Sub-projects in ddr?

[Keith Gandy]

http://www.newtek.com/products/videotoaster/tutorials/sub-ddr/

http://www.newtek.com/products/videotoaster/tutorials/motion-cg/index.html

The tutorials from the website state that you can sub-project clips and overlays that will run within the ddr. Anything that I pull up in the ddr shows a red exclamation point. Nothing runs as stated. Has the ability to run project / sub-project within the ddr been disabled within the 3890 build? :confused:

Or am I simply missing something?

[SBowie]

It's still working in the latest version - I just did this yesterday ... not sure what your problem with it might be caused by, sorry.

[Keith Gandy]

Steve,

Are you using 2881 build? I used that one and had great success. Then I went to a 3352 build (yes, a build, not just a patch - it was supplied to my by Newtek Europe) and then since then I have not been able to use the project in a ddr. So, I'm just wanting to check my suspicions.

I have completely cleaned and reinstalled the system a couple of times in the past few days and still no luck. Since my 2881 build was scratched I can no longer reload it - no way to check that out again.

[SBowie]

Originally posted by Keith Gandy
Steve,

Are you using 2881 build? Heck no, 2881 is the original release version from December 2001. I'm running 3890, which you can download as a free upgrade. As I'm sure you know, like all other patches, though, the downloadable 3890 patch has to be added over top of a release version to work, not a beta. So you may need to come up with a working disk of any version to proceed.

[Keith Gandy]

Steve, let me try again. Yes, I am also running the 3890. That is only a patch. You have to install that over a build. Which build are you using? The build 3352 that I am using does not give me the project/subproject support - even when 3890 is installed.

[Jim Capillo]

Sounds like you might have some leftover files. I haven't read the whole thread, but if you haven't tried it already. you might do a registry clean.

I think Blaine had comprehensive instructions on his web site.
http://www.videohardware.com

[Scott Bates]

FWIW Keith, I always use VTB2881 as my "base" install when I need to reinstall from scratch. No particular reason except that I know it's a solid foundation to patch over.

[Keith Gandy]

I have tried the clean install, to the best of my ability. Went into regedit and deleted everything.

I have come up with something very interesting. When I reinstall the 3352 as base, then the 3718 the projects/subprojects load and run properly! Then any subsequent installation (38xx or 3980) - no go! Go figure! Huh? I don't get it.

Once again I will work with the regedit to see if there is something that can be explained, but so far I am thinking that it lies with the 3352 base install. Since I don't have access to my 2881 - it got scratched - I am forced to use the 3352.

[Faraz]

I hope that you only delated the files that need to be deleted and are specified. If you delete other files, you could have MAJOR problems.

[Keith Gandy]

Ok, I think I have it narrowed down to a bug in programming, when using the 3352 base install. After reinstalling the 3980 I still could not get a project/subproject to load and run. Then I tried the following.

From the file bin I drag a project or subproject onto the "add" button on the ddr and the file will load - but it opens all the components of the project/subproject. That is not what I was looking for. So I drag two projects/subproject from the file bin onto the "add" button and - you got it - both load properly and play exactly as expected!

Here is the next problem - if I want to load the next project/subproject it clears out what is already in the list. So I open a second ddr and drag the desired projects/subprojects (has to be dual or else the project is opened in its entirety) onto the "add" button of the second ddr. They are both listed properly (albiet with a red asterisk). From this second ddr I can drag each project/subproject to the first ddr and into the list. Everything plays properly now.

This can't be the way it is supposed to work. That has to be a bug - someone please kill it. I assume, once again, that it mainly comes from the fact that I am using a 3352 base and not the 2881 like everyone else.

Here are the rest of the stats: Supermicro P4DCE+, Dual Pentium 4 1,7 - 1gig RDRAM - 39160 scsi card. VTB3352, VTP3718, VTP3980.

[SBowie]

Originally posted by Keith Gandy Steve, let me try again. Yes, I am also running the 3890. That is only a patch. You have to install that over a build. Which build are you using? The build 3352 that I am using does not give me the project/subproject support - even when 3890 is installed. Heh - text is fun, right? Sorry, when you said you were using 2881, I asumed you were ... oh, never mind.

Anyway, of course I'm aware that (except for new shipments and XP users) 3890 is a patch. To answer your question, I have installed 3890 over a full 3866 CD installation, though in the past I often did it over 2881 just like you.

I can confirm your comment about it not working correctly from the Add requester, though I hadn't noticed it before. I'll report it as a bug on the beta list, if it hasn't been already.

[Keith Gandy]

Thanx, Steve. I thought that I was the only one having this problem. The 3718 has served me well, but I want to use the nudge function of the latest build. Bummer that it doesn't have all the functions of both versions.

Undoubtedly there won't be any more updates without going the full paying update for the VT3 - and I don't know that it will even be addressed in that version.

Thanks, once again, for checking the (lack of) function for me.

Answer one more thing for me if you would, Steve. If you are unable to add projects/subprojects via "add" in the ddr, how are you loading them so that they function?

[SBowie]

Originally posted by Keith Gandy

Thanx, Steve. I thought that I was the only one having this problem. I'm glad you pointed it out, Keith. I reported it, and before doing so checked to see that it wasn't already on the bug list - it wasn't.Originally posted by Keith Gandy
The 3718 has served me well... I never used 3718 because it had one bug that I felt was problematic enough that it meant I couldn't recommend it for my clients use. (I'm a dealer)Originally posted by Keith Gandy
Answer one more thing for me if you would, Steve. If you are unable to add projects/subprojects via "add" in the ddr, how are you loading them so that they function? As you pointed out, it does work if you drop them from a filebin directly on the Add button in the DDR skin. Also (curiously) you can drag them directly out of the TEd project window, but that has the unwanted effect of removing them from the Project ... still, it's a workaround.

[Keith Gandy]

And what does the red exclamation point in the loaded project/subproject symbolize? I've never understood what that is supposed to mean to a clip.

[SBowie]

That's a "bang" -- when it shows up on a sub-p in my DDR, it doesn't play. You'll see these elsewhere in the interface as 'advisories' to something or other, like the ones that indicate you've stretched a clip beyond it's normal boundary and the last frame will be held for the duration. In this instance, I'd guess it's an error condition of some sort.

[Keith Gandy]

If I import the projects/subprojects (must be at least two or else the single project/subproject will open all the contained clips) via the "add" button in the ddr, then I get the red arrow and the time shows 00:00. If I drag from the file bin via the "add" button to a second ddr and from that to my target ddr, then it shows the length of the projects/subprojects, but with the red asterisk. And yet it will still play. So, there are a few lines that will need tweaked on that code.

[SBowie]

Originally posted by Keith Gandy
If I import the projects/subprojects (must be at least two or else the single project/subproject will open all the contained clips) via the "add" button in the ddr, then I get the red arrow and the time shows 00:00. If I drag from the file bin via the "add" button to a second ddr and from that to my target ddr, then it shows the length of the projects/subprojects, but with the red asterisk. And yet it will still play. So, there are a few lines that will need tweaked on that code. Clearly this is messed up, though I am not getting the "auto-expand" of the sub-p that you are.... it just shows as a single entry in the DDR lister.

I get the bang if I use the Add button in it's normal fashion, but the clip is only 1 frame long in the DDR. If I drag it's out-point to the full length of the sub-p, it plays, but this procedure is fraught with risk ... crashes frequently during the trimming. After re-starting, it plays and the bang is gone, but trimming again will crash the Toaster.

If I drop the sub-p file on the Add button in the skin, it works as it should -- but trimming in the DDR is still 'crashy.' This is not the case with single RTV files loaded in the normal fashion.

[Keith Gandy]

Thanks for all the assistance. Now I feel like I know what is going on with the program. This was especially frustrating after the fact that the tutorials on the Newtek site indicate that loading a project/subproject into the ddr should be standard. Wish it were so.