Japanese Temple

[pblacklock]

Hey Guys,

looking for some C&C,


Thanks,


Paul

[NightEye]

Looks nice :)
But I think the sky is a bit uhmm... cloudy compared to the lightening ;)
So either fix the sky, or fix the lightening :)
Oh, and some fog on those mountains will do too :D

The rest (the model, and the rendering in general) looks great :D

[pblacklock]

thanks nighteye,

the real sky is a few large clouds on a bright blue sunset sky.

Can't decide if i want a sunset or a cloudy misty morning because of the mountains.

Guess with a render of a fog like you suggest that might help me make up my mind.

oh yeah if a morning shot then i'll flip the sun on the other side ;)

Thanks,
Paul

[NightEye]

Originally posted by pblacklock
Can't decide if i want a sunset or a cloudy misty morning because of the mountains. Well, I didn't really meant very misty.. Just some little fog would do.. To create the illusion the mountains are far away :)

[pblacklock]

Ah I see. i took the reference from a pic. You think it would look better if the mountains were a bit further?

just a little fog to cover the landscape in the back. sounds good i tried a few render today.

[pblacklock]

updates thanks to suggestion from people.

thanks,

Paul

[kjl]

Hey, I dig the model.

I have a few comments about the lighting.

The dynamic range of your picture is really narrow, meaning the darkest dark and the lightest light in your image are not really that far apart. If you could get a lot more contrast in your image, it would really stand out. Even if it is early morning and misty you can still get more contrast and have it read as early morning, yet get more a more interesting picture.

Another thing is you don't have a lot of shaping within your structures, meaning the lighting isn't really bringing out the 3D shape of your objects. It looks like you have a warm keylight coming from back screen right (which isn't doing much to the fronts of your objects) and a darker cool fill from the camera. Maybe you have ambient jacked up, too; I can't tell. I'd take the cool fil and raise it and move it to the right, so that you can get some light->dark shape on your round pylons on the trees and darker darks on the undersides of your objects. Also, if both your key and fill are screen right, you'll start to get darker darks on the stuff that faces left and brighter brights on the stuff that faces right. You might need a third, super, super dim light from left, or a tiny bit of ambient to keep it from going black.

Finally, I'd look at the composition of your scene. You've modeled this nice Japanese temple, but you're only showing us the front face of it. If you could work out a camera angle showing the left side, we could get some contrast between the medium front face and the black left face (sun coming from the right), or if you showed the right side, we could get some contrast between the medium front face and the bright right face. In either case, we'd get some nice, dynamic, two-point perspective, too.

Oh, another "finally": if you blue up your fog a little (make it sky-colored); it'll look more like mist and less like smoke...


That what I think, anyways... what do you think?

[pblacklock]

hey Ken,

that's terrific input, really appreciated it.

the lightning you're right, i just don't know enough to fix it but i will apply what you said and repost something soon, as for camera compostion i need it to be like that for a dvd menu shot to fit perfectly where i align my menus, i agree and i do have better composition shots where the structure really stands out. now that's its done i will post more comp shots.

this is the start frame where the camera follows inside to the dojo area when a menu button is activated and this image is 740 x 534.

BTW, textures are not complete.

thanks,
check often to help me out, i really appreciate it.

Paul

[NightEye]

That little fog really did it :)
I like it way more now :D

[treeamo]

hi pblacklock

I introduce materials.:)


The horyuji is In the oldest temple in Japan, the world heritage of the Japanese beginning
A temple is the place to deify Buddhism.
Buddhism is new religion in Japan.
http://www.horyuji.or.jp/

A shrine to deify 8000000of Japanese God
http://www.shrine.net/japan.html
The history of God deified in the shrine is very old, and has history in almost 2000.

The building which you are building is closer to the shrine than a temple.
As for the plant, a red pine, an oak, a beech, a willow and a pine are desirable.
Your image improves more when this information is used well because it can be done well.
:)

A Japanese accepts every excellent idea.
I learned Christianity in Saint adventist church in the little time.

p.s.
I feel a Chinese painting in Indian ink with this picture.
I think that there are many cases that Japan gets mixed up with China and imaged by the movie of the foreign countries.
A Japanese audience reacts to that sensitively.
:(

[pblacklock]

Thank You Treeamo,

very informative stuff, i will read those fantastic web pages, they're very useful. living in canada and not knowing much about your culture, sorry for my ignorance about the temple and shrine issue.

i will fix the plant issue today, really appreciate it, it would be great if you could send me pictures of your surroundings. i mean pictures from your area. would love to have texture reference materials for my project. i'll post a picture later today with the updates.

thanks again,
Paul

[treeamo]

Originally posted by pblacklock
Thank You Treeamo,

very informative stuff, i will read those fantastic web pages, they're very useful. living in canada and not knowing much about your culture, sorry for my ignorance about the temple and shrine issue.

i will fix the plant issue today, really appreciate it, it would be great if you could send me pictures of your surroundings. i mean pictures from your area. would love to have texture reference materials for my project. i'll post a picture later today with the updates.

thanks again,
Paul


hi pblacklock

sorry
I don't go my being disappointed to the shrine very much.
It becomes night when work was finished that I go to the shrine and the temple.
We Japanese seldom take a photograph except for the young man.

A Japanese Buddhist doesn't have a habit to go to the church like a Christian on Sunday.
A Japanese Buddhist goes to the tomb of the semiyearly ancestor.
Those are January 1 and about August 15.
It is busy with business, and a Japanese simplifies 1 opinion of the sutra, and a Japanese has the sect which he only advocates and which should train itself from the old days, too.

A Japanese is not the thing of discredit God.

One God whom a Japanese loves is in every thing.
1 they increase every time they are called God of 8000000 and they are new and a useful thing appears.
God is in LW as well. It seems to demand very severe training.:)
God seemed to be in the sub-patch as well, and a flower was shown to me.
http://treeamo.hp.infoseek.co.jp/car/sakura.jpg
http://treeamo.hp.infoseek.co.jp/car/kiku.jpg
（A flower pattern appears in that center when a polygonal polygon is engraved on the sub-patch.）

An expression is soft, and becomes interesting by using like this.
A recent young man can't seem to see God of 8000000.
A cellular phone and God of the game are possessed with the young men.:)
God of 8000000 expresses the heart of the Japanese who treasures a person and a thing.
That history has older possibility at least than 3000 years.


Instead, it thinks that you may try a web reference about the temple which it is interested in.
I have interest in the culture of America and Europe.
A person yearns for the culture which is different from itself.
Many new buildings like America stand on Hiroshima's town.:)


http://www.xfrogdownloads.com/greenwebNew/products/libJapanSubStart.htm
When it is referred to, as for the Japanese trees, it is good
I am interested in Xfrog.

The tree of the ginkgo exists in Japan and China though there is no fossil in it in North America.
There are not many many trees in the temple.
The result of the cherry tree isn't easy to be left over.

The temple link of Kyoto
http://www.kimura-product.co.jp/kiyouto/kiyouto.htm
Is it all right though there is only much Japanese?:confused:

p.s.
God of 8000000 resembles Greek gods and goddesses.
Human gods and goddesses do both good and evil.
A demon is closer to that than translating into English though it is difficult to translate into English.


It made use of God of 8000000 to protect nature and an animal.
God of 8000000 is expressed in the animated movie "princess mononoke" of "hayao miyazai" as well.
Does as for him, science regret that God was killed?


and 1 tip

The roof of the temple of China and Korea has arch structure.
The roof of the Japanese temple is like a straight line.

[pblacklock]

closer shot update of shrine

let me know what you think,


Paul

[treeamo]

Good work

There is a style which is peculiar to the Japanese garden and the tree.

i tried to collect links.

http://www25.tok2.com/home/sakuda/02japan/04kinki/kinki.html
http://www.sight-seeing-japan.com/area/atoji.html
http://cscns.csc.gifu.gifu.jp/virtual_museum/database/page/H11-PCD3045-044.html

As for the key word
niwa ,ishi, ueki , karesannsui, zen ,bonnsai,sadou,zen
tera,zinnzya,tukiyama

Your temple looks a　like in Itsukushima shrine in Miyajima.

[kjl]

Nice! Seeing that second side really helps things a lot, and I like the fact that you left that side dark. I think it looks great.



I would only suggest two things... 1) Your non-shadowed fill light is making things a little glowy (like the white, uh... stucco(?) front face just under the roof looks overilluminated as you'd expect the roof to be blocking most of that light). You could either put a really blurry shadowmap type shadow on the fill light, or replace the fill light with a super gigantic area light to get some nice gradations of light on that front face. And 2) The dark side is nice and dark, but it might be too dark - there would be some illumination coming from the sky dome over there - you could put another fill light over there but keep it super subtle, or if you turn your current fill light into a giant area light, you might get enough light leaking onto that side... You just want to pull it out of "Black" and into "believable that at least a little sky light is hitting it".

[sKb875]

The model and renders look really good.. The only thing that I can find wrong with it, is not with the model, but with the sky....You might want to make it a lighter, because it looks like it's about to rain. :)

[MacDoggie]

Your last post showed a big improvement with the addition of fog to soften up the mountains, the change in the sterile camera angle and your lighting. Which does point to the cruciality of good Lighting.

Try some depth of field. Looks like you are off to a good start. Keep up the good work.

[pblacklock]

another update,

tweaking phase driving me nuts ;)


Paul

[Rory_L]

As Treeamo hinted you need some artfully placed rocks near the temple. You know the type: moss covered rocks, in a sea of raked gravel.

Might want to bring back the fog a bit. Your latest tweak flattened the perspective a bit too much. The temple wants to stand away from the mountains a touch more.

Nearly there, eh!

R

[riki]

sweet work, love it. All you need is a coffee machine

[pblacklock]

you're right, watched last night Anger Management and when they visit the monastery, they had some great shots.

i'll pick it up today and rework the landscape as the focus too, silly me i forgot to lower the focus settings.

thanks guys,

much appreciated.

[pblacklock]

added new stuff for the lanscape and modified lightning and textures from tips for musers.

thanks,
Paul

[Rory_L]

:D

[treeamo]

Good Work

Your building is close to the style of old Heian Period Japan God and noble's palace.
That is the archetype of the temple, too.


This is close to "ZinnZya" that old God of not a temple to deify Buddhism but Japan is deified.

A Japanese noble was living in such a palace, too.
itukushima I had setonaikai put up on ZinZya as a garden.

Your image makes me think of a previous Japanese scene for more than 1500 years.

Good Work