No one knows The Truth ???

[khalid]

Please Try to join in this Debate That No one Has A proper answer for!!! And Please try not to repeat what was suggested Before.... It gets Boring When People Just Go wild With How Creativity Is the Main Way out of Slow Preference!!! I hope THat Some one Here Knows The Truth, Does Dot Have Other Excuses For Slow!!As all Do........ :)
http://vbulletin.newtek.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12255

[js33]

To add to what I said on the Mac forum.
If you want speed with LW a fast PC with a good OpenGL card (nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4200 or above) is hard to beat.

Keep in mind the G5 is nice as well but they kind of missed the boat on good graphic card support. Hopefully this will change soon. Also have a look at the Athlon 64 FX or the Opteron if you want dual operation. These are both 64 bit chips and will have more room to grow than the highest end P4 at this time.

Intel is rumored to be coming out with a 64 bit Pentium in January of 2004 but it's still speculation at this point whether or not Prescott will in fact be 64 bit.

So if you are getting ready to buy a new machine I would wait at least until January to see what Intel comes out with. Otherwise your choice is either Apple G5, Athlon 64/FX 64 or Opteron (also an AMD chip meant for servers but used in desktops also) for a 64 bit machine. Of course 64 bits is still emerging. Windows XP 64 bit won't be ready until Q1 2004 and OSX won't be fully 64 bit for awhile but allows use of some 64 bit features now.

Since the 64 bit market is so new on the desktop it will be awhile before it starts to mature.

If you are looking for speed at the cheapest cost then gather up 5 or 6 cheap PCs with 3Ghz Hyper-Threading Pentium 4s and go to town while we wait for the 64 bit market to come of age. :D

Cheers,
JS

[satya]

Obituaries:

A long time ago .................................................. .............

There was a giant called SGI which established standards - XWindows (Motif) & OpenGL - to name the most important. They re-defined graphics and video processing on the computer. They were the reason for the Flames, Smokes, Houdinis of this world. They re-defined creativity.

Sad ... .... ... that nobody flocks to them now ... .... ...

There was a giant called Amiga which established astonishing standards - extraordinary processing power - to name the most important. They re-defined graphics, audio and video processing for the ordinary user on a home computer. They were the reason for the Video Toasters, Lightwaves, TV Paints, Kiki Stockhammers, Flyers of this world.

Sad ... .... ... that nobody believes that it will be revived ... .... ...

A short while from now .................................................. ..

There was a giant called Apple which established ...

Sad ...

There was a giant called Sun which established .. Java ...

Sad ...


There was a giant called Microsoft which .............................

Sad ... .... ... linux ... ... .... ... .. . . .. .. .. ..


Khalid - cars don't drive - drivers do! Machines do not make software; software must do! Whether G5 or Sparc or Intel or IBM or HP or AMD - it doesn't matter - software must make it happen. Also, the number of buyers who want a specific combination.

I am not willing to invest money on an Apple G5 and LW3D if I get reasonably good performance from a PC at half of the cost. If I need to spend money on "creativity", I will opt for the 3D Labs Wikdcat 4 display card. If I need to spend money on "64-bit", I will go and buy a SGI Octane2! Just hope, that I get LW3D on Octane2.

So, it is all in the perspective - your perspective or mine!

And how many people want it like you do or I do ...

If you have a million dollars (US) to throw away, I bet Newtek will oblige you with a G5 64-bit specific ...

Satya

[khalid]

Hello satya,
Actually NewTek did not have any proper answer for me, I don't really blame them if the manufacturers did not have the answer! Thanks for you opinion on this subject. I am A Mac user willing to switch to PC if I feel that it will preform better then my Mac....

I know that the Car Needs a Good Driver to win, But again if it Had better Wheels Better Gear Shifter, A Higher performance engine, Spoilers for aerodynamics, That will give you more Chance to win the race.
Satya, I don't have many People in this part of the world that have answers that I need, because not much People do what I do, So I hoped to find people on this forum that know more about how to Make LW handle the best way with it's hardware, Unfortunate most of the answers were leading me out of my need, People were more interested in explaining how to drive LW the proper way, & I did not need any guidance in LWs setup, My problem is only hardware, even the Amiga or the SGI were an option, But we don't have support over here!
If you think you can help introduce me to a PC that you think will drive better then the G5, Assembled or Branded, Feel free to mack me details of that setup, Like what is the best card, best processor, single or duel,how much ram, & go on with what ever you feel will help in the Machine performance..
I hope you have the solution for my problem..
Thank for the help :)

[satya]

OK! Here are some suggestions:

Keep Paint (or Graphics), video editing (and Compositing) and 3D in different perspectives. Though Compositing is also acquiring openGL drivers - I will still keep it in a separate bin because the rendering involved is not as sophisticated as 3D.

3D is the most demanding in terms of geometry acceleration - T&L, texture mapping, volumetric - the more the hardware is capable of executing, the faster will LW3D scenes render.

Video editing (and Compositing) demand faster video processing - multiple video data streams and frame buffers, dedicated DVE hardware, hardware color correctors and chroma keyers - the more the hardware is capable of executing, the faster the video production (or compositing) will be.

For Paint or Graphics, any good video card will suffice. Apple has always been excellent at paint and graphics.

It will be difficult for you to get advanced 3D accelerators for the G5. The best would be a ATI Radeon 9800 in a dual G5 configuration.

For the PC, there are several options and range from moderate to very expensive. I am a serious hobbyist and I built my own system - Intel P4 3.06 GHz/Intel 850EMVRL 533MHz FSB motherboard/512MB PC1066 RDRAM, Wildcat VP870, Santacruz sound card, Promise Fastrak 100, Matrox RT.X100. I will probaly increase my RAM to either 1GB or 1.5GB. Total cost came to around $2500.

Here are some better systems:

Dell Precision 650 Workstation - $4600 (Dual Xeon 3.06GHz, 1GB, Quadro FX500)

Poly DV2020A - $5500 (Dual AMD Opteron, 2GB, Quadro FX 1000)

Again, remember sky is the limit for configuring your system. And Lightwave does take full advantage of multiple CPUs, display hardware capabilities and the openGL drivers. Lightwave seldom interacts with a system at the basic hardware level (chip level)! It is how the manufacturers put together these drivers that will finally matter.

And why do I recommend a PC? I have three systems at home. If I need to (say) get a new graphics accelerator I go buy it and then what do I with my VP870 - I pass it on to my daughter who has a GeForce 3 graphics card. What do I do with this GeForce card? I upgrade my son's computer that has a really ancient 16-bit card.

So I don't waste my resources and I can keep using them for a number of years. No sweat ...

Can I do this with an Apple? I doubt it ...

Satya

[satya]

Sorry, I thought up a couple of more ideas:

If you are looking at video editing or compositing (or paint/graphics), G5 is way out cool - you do get very high end cards for these - Targa 3000, Blackmagic's DeckLink and maybe more ... Go the Apple way ... Price to performance they are far better than the PC hardware. Unfortunately, you will be stuck in a sort of groove!!!!

The Targa and DeckLink are excellent cards but NOT 3D accelerators. I couldn't find a single high-end accelerator for the G5.

Satya

[Darttman]

From all the boxes i have built I have learned one thing: The more you try yo do with one box the more problems you will have.

My souloution: I have and amd dual proc box for LW with a wildcat card in it and 2gig of ram.

video editing: a mac g4 with media 100 and final cut pro

games:a shuttle mini cube with a radeon 9800 pro and a p4

all problems solved!


Boxx technologies makes nice works stations render boxes and editing boxes look em up

[khalid]

Thanks Guys, You've help me A lot
Darttman Have you tried the Boxx technologies 3d station?? I s it worth the money?? Some people tell me, why not assemble a PC my self, But I don't want to put something together, I would rather have a manufacturer Do that for me. This is the first time for me to even think about the PC. Would you recommend this one as a stable Unit..Do you know if the WildCat card better then the top of the line Graphic Card on the Boxx? I think it was built By INVIDIA.


I hope you know the answers & thanks :D

[novadesigns]

For PCs I will always recommend building it yourself.


Reason 1: Price! You just cannot beat saving literally thousands of dollars over what Dell, Compaq and others charge for their boxes. I recently built a very sweet 2.8Ghz (OC'ed to 3.3GHz) machine with an ASUS P4P800 Deluxe mobo, 1.5GB of PC3200 RAM, 300GB of serial ATA storage, and a GF FX 5600 Pro/256Mb video card for around $1,200!!! It smokes my Dell dual 2.2GHz Xeon machines at work, and those are $6,000 a piece!:eek:

Reason 2: Experience! I firmly believe that 3d artists are always on the cutting edge of tech and its important for all computer users to understand their hardware. You will save a lot of money on service calls and screwed up hardware if you take a little time and learn how your hardware and software work. You will quickly learn that extended warrantys are a waste of money!
The less you understand about PCs and windows the more companies can take advanatge of that to relieve you of your hard earned cash. And trust me, they will!!!!

Reason 3: Customization! A homebuilt PC, can be tailored to exactly your needs without any additional cost or delays. You can get the exact mobo, ram, CPU, video card, HDs, audio,... whatever. Without extra hidden charges, limited choices, or companies that just plain don't get your needs!

Reason 4: Longevity! A carefully thought out machine can be a very inexpensive one to upgrade over time. I'm able to reuse a lot of componenets like HDs, cases, soundcards, video cards, etc... and my upgrade costs drop dramatically.
For example, I can buy, say, a mobo that is beyond what I need and save on a slightly more cost effective processor at that point. Then buy a faster processor later that is still supported by my mobo... and no warranty worries. :)

Reason 5 Its Fun!!! Really I have enjoyed tinkering together my machines. It doesn't take a lot of fime and I have a great feeling of pride having a kickbutt, fastashell machine that I made myself for thousands less!


And don't let some company tell you that they can build you a faster machine by specially matching components, working some secret mojo... blah blah blah. That's crap! PCs are a commodity. While there are things you have to learn about matching components, it does NOT take a computer science degree to learn them. And there are no secrets, you'll be surprised that, with a little reading around the web and some common sense, you can end up knowing MORE than the sales geeks at your favorite PC maker!

I have built 3 PCs for myself and 5 for my friends and every single one is still running rock solid and well to this day. :) I think that the most expensive one was only about $1,650 and that included everything... printer, scanner, wireless LAN... etc.

So, get in there and get your hands dirty! :)

[renderingfarmer]

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

Okay sorry, I didn't actually read the thread yet. Be back later.