What do you think of this configuration for SE2 [Archive]

Rich Deustachio

03-09-2010, 10:05 PM

# CD: Pioneer BDR-205 (Black Color) 12X Blu-Ray Writer Drive

# CAS: CoolerMaster Elite 310 Mid-Tower Case with See-Thru Side Panel (Blue Color)

# CASUPGRADE: 12in (Blue Color) Cold Cathode Neon Light

# CS_FAN: Maximum Enemax 120MM Case Cooling Fans for selected case (Maximum Silent Operation) (1,000 RPM Black Color with No LED Enlobal Magnetic Barometric Bearing 17 dBA)

# CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-930 2.80 GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA1366

# CARE1: Professional Wiring for All WIRING Inside The System Chassis - Minimize Cable Exposure, Maximize Airflow in Your System

# FAN: Asetek LCLC 120 Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Extreme Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA)

# FLASHMEDIA: INTERNAL 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer (BLACK COLOR)

# HDD: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)

# HDD2: Extreme Performance (RAID-0) with 2 Identical Hard Drives (600GB (300GBx2) Gaming Western Digital VelociRaptor 10,000RPM SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache WD3000GLFS

# KEYBOARD: Xtreme Gear (Black Color) Multimedia/Internet USB Keyboard

# MOUSE: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse

# MULTIVIEW: Non-SLI/Non-CrossFireX Mode Supports Multiple Monitors

# MOTHERBOARD: [CrossFireX/SLI] Asus P6TD Deluxe Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFireX Support DDR3 LGA1366 ATX w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB2.0, SATA-II, RAID, 3 Gen2 PCIe, 1 PCIe X1, & 2 PCI

# MEMORY: 6GB (2GBx3) DDR3/1600MHz Triple Channel Memory Module (Corsair or Major Brand)

# NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network

# OS: Microsoft® Windows® 7 Professional (64-bit Edition)

# POWERSUPPLY: 950 Watts Power Supplies (CyberPowerPC Power Supply)

# SOFT1: Free 60 Days Microsoft® Office® 2007 (Words, Excel, Access, Power Point, Outlook + More) - Microsoft Windows OS Required

# SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT

# SPEAKERS: Logitech Z313 2.1 DT speaker

# SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO

# USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports

# VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 1GB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)

Tony R

03-10-2010, 08:08 AM

I didnt get SE 2.0 yet so I do not know for sure how it will run but it should be more than adequate. I want to hear how well AVCHD will play and edit on this system.

I built a very similar machine about 15 months ago only I had 4 x 7500 RPM 1TB raid and this one has 2 x 10,000 RPM 600MB. I paid about $1900 for it back then (without the monitors) so it should be considerably cheaper now.

radams

03-10-2010, 08:43 AM

Hi Rich,

Well after looking at all of your system specs...I can tell that you are planning on overclocking...with liquid cooling, etc.

Have you done liquid cooling before?

As for the Asus Motherboard...

I would recommend looking at one of their newer models...that now support more SATA (now 6 gig/sec) and have USB 3 on them.

What are you planning to do with this system...are you just doing SE and post or are you also going to be using an older VT system on it as well?

I would strongly recommend going with the Nvidia 285 instead of the 250...and Nvidia is soon to release their latest GPU at the end of the month...so I would even look at going with that or at least the 285 should drop in price...also get one with as much memory/cuda cores as possible for your $.

I would suggest setting up at least one 4 disk raid internally or more.

Also I would strongly suggest adding a NAS (Networked Attached Storage) for offline and backup storage...I like Synology with 4 or more drives in a raid 5.

Good luck :)

Cheers,

Tony R

03-10-2010, 09:36 AM

Hey Ray

I have the Asus PT6 Deluxe and can put up to 6 sata drives. One is my OS, one is the DVD-RW and the other 4 are 1TB drives in a raid. I like to have a content drive (sound effects, soundtrack, etc). Do you suggest putting that stuff permantly on the Raid drive or should I sacrifice one of the drives and use a 3 drive raid.

Soth

03-10-2010, 09:55 AM

Separate drive for windows, why you have not set up 5 drives as RAID5?

Quiet1onTheSet

03-10-2010, 10:32 AM

Separate drive for windows, why you have not set up 5 drives as RAID5?

Apparently, one of the SATA ports is utilized for the System drive, and another, for the optical drive, Soth. I've got a similar setup, inasmuch as the installed model of DVD/RW drive must be connected via SATA.

Q1

Tony R

03-10-2010, 10:34 AM

I do not want raid 5. It will slow things down. Raid 0 is the way to go for me. I would never put Windows on the same raid as the data.

Quiet1onTheSet

03-10-2010, 10:55 AM

I do not want raid 5. It will slow things down. Raid 0 is the way to go for me. I would never put Windows on the same raid as the data.

:dito:
I've enjoyed RAID-0 only for quite sometime - so long as I have some backup system in place, and Defragment from time to time, I've had no worries.

Rich Deustachio

03-10-2010, 11:21 AM

Hi Rich,

Well after looking at all of your system specs...I can tell that you are planning on overclocking...with liquid cooling, etc.

Have you done liquid cooling before?

The system would be coming assembled already. It costs around the same to buy it that way compared to buying parts and putting it together myself.
I only will be overclocking it about 10%. I have not had a liquid cooled system before.

As for the Asus Motherboard...

I would recommend looking at one of their newer models...that now support more SATA (now 6 gig/sec) and have USB 3 on them.

What are you planning to do with this system...are you just doing SE and post or are you also going to be using an older VT system on it as well?

I was planning on installing both SE2 and VT5.3 so the MB must have a PCI slot. I just use it for post but need the use of the breakout box because believe it or not I still get clients with VHS and 8mm raw footage to edit.

I would strongly recommend going with the Nvidia 285 instead of the 250...and Nvidia is soon to release their latest GPU at the end of the month...so I would even look at going with that or at least the 285 should drop in price...also get one with as much memory/cuda cores as possible for your $.

Thanks for that input, I didn't know which video card to go with, I will take your advice on that.

I would suggest setting up at least one 4 disk raid internally or more.

Also I would strongly suggest adding a NAS (Networked Attached Storage) for offline and backup storage...I like Synology with 4 or more drives in a raid 5.

Good luck :)

Cheers,

I do have an external drive for backing up work, but down the road I will need to upgrade to a larger one.

Thanks for your input!

Rich Deustachio

03-10-2010, 11:23 AM

I do not want raid 5. It will slow things down. Raid 0 is the way to go for me. I would never put Windows on the same raid as the data.

Yes, I am planning on putting W7 and the programs on the one drive and use the two raid 0 for video and audio content.

radams

03-10-2010, 09:55 PM

I would recommend pulling the DVD drive from the SATA connection...and making it an external either ESATA...or USB...and then put all your applications on a seperate drive from your OS...so with 6 SATA connections I would have

1) OS
2) Applications
3-6) Raid 0

Now with one of the systems I have I also have an additional 2 drive raid with SAS...along with adding an additional SATA card to allow for 4 - 8 additional raid set...

I also have a synology external NAS unit with 4 terrabytes raid 5 for offline and backups.

I plan on adding at least two more synology units...and later a SAN unit to work between multiple workstations.

My system drive is a solid state drive...and I have also added a solid state raid on my PCIe that is direct to the bus for temp/swap files. I would still recommend looking at one of the newer ASUS motherboards that has SATA 6 g/s standard and USB 3 on it...this is where everything is going anyways...why not get it now.

Now these items can push data.

Good luck all,

Cheers,

Tony R

03-10-2010, 10:35 PM

Wow Ray. You got some hairy system there. I just bought my Asus PT6 Deluxe last year so I am not into buy everything new again at this point. It does have 2 SAS ports though. They seem to run about $150 for a 500GB drive. I think I will pull the DVD-RW out and connect it externally. That would give me a content drive. Now, I would love to have one more drive for exporting the timeline out to. I hate to write to a drive that is being used on the timeline.

Do you think it's best to do this?

Drive 1 OS
Drive 2 Content
Drive 3,4,5,6 RAID

OR, is this better?

Drive 1 OS
Drive 2 Rendered file drive
Drive 3,4,5,6 RAID (with audio, pics, backgrounds content on it)

radams

03-10-2010, 11:02 PM

Hi Tony,

as for the MB...Since Rich is just getting a new one...why not go with one that supports the latest standards..ie Sata 6 g/s and USB 3. These boards are also setup to deal with the 6+ core chips etc...in the near future.

As for internal Hard Drives...it really depends on what you plan to edit and post with. SD, HD Film or other resolutions.

For me I'm a bit old school...

I like:

1) OS drive..(or a dual raid 0 or Solid State) dedicated only to the OS.
2) Application drive (misc as well)
3-6) a raid 0 set for video, audio, etc...now for some use this also for your scratch disk or temp drive...

I prefer to seperate the scratch disk and temp drive to another raid 0 or now a Solid state raid...so that you have the max throughput possible so you wait less.

Then ontop of all of this I also like to have library (off line storage, and backup storage) for this I may setup another drive(s) on a card...or through a NAS/SAN.

I know that I use more drives than most...but you max the throughputs...isolate operations and processes...

With what you are wanting to do...I would suggest adding SATA drives onto your SAS...yes you can do that too...then save off your timelines there...

My SAS is for additional library storage. Cause I can't use the raid to boot from...with using a SATA raid as well.

Hope that helps :)

Cheers,

radams

03-10-2010, 11:12 PM

One last comment Rich,

If I were you...I wouldn't go with liquid cooling...it is great...but the upkeep and the hassles that go with it...and you are only wanting to get 10% more from the CPU...

I would then recommend going with a i7 960 and add a thermalright heatsink and fan system...and unless you are really ready to tweek...I would keep it stock till you get everything working right...then slowly tweei the system...remember that when you tweek you run the risks of having bug issues...besides frying something if you are not careful :)

That is what I did after looking at overclocking a 920...I went with the 960 and untill I'm comfortable with the system, applicaitons and workflows...it will stay stock...then I have a foundation to know if issues pop up.

Cheers,

Rich Deustachio

03-11-2010, 12:09 AM

Ray, thank you for all of your input and suggestion. In a perfect world I would have the best of everything but having a budget to deal with I have to try and prioritize what I can and cannot afford.

What is the latest ASUS MB model you would recommend? Does that MB allow me to install the VT5 card? The company that will be building the system is Cyber Power Inc and on the list of MB the best one they showed was the one I picked. I will have to call them and ask if they have the latest ASUS MB if you could tell me the model number I would appreciate it. Would it be the P6X58D Premium?

I will take your advice on the liquid cooler as well but probably can;t afford to go with the 960.

I will also down the road add an additional drive just for content, maybe I will move the 500 gig drive to that location and add a Solid State drive for the OS at that time.

radams

03-11-2010, 11:40 AM

Hi Rich,

Here is the ASUS MB

http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=wurRaDZ8lo4Ckukj&templete=2

Yes it should be able to work with a VT 5.3.

Then for the CPU cooling, I would recommend
http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_page/product_page/cpu/u120ex-1366rt/product_cpu_cooler_1366rt_revc.html

With a limited budget at this time I would NOT recommend using Solid State Drives...they cost too much per gig.

A better choice is using a fast drive with NCQ...Western Digital Black drives are good.

Good luck,

Cheers,

Soth

03-12-2010, 12:35 AM

Apparently, one of the SATA ports is utilized for the System drive, and another, for the optical drive, Soth. I've got a similar setup, inasmuch as the installed model of DVD/RW drive must be connected via SATA.

If you have decent RAID controller you should be able to set up raid in BIOS, then install windows on it. CD/DVD/BlueRay drive will be ignored by controller.

I called HP and they said that SATA DVD will not even slow down RAID.

Next week I am moving Windows to 4 disc SAS RAID0, keep fingers crossed.

REgarding my RAID5 setup, I have 4 discs and everything works much faster and is (theoretically) safe to drive hardware failure. ;)

Soth

03-12-2010, 12:39 AM

I do not want raid 5. It will slow things down. Raid 0 is the way to go for me.
RAID5 with more than 2 discs will be faster and more safe than one disc and much safer than RAID0 (and not so much slower if you will put4+ disc in the setup). Will save you work and time on doing backups as well.

I have RAID5 and as much as I am having backups I am not doing them very often. Just need to remember when working to do good file versioning (to not broke files by yourself ;) )

I would never put Windows on the same raid as the data.
Why?

Tony R

03-12-2010, 08:00 AM

Why wouldn't I put Windows on my data Raid drives? Because if windows crashes, I'm dead. along with all of the data. If my windows drive crashes now, who cares? I install again, data unaffected. Also, I do not want Windows swap files, temp files, etc all going on on the same drive as the data. It's best to seperate them.

HarveyD

03-12-2010, 11:42 AM

Soth

03-12-2010, 09:58 PM

Why wouldn't I put Windows on my data Raid drives? Because if windows crashes, I'm dead. along with all of the data.
Why is that? Of course not!*

If my windows drive crashes now, who cares? I install again, data unaffected. Also, I do not want Windows swap files, temp files, etc all going on on the same drive as the data. It's best to seperate them.
Just make two partitions, 100GB for windows and rest for everything else - as long as swap file is on RAID drive you ar gaining preformance not loosing it. You loosing performance by not using one drive in RAID setup. Why Windows tmp files should be on different drive and how to do it - I do not know. :)

* - I am building computers for myself, friends and companies that I work for for more than 10 years. I am installing windows (many) times per year, as long as you do not use software RAID you are (more than) fine.

EDIT: If you have backup of the windows if it crashes you are back to work in 15 minutes. ;)

Strtange, gennerally I do not agree with so much stuff said here, let's talk more. If I am wrong I will benefit but it might be that you guys will (now I think that more likely you will). ;)

radams

03-12-2010, 11:49 PM

Hi Tomek,

I agree with most of what you are saying...a hardware (not software) raid with all the drives into one array is also a way to go...

I have just found for me isolating processes to specific drives or raid sets allows for generally higher throughput and a raid 0 for the production side has more throughput than a raid 5...just at the cost of safety and restoring.

I too have put together a few systems and networks over my time :)

Cheers,

radams

03-12-2010, 11:59 PM

Hi Ray
With money beening no object what motherboard and cpus would u recommend?
I’m rumming Vt5 with sx-84, Speed edit with a Decklink Multibridge Pro,
Still using sci drives, want to edit full 1920 x 1080. Your recommendation would be appreciated .

Harvey

Hi Harvey,

To be able to run your VT5.3 you will need a standard PCI slot...
So my original MB suggestion will still stand

http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=wurRaDZ8lo4Ckukj&templete=2

If you plan on not using the VT in this new system...then I would recommend the P6T7 super computer...(I using that MB)..

As for CPUs, as far as cost per performance...I would recommend the middle i7...but if you've got the cash then go all the way...note: there is supposed to be a 6+ core coming soon.

Also the Nvidia Fermi GPU will be out at the end of the month.

To be very honest though...I would be looking to trade the VT in for a tricaster...for the live production side...then setup your new system for post production...or to feed a tricaster.

Good luck,

Soth

03-13-2010, 04:59 AM

Ray, thx for post, you guys might be intrested in Samsung drivers, I think that will be my next (SATA) ones, I am kinda out of space on my current setup. :)
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2009/10/06/samsung-spinpoint-f3-1tb-review/1

csandy

03-15-2010, 02:55 PM

Personally, I'm waiting for the TCHD4000 to be introduced at NBA.:devil:

I've never really bothered to have separate array for the OS and separate array for the media - except on my old iFinish system. But that was a high-end workstation box with several different SCSI paths and an external array.

As you can see from the TriCaster setup, you can do SD on a single drive with little effort.

I have two low-end Barracudas striped in a RAID 0 controlled by an intel ICH10R. Seems to work well. I'm had smooth performance with most cameras HD footage.

BUT

The footage off of a Canon 7D plays choppy. It's not my footage, so I'm not sure if it is raw or went through Cineform Neo, but it's the only thing I've encountered that tripped up so far. My CPU is a paltry Q6600. I purchsed an i7 920 because the price is lovely, but returned it because it is overkill for me right now, as I just my box primarily live because I have to output to tape and SE has lingering Firewire issues.

cholo

03-16-2010, 04:41 PM

FWIW, I built an i7 860 system for myself with a big heatsink (vigor monsoon III LT) to overclock and I really recommend this combo. I know many are going to argue that the socket 1366 i7's have triple channel ram vs dual channel in the socket 1156, but from what I've read, it makes no difference for almost any apps (Tomshardware has a few benchmarks), but the difference in turbo multiplier helps the socket 1156 stand out. I'm overclocking my system from a base clock of 133 to 166 keeping turboboost enabled, which translates to a turboboost speed single core speed (which is where speedEDIT 2 seems to live most of the time) of around 4.3 Ghz. Not bad for an upgrade that cost less that a thousand bucks ;)

PS. It might be worth looking into nvidia cards supported by adobe for cuda acceleration in CS5. JMHO.

SpiffyDinosaur

03-19-2010, 05:15 PM

I have been looking at MB's and I like the specs on a Gigabyte MB ( GA-x58A-ud3r-lga ) Is there any reason I should look at ASUS instead ? The GB MB has most features and more SATA drive connectors.

Mike

Rich Deustachio

04-21-2010, 01:37 PM

I bought all the parts for my new system, they should all be here by the end of the week.

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Blue RC-932-KKN3-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case

COOLER MASTER Silent Pro RSA00-AMBAJ3-US 1000W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.92 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor

CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX6GX3M3A1600C9

BFG Tech BFGEGTX2851024OCBE GeForce GTX 285 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Thermalright U120eXtrem1366RT R-C 120mm Fluid Dynamic CPU Cooler

Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

(4) Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

LG WH10LS30K 10X Blu-ray Burner - LightScribe Support - Bulk - OEM

Nippon Labs Delux 3.5" Internal All In One Card Reader/Writer with USB2.0 & eSATA Ports Model ICR-BB

Logitech Z523 40 Watts RMS 2.1 Speaker System

Quiet1onTheSet

04-22-2010, 09:40 AM

I'm licking my chops over your choice of components, save for the possibility that you might opt for a THX® Certified, ProMedia 2.1 speaker system by Klipsch®.

See and hear this self-powered system on the display shelf at your local Best Buy, in the computer accessories department. Solid sound, with incredibly tight low end, given the system's relatively small footprint, even at high SPLs (sound pressure levels). They're designed to be able to operate safely, with little discernible distortion at high SPLs (sound pressure levels).

Their price is a paltry $158.99 USD, but Best Buy fairly frequently runs a sale on these at just $119.99. For the money, these rock.

Test Freaks http://www.testfreaks.com/pc-speakers/klipsch-promedia-2-1/ complains that the system's subwoofer is rather big.

In my view, at approx. 10"w x 11"d x 9.5"h, it's just fine, given that the sound reproduction is marvelous from a system of its size).

Comments welcome.

Regards!
Q1

Novaman350

04-22-2010, 02:56 PM

donx

04-22-2010, 05:14 PM

It sounds like you guys are trying to construct a mac pro.
Might be easier to just let Apple build it for you.

Quiet1onTheSet

04-26-2010, 02:51 PM

Something to wet your whistle, for my SE 2.0 & LW brothers in newtek land check out the
EVGA DUAL 1366 mobo with the latest specs ie. usb 3.0 , 6gb sata-sas suppport @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-16R508YLmg&feature=fvw.
Peace!!!

Wow! That's a really hot motherboard!

And how about this, for a USB 3.0 video interface from BlackMagic Design, with utterly *awesome* IO, for just $895? I wonder if SpeedEDIT 2 has been tested with this yet!?

Imagine a system like one proposed in post #28 above, but with a clean and powerful multichannel sound system, with NewTek SpeedEDIT 2, Adobe Creative Suite CS5, but as a huge home run hitter, sporting *this* red-hot baby:

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/ultrastudiopro/

Of course, we'll then have to press for 10-bit editing from the cool folks at NewTek, right gang?

Q1
:hey:

csandy

04-27-2010, 10:20 AM

Cool design on the BMD product. Seems like an impractical form factor for the broadcast environment though. Should be a good fit for home editors and SE2.

Quiet1onTheSet

04-27-2010, 10:49 AM

Cool design on the BMD product. Seems like an impractical form factor for the broadcast environment though. Should be a good fit for home editors and SE2. Impractical? I could see this unit tethered to a routing matrix in a broadcast facility with no qualm. Broadcast is precisely the market it's aimed at, C'. They're the ones more likely to be working from 10-bit sources, besides.

Q1
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"It is appointed unto men, once to die, and then the judgment..."

SBowie

04-27-2010, 10:53 AM

I think the implication is that a broadcast environment tends to be keener on a rack mount, or at least something that can fit into a rack mount ... maybe not as strong an argument for post, though. I like it as far as a desktop installation goes, though it looks a little 'Steve Jobs' for my personal taste.

Quiet1onTheSet

04-27-2010, 10:57 AM

I think the implication is that a broadcast environment tends to be keener on a rack mount, or at least something that can fit into a rack mount Yeah, hence my rack-mount inference (i.e., through use of a router), seconds before you hit the "Save" button to post.

... it looks a little 'Steve Jobs' for my personal taste.

I thought similarly. Kind of "iThingy-ish", though no hint of FinalCut Studio compatibility (yet).
:hey:
Q1

csandy

04-27-2010, 01:49 PM

Funny, the version that came to my Blackberry didn't make any sense, but I see you've edited it, Q1. Still, Steve got what I meant by form factor. On occassion I like being conservative with words.

I do agree it's less of an issue in post, but in many stations, things are still racked becasue it's a lot easier to keep it safe and keep your workspace neat.

Also, desk space is often at a premium, so things like CPUs and the like end up on the floor or in a floor cabinet.

That's why I say impractical for the broadcast environment.

Great for freelancers and independents though.

Yes, it's definitly modeled after the iMac, which is definitely a hint toward the BMD's target market, don't you think?

csandy

04-27-2010, 01:55 PM

They're the ones more likely to be working from 10-bit sources, besides.

Well.... actually you'll find that broadcast stations are the first and last to move into new technology. It's more of a leap frog effect.

Because independents often have less overhead, smaller producers are able to change their gear more frequently.

For example, if my local ABC affiliate wanted to introduce 3GB/s SDI into their work flow, they would have to change out all of their routing equipment and perhaps even their internal wiring. That's a very expensive proposition.

If you only have one edit station as an independent, you can get the latest and greatest for a couple of grand including a new spool of copper and some connectors, and a new PCI-E interface like the BMD device you point out.

On the other hand, large stations have more working capital, so they may make a very expensive acquisition that might take you years to afford, or take innovators like NewTek time to offer the same functionality at a lower price point.

So that's what I mean by they tend to be both first and last.

Quiet1onTheSet

04-27-2010, 03:04 PM

Funny, the version that came to my Blackberry didn't make any sense, but I see you've edited it, Q1. No editing from here at all. Instead, I believe BMD changed the link itself, and/or rearranged the content at their site, FWIW.

Well.... actually you'll find that broadcast stations are the first and last to move into new technology. It's more of a leap frog effect.

But the industry is now well into the solid-state acquisition, playback and ingest paradigm, and to be sure, compatible cameras in the prosumer space, let alone broadcast -- sporting 10-bit recording is not considered so much a rarity anymore.

Therefore, that "first and last" paradigm doesn't work so much, for the purposes of this specific discussion, IMHO.

...Because independents often have less overhead, smaller producers are able to change their gear more frequently.

For example, if my local ABC affiliate wanted to introduce 3GB/s SDI into their work flow, they would have to change out all of their routing equipment and perhaps even their internal wiring. That's a very expensive proposition. W-ww-well now, hold that thought.

It appears you've been painting with much too broad a brush in several instances within this discussion, C'. The suggestion that a major overhaul would be required for a local broadcaster to switch to 3Gb/s is a quantum leap of a statement itself.

Just as it's entirely plausible that a broadcaster might gradually implement, say, HD intheir workflow, and ultimately build an entire live through to delivery infrastructure to support it (as many have) -- likewise, can be said of phasing in 3GB/s throughput, say, for their post operations (as was inferenced earlier). Then, subsequent retrofitting and upgrades would encompass switching through to post and beyond, making your argument (to borrow a word from SteveB) moot.

Yes, it's definitly modeled after the iMac, which is definitely a hint toward the BMD's target market, don't you think? Yup. I was thinking it sort of resembled a just-pregnant IPod Touch with the umbillical still attached, hoisted on an aluminum iMac stand.

Q1