Basically Done :)

[mdunakin]

OK, it's all basically done, at least for now.
I think about all I need left is the very, very tedious task of adding all those little tiny white and black speckles for the back and legs, sort of like what's on the face. But, for the most part, he's done.
I just want to get out of texturing and get started with the rigging.
And then even better, the fun of making the scene that he'll go in.
That's where I am more comfortable :)

http://www.md-arts.com/HT_WIP_3_Whole_Done_1.jpg
http://www.md-arts.com/HT_WIP_3_Whole_Done_1b.jpg
http://www.md-arts.com/HT_WIP_3_Whole_Done_1c.jpg
http://www.md-arts.com/HT_WIP_3_Whole_Done_Top_1.jpg
http://www.md-arts.com/HT_WIP_3_Whole_Done_Top_1a.jpg
http://www.md-arts.com/HT_WIP_3_Whole_Done_Bot_1.jpg
http://www.md-arts.com/HT_WIP_3_Whole_Done_Bot_1a.jpg

see ya'll for now.

..................md :)

[groodwanderer]

Please posts WIP's in the WIP's forum.

[mdunakin]

Don't worry.
I already posted a reply to you on this in the other thread.
I dought I'll waste any more time though with this, as this is a bit on the totally petty side of things, considering the amount of people who even bother to post here in the first place.

I'm going to find this WIP forum and see for myself just how many, if any?, people actually post there and how many ever actually even bother to reply to people who do post there.
maybe I'll be surprised, but i have my doughts.

later, and post something "usefull" up here, instead of getting on my case.

[mattclary]

I'd hardly say he "got on your case". :) You've done nice work, you obviously have talent. This area is more for tech support issues, what you want is one of the Gallery sections. There are two, one for finished work and one for works in progress (WIP). There are over 3000 posts in the WIP section, lots of people go there.


http://vbulletin.newtek.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=130

[hrgiger]

In reality, most poeple should post their work in the WIP gallery. There are still too many posts in the finished gallery since so few of them are really ACTALLY finished.

[mdunakin]

OK, first off, I know I got overly spazed out about that, but for reason.
For one, this person didn't even bother to make ANY comments on the work. He just wanted to tell me where to go.
Now that comes off to me as getting on my case.
And the fact that he did this on both posts that I have in this forum and on both he doesn't bother to say anything worth while, other then to tell me that this type of thing doesn't belong here.
For one, is he a moderator, no.

And, as I pointed out in my own comments, I tend to post WIP here, because EVERY SINGLE TIME I POST WORK UP HERE, I get loads of questions about the methods and things I did to make them.
Those sorts of questions ARE for the Tips and Tricks section, whether that person likes it or not.
Posting in two seperate forums for the same subject is pretty rediculous if you ask me.
I'm not going to post the image in one place and then have to answer the questions from THAT place in another forum.
And, if that is some absolute rule here, then it won't be worth the while to bother.

Like I ALSO mentioned to this, that there isn't exactly loads of messages in THIS forum to even warent bothering to tell me that I can't be posting up work like that here.

I sometimes check here for several days and won't see a single new posts. And when I do see new posts, it's only one or two, not dozens a day like over at the Cg forum.
And over there I don't have to worry about someone telling me that I'm posting in the wrong place, just because they don't like it.

Yes, I "am" making too much of this to some out there, but not to me.
I've been here in this group for a very long time, and have never had this problem before.

I don't need the extra headach of posting images in one forum and then trying to keep track of which and what things people are asking questions about in some other forum and so on and so on.

Sorry if no one else agrees with this, but oh well................md

[hrgiger]

Originally posted by mdunakin
Posting in two seperate forums for the same subject is pretty rediculous if you ask me.


Isn't that what you're doing?

I would get used to people not always telling you what you want to hear. There are some of us (me included) that didn't like the idea of having a WIP section and a finished section for a gallery just for this reason. When I go to the WIP gallery, I expect to see WIP's. And when I go to the finished gallery, I expect to see work that's finished. Finished to me implies that you no longer want criticism on it. Not the case there. Just like I don't go to the Tips and Tricks gallery to give criticism and comments on artwork. That's what the WIP gallery is for.
I'm not sure I understand the comment about you not needing the "headache" of keeping track of what people are asking you from another forum. Perhaps you should try limiting your post to one forum section? I just think it's polite to try and keep your post to the appropriate forum.

[mdunakin]

hrgiger, ya know, I "was" going to get into this with you and make my stance, but!!!!, seeing as I already said my say on the matter, which apparently you didn't read or something? from my latest posts?, so, I won't bother reiterating myself again.
This is far too much crap then one needs from a forum.
Reread my reasoning one more time,,,, if it isn't too much trouble?

So,,,,, later all........................md :(

>>>>>>>>>>>>Quote from my earlier posts:

And, as I pointed out in my own comments, I tend to post WIP here, because EVERY SINGLE TIME I POST WORK UP HERE, I get loads of questions about the methods and things I did to make them.
Those sorts of questions ARE for the Tips and Tricks section, whether that person likes it or not.
Posting in two seperate forums for the same subject is pretty rediculous if you ask me.
>>>>>>>>>>

If what I said doesn't make sense, then I have no clue as to a better way to say it. By two different group/forums, I mean by posting up the art work in one forum and then having to reply to alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllll the questions those art works ALWAYS generate in THOSE forums, into a forum like this one.
I "DID!!!" notice that no one was bitching and complaining about tech type questions in THOSE forums, but if a WIP gets posted here, then WHOA!, watch out. Moan and complain.

I get the distinct feeling, that ever since they transformed this forum into this new version, that there are far more whiners and petty complaints then what used to be here.
Sad :(
Truely, I will not be back to this nonsense.
I've been doing things this way for a very long time and so have most everyone else.
I never had to deal with this sillyness before.
I feel like I'm back in Junior High or something.
Over to the CG group, I guess................................?

Ooopppsss,,, I guess I "did" try to reiterate myself :)

[hrgiger]

Bye.

[mdunakin]

Yep.

Just out of curiosity, have "you" ever asked a tech type question in the WIP forum?
I plan on doing a search to find out either way, but just wonder.
Because that would be the very same thing that is being complained about in "this" forum.
And this question goes for the other person who started this nonsense.
And, did you actually reread what my reasoning was and still disagree with that?
I mean you're still entitled to your own opinions.

And I'm not really mad or anything like that at either of you, just wondering why you two want to make this an issue?
It's "truely" not that big of a deal to you, (or shouldn't be) as this is everyone's forum.

So, I'll ask again, did you reread my opinions/reasoning on this?
And that still didn't make sense to either of you?
I mean about how I feel that people always want to know how I did things, as in being tech type questions on the art work?

...................md :)

[hrgiger]

Have I ever asked a tech type question in the WIP forum? Do you mean, have I ever asked someone how they acheived a particular look or effect on a WIP they posted in the WIP forum? Probably. 2 totally different things. Difference is, I didn't start a thread in the WIP forum by asking a technical question. That's what the general support and tech and tips forum is for.

Did I reread your reasoning? Yes. Do I agree with it. Not really. And I really am not making a big deal out of it, I'm just stating my opinion that if you have a work in progress, then there is CLEARLY a forum for that. WIP. If you're lizard is finished (and I like it by the way) then there is also CLEARLY a forum for that too. Finished. Just because it MIGHT get a question about how you did it doesn't necessarily mean it belongs in the tips and tricks forum. Now, if you post a picture and then before any questions are asked present some tutorial on how you did it, then fine. I think I speak for a lot of us when I say we don't expect to find artwork in the tips and tricks forum.

I think it sounds a little arrogant to post a piece of your work in the tips and tricks section because you expect "loads" of questions about how you did it. Just IMHO, of course.

You say this shouldn't be a big deal to us but then you go on to say that it's everybody's forum. Well perhaps if more then a few of us feel you should post a WIP in the WIP forum, perhaps for the better of all of us you should. I mean, do whatever you want, post your stuff in the wrong forum, it doesn't ultimately matter to me. Just don't be surprised when you get responses like, move it to the (insert appropriate forum here) forum. That's all I'm saying.

[mdunakin]

OK, I can obviously see where you are coming from, (duh) but yes, even though "you" think I'm being arogant, I KNOW for a fact that every single time I post work here and it isn't just me, so you can get off that track that it's "ME" being arogant, cuz others do it all the time too, but I ALWAYS get those types of questions, i.e. tech type questions, EVERY single time, but more over, I actually "DON'T" think others feel this way, as I've been here forever and I haven't seen you here all that much till recently.

But more then that, I also feel that I was here before any of this BS started that one had to post in seperate forums, (because no one was forced to hunt for a seperate forum before, which isn't in any way shape or form, saying that they didn't used to have it set up that way) as me and loads of others have been doing it this way since time began, and I just have to wonder if it's just newer people coming in here, like happens with these sorts of things all the time, where some newer person comes in and gets all anal on a certain thing that bothers that person induvidually?

You, "DO" sound like I got your dander up, and more then that, like you're actually pissed off, which isn't really nessisary, IMO.
I'm just trying to find a reasonable reason for this outcry over this? Just by the arogant comment, I mean.

So, "PLEASE" don't take me as arogant or a jerk, I'm really a very helpfull person here who LOVES this place.
I tried to say to you today that I'm not mad at anyone, but you "do" sound that way, i.e. pissed off.

I know what I've experienced in the years I've been here that NO ONE has EVER made an issue over something as silly as this thread has turned into, until now.

And still, no comments on my work.
I wouldn't probaly have even gotten into this whole thing if the first person would've said his thoughts in a way that was more along the lines of, "Say, your work is coming along nicely or critique it or whatever, and then "also" mention, that say, just so you know Mark, you ought to post your WIP work into this other forum that is specifically set aside for that, just for future reffence?".
Just so you know Mark.
Keep up the post, but if you can, please post these things over there when you can.

NO!, that's NOT been what's been happening here.

It's like when I was in the alt.binaries newsgroup and newbies (and I don't mean newbies like they don't know lw, but new to that particular forum) would come in and try and tell me AND others how the group is "supposed" to be run, yet it was "ME" and three other people who actually invented that newsgroup.

I'll do my best to keep with these new (or new to me now, I guess?) rules, but please lighten up.

I'm not that bad of a person here.......ok?............md :)
And I really don't feel the need to have to defend myself in this mannor.

P.S. Yesterday (and I know this is no excuse, but) I was rear-ended by someone and I already have a dissablility from a rear-end back in `93 that screwed up my neck, and yesterday I wasn't in all that good of a mood.

Is any of this good enough to make peace?
I still stand to my points of view, but "I'M" willing to bend a little.
Are you?

[hrgiger]

Um, not pissed at all. What did I say to make you think that? Is it just because I'm not agreeing with you? I just don't walk around with Mr. Happy Sunshine on my shoulder and I speak bluntly. Doesn't mean I'm PO'd.
I've also been using the forums for quite a long time myself and even in the old forums I would see people tell others that their thread belonged in another forum. This is nothing new.
You shouldn't be surprised if someone tells you to post your work in another forum and doesn't give any feedback to your work. I'd do the same thing. I'm more inclined to give feedback when it's the right forum.

I'd make peace but I wasn't at war to begin with. Perhaps if you thought this was some kind of war, you're the one that's pissed? And I"m not really willing to bend. I think you should post your work where it's appropriate. That's how the forum works. Newtek occasionally moves threads when they're not placed in the right forum.

Like I said MD, post your work where ever you want. Just don't be surprised when someone tells you to post it elsewhere. It's not an inuslt, they're just trying to help maintain some kind of order to the forums. Just try to play nice with others.

[mdunakin]

Ummm, neither do I :)
I mean about the happy sunshine and all.
That's "ALSO" why I speak my mind.

And I am stuburn as much as you also seem to be, where just because I'm attempting to make peace here, doesn't mean that I still don't think I'm right.
Because I do.
But, I'm willing to change a little to keep the peace if I "have" to.

I also am not inclined to bend either, when it comes to my opinions, especially if the other person isn't.

And I dissagree with your assumptions on this.
But the fact that you yourslelf mention that Newtek themselve move things to the (supposed) correct forum, pretty much proves my point, that I "WAS" posting in the correct forum, or, going from your assesment, that they would move them to the other forum then they would have already.

And they can yell at me when they want to.
This whole stupid thing is still rediculas in the first place.
I noticed that you still don't seem to care about allllllllll the tech questions that get asked in the WIP forum?
Why is that?
Does it only matter that I did this here, but other's can do it in another forum and it's, I guess OK?

Anyway, you and me both have to agree that this is for reals geting out of hand and farther off topic then this was supposed to be.
Right?

...................md :)
P.S. Still not going to bend. Just as I know you aren't :)
That's a joke, BTW.

[Mike_RB]

nice critter, I'd add some texture change to his toenails, even if they were the same skin stuff, there would be more wear and tear...

Mike

[mdunakin]

Say, I have to cut out right now, but if you want to debate this later or just comment or whatever, feel free to e me dirrectly, and I won't have no problems with that.
or, I'll be back online a bit later on tonight or maybe tomorrow.

I also feel, btw, that if these awefull things I'm doing are so wrong, then I would figure that the "actual" moderators would have already spoken to me about it, (after doing things this way for several years now) and NOT the regulars who hang out here and want to try and govern things thenselves.
NO?

...............md :)
my e address:
md@md-arts.com

[hrgiger]

I dont' know about you, but this has never been a debate for me. Post pictures of your grandmother in the Feature request forum if you want, I don't care. You have every right to do that if you want. Just so you know that others have the right to say, hey move that picture of your grandmother to the pictures I've taken of my grandmothers forum. And they shouldn't have to ask you what kind of focal length you used on the camera when you took it when they tell you to move it.
Just because a moderator hasn't moved your thread does not mean it's not misplaced. Perhaps nobody has reported it to them.

[mdunakin]

OK, well, one thing I can tell right now is, that "you" definately are the one who is getting far too uptight about this.
I've tried to make peace with you, but you don't have any intention of doing so.
I've now lost any respect for you.

Lighten up for Pete's sake.
Give it a rest already.

I give up.
And "yes" go ahead and send whatever you want to any moderator or whatever.
You're taking this far beyond any "reasonable" conversation, which makes me think you are a trol or something who just wants to fight.

Want to fight, (and I don't) I live at
4445 Marcellena rd #5
San Diego CA. 92115.
And my actual name is Mark Dunakin.
619-287-6565
I notice that you don't bother to tell your "real" name.
call me, if you have the nerve.
Sheesh, what a lame pain this turned out to be.
And as for the comment of me being arrogant, I kinda felt that way about you, acting like you are the forum police here or something.
Get real.
And sorry William.
I never in all the time I've been here, ever had to deal with this wierdness before.

Next time I get in a forum here, I guess I need to make sure that so and so is (who ever the latest judge may be?) not in charge of things, as they seem to be trying to be lately.

Llighten up.
I'm trying to make peace.
Give it a rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lighten up.!!!.......................md

[mdunakin]

OK, well, one thing I can tell right now is, that "you" definately are the one who is geting far too uptight about this.
I've tried to make peace with you, but you don't have any intention of doing so.
I've now lost any respect for you.

Lighten up for Pete's sake.
Give it a rest already.

I give up.
And "yes" go ahead and send whatever you want to any moderator or whatever.
( and no, I am not saying that you do that, but it's a comment on how you seem to be acting)
You're taking this far beyond any "reasonable" conversation, which makes me think you are a trol or something who just wants to fight.

Want to fight, (and I don't) I live at
4445 Marcellena rd #5
San Diego CA. 92115.
And my actual name is Mark Dunakin.
619-287-6565
I notice that you don't bother to tell your "real" name.
call me, if you have the nerve.
Sheesh, what a lame pain this turned out to be.
And as for the comment of me being arrogant, I kinda felt that way about you, acting like you are the forum police here or something.
Get real.
And sorry William.
I never in all the time I've been here, ever had to deal with this wierdness before.

Next time I get in a forum here, I guess I need to make sure that so and so is (who ever the latest judge may be?) not in charge of things, as they seem to be trying to be lately.

Llighten up.
I'm trying to make peace.
Give it a rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lighten up.!!!.......................md

[hrgiger]

:rolleyes:

[Rei]

both of you grow up...

*need slightly more Active modding around here

[mdunakin]

What's "modding"?
Is that supposed to be modeling?

Get real, or add something constructive to this.

Oh wait, I know, do a Tips & Tricks for us here.
Since that's what this is, right, or what I keep hearing.

Sheesh.................this place has turned into way too much complaining.

[Matt]

bloody hell guys calm down!!!!!!!!

now shake hands and be nice to each other! :)

[Rei]

Modding - short for Moderating. The sort of thing that Paul and Proton are meant to do. Such as stop threads like these from going anywhere, and things like that. I appreciate that they have jobs too, just a little more presence would be OK.

[hrgiger]

Yes, more modding. You know, watching what people post and making sure they're posting in the right fourm, that kind of simple stuff.

[mdunakin]

Exactly.
like people thinking "they" are the moderators and wasting this thread with off topic opnions.

Talk about growing up, lets see some.

I.E., post up some "good" new (on topic) thread.

[John Fornasar]

Mark,

Nice texturing, both the "horned" top and the leathery bottom. How much is modeled, and how much bump? Got time to post a wire?
In the 1b picture, at first I thought the front feet looked very thin, almost 2D painted, but in the later shots I could see they had some mass. I'd probably not change the model until I played with it in a scene with proper lighting, but if they still looked "thin", I'd beef them up a bit to meet the "expectation" of reality.

On to the battle...

both of you guys are here alot, and were active in the "old" forum also. I'd hate to see this degenerate into a long flame war. When I want to see an active fight, I can drop into the Iraq threads, or hop over to cgtalk and search for the green script-kid who thinks LW sucks and is doomed, but still uses it.

As far as moderators, NewTek sells software, and I would imagine forum moderation is an added duty. Unless something really gets out of hand, I doubt they read through every thread.

I did forum moderation on my company Intranet for about a year, but it was "extra" stuff to fit in. By the end of my sentence, I'd hop in only when it looked like it was heading towards federal lawsuit time (harassment, name-calling, etc.) It sucked.
In the end, anonymous sign-in was stopped, mainly due to less than 10 people out of 10,000.

\\babble mode off
anyhow, how about shaking hands and moving on?