Very nice piece of gear.

[UnCommonGrafx]

Hmm,
Blaine, Wish I'd known... Went with this one:
http://products.gateway.com/products/GConfig/proddetails.asp?system_id=m520xpl&seg=hm&cmpid=con*M520series*stepupX*M520XPlus*products/hm_ptb_m520~~shtml

Great price and it arrived yesterday. XP makes a fast system seem slow...

But lappys are awesome!

[Blaine Holm]

It's made by Clevo, a comapany in Taiwan, for the 'white box' notebook market.

[eon5]

Yay Hooray!

[cgbloke2004]

Is this thread of a standalone TeD and the coming-soon SpeedEdit related?

[ted]

That's a big 10-4 rubber ducky!
Oh, you are from the UK so that is a big YES! I don't think you are up on the CB talk.

[Jim Capillo]

That's a big 10-4 rubber ducky!
Oh, you are from the UK so that is a big YES! I don't think you are up on the CB talk.

WOW ! I thought I was watching Smokey and the Bandit again !!!

You need to get a Nextel, Ted..... ;) :D

[Bobt]

Ted Reminds me a bit of Burt Reynolds :DOH:
Bob

[cgbloke2004]

ROFL!
yeah, reading ted's post gave me a Smokey and the Bandit flashback just then! :D

[tmon]

Is this thread of a standalone TeD and the coming-soon SpeedEdit related?

SpeedEdit=the death of this thread.

:thumbsup:

[BrentYoung]

Can't wait to see it