More G5 real world benchmarks [Archive]

Red_Oddity

09-02-2003, 04:34 AM

Just wait for Beamtracer to get his G5 and does some LW benchmarks (real ones)...my guess is he's gonna rubb our noses in the dust for the next weeks :D

*edit*...also, it clearly states CineBench is NOT optimised for the G5...so you might aswell make up a benchmark where which computer is better decided on the fact how far you can toss it out of the window (my guess the Mac 'cause of the handy dandy handles :D )

js33

09-02-2003, 05:38 AM

Also Lightwave benchmarks are the only ones that really matter. :D

Cheers,
JS

Ade

09-02-2003, 07:36 AM

Ohh geese 64AMD beaten by p4? Ohh guess thats what happens when u aint optimised ...yet (http://www.ocworkbench.com/2003/aliuli/m1687/m1687-7.htm)

Nakia

09-02-2003, 09:18 AM

The one "Benchmark" I go by is What computer does stays on one's desktop longer not how fast it runs.
Most Mac users never replace thier machines within 2 to 5 years. Usability is very long with Macs. I own a Powermac G4 933, yes it is not as fast as my PC but I'm not planning on buying a new one no time soon.
I also use a 200Mhz SGI o2, I don't think there are any usuable 200Mhz PC for 3D graphics.
The longevity Benchmark is the one we rarelly see.
Folks are still using 450Mhz Powermacs G4 like they just bought them.

Ade

09-02-2003, 09:24 AM

Nakia tell us more bout your SGI?
U running LW on it? Whats its config?

Nakia

09-02-2003, 09:45 AM

200Mhz, 256Meg RAM
2 18gig 10Krpm HDs
IRIX 6.5.17
LW 5.6
The following link has all the info on it.
I also owned an Indigo2 MAximpact box that rock with wireframes.

http://futuretech.mirror.vuurwerk.net/o2/

Ge4-ce

09-02-2003, 10:52 AM

Yeah.. Nakia is right!..

I also have another thing to add.. Now a days.. when Panther comes out.. it runs faster on every machine! so.. your machine runs faster with every system upgrade because of the fact that apple puts in some effort to make a snappy system..

Most pc's have to be upgraded to use new systemsoftware. I'm curious about the systemrequierments for "longhorn" or what its name..

skippy

09-02-2003, 11:07 AM

longhorn..the big dumb cow

Nakia

09-02-2003, 11:40 AM

G3 are still out there. I working a deal to buy one. Yeah they are not fast but thats the only drawback, everything else still works.
You never see the I still have my Computer debate. Its always how fast and at what cost.
The original Powermac G4 users that paid $$$ for that box, probably spent less $$$ over the last 4 years compared to the PC user who boost how fast their box is and how cheap it is to build it.
I built a AMD K7 500 w/ original Geforce 256 less then year before the original Dual G4 came out. That box is my Children nickjr.com computer. The geforce 256 card burnt out (by the way was a real good card, worth the $320 I paid). The computer was decommissioned from my use 3 years ago for a 750 Mhz AMD then a 800Mhz AMD which both Died (also 2 Geforce cards died since). I bought a Powermac G4 933 last year, Its still there, with a long life in its future. I replaced my PCs with a 2.4 XEON HT. I bought a XEON this time, XEON seem to have longer desk life with performance, I also have 2 SGI boxes from the 1996 era which I use.
Not being a speed buff I need long life machines. I need OS's that still run on older Hardware with each new release.
Next release of OS X will run good on my G4. I'm pretty sure the next after that.
I say the true real-life benchmarks is how long we keep our Worlstations in use for.

mlinde

09-02-2003, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Nakia
G3 are still out there. I working a deal to buy one.

The only disadvantage to the G3 is the lack of Altivec/Velocity Engine. I would look at a first/second generation G4 first just for that.

panini

09-02-2003, 04:48 PM

My 3 year old old pentium III is still running, not crashing and running faster than any of these older G4s. My new Opterons will be fine for at least another 3 years

What's your point exactly?

The obvious reason why PC user upgrade so frequently is because they can. PCs are faster and cheaper with faster processors coming out at regular intevals.

Apple users pay for a slow overpriced piece of crap and then are stuck with it ( spent too much money, and not much coming out in terms of faster machines for months anyway ).

What are you going to upgrade to after you but a G5?
It's already slower than last year's PC ( as real world tests prove )
and it will be 2 years before a significant speed increase is here.

PCs on the other hand are about to start cranking up and going over 4Ghz before spring. It will cost me about $500 to replace MB and chip in my old Pentium III PC and I'll have a 4Ghz machine next to my AMD machine. Even that one will be twice as fast as your new G5.

Nakia

09-02-2003, 05:23 PM

SORRY for any Flame my computer id better than yours POST!!

Here we go with the Speed attack from PC users
Whats the Mhz of your PIII? Is it one of the 550Mhz PIII ? PIIIs are still not exactly old. REmember I rock a SGI box from 1996, What PC from 1996 is still usable for GFX? There are Mac users still using G3s.
You will attack a Mac Speed and yes they are slow. but the package that comes out the box is untouchable. The only OS /Hardware bundle I seem come close to a Mac is SGI IRIX and Workstation. It is this package the gives it shelf life. The tools it comes with the things can do with it out of the box.
I own a XEON 2.4 GHz, it only comes on to render. My powermac is 933Mhz box and yes it slower at rendering but the tools it has blow what my XP box came with. Did my Xp box come with any graphic convertors -no, My mac did and my SGI box, did it come with a DVD authoring tool -no, my mac did, did it come with photo tool that makes profolios, catalogs, photo albulms, exports to my .mac site, provide prints and photo books with a click -no, my mac did, did it come with a solid movie maker app like my mac and SGI id -no, do I have shell to do some serious background work like good Ol unix -no my mac and SGI do, Art Director Tool Kit -love it, PC no have, iCal addicted to it, PC no have, iTunes (well ipod sold to a lot PC folks) I love iTunes.
A mac user can build a demo reel so nice without having to drop $$ except for LW. This is out the box. This is what my point is, its not the speed but the total package that Apple gives you. PC user don't get a total package, PC user don't even get any developing tools unless you pay or get cygwin. The Total package adds to the shelf life.
I never CLAIM Macs are FASTER ( I would never bought a XEON ), I do CLAIM they come with BETTER APPS then any windows box.
I know I will hear the "I don't care about those apps I just use one App" But mac users know the deal.

Nakia

09-02-2003, 05:42 PM

It will cost me about $500 to replace MB and chip in my old Pentium III PC
You really believe that price?
You believe your PIII powersupply will drive a 64bit system? You forgot to mention new ram also, unless you were talking about upgrading to a faster PIII.
I hope you talking about upgrading to a faster PIII.
well according to pricewatch.com the fastest XEON cost $428 just the chip.
fastes Opteron tops at $818. I'm not going to add the motherboard and memory. I also figure that anyone willing to do such a serious upgrade might need a GFX card but I won't add that to the price.
As far as upgrading whats the Diff between PC and Macs? I can upgrade my Single G4 933 to a Dual 1.* GHz
http://www.powerlogix.com/products2/
Oh did you know?
Not too many single PIII systems can go Dual.
I have some Geforce FX cards to move up to, 3D card area seems to be moving faster now. I expect that to change to more variaty soon. Ram, well PC and Mac use the same Ram, along with HD, Zip Drives, cd burners.
I added a RAID controller to my G4 with 2 60gig Drives with 2 more ide ports for 2 more Drives.
The Mac sits perfect in my NIS/NFS environment.
Sorry for the ranting folks
Nakia

Ed M.

09-02-2003, 07:10 PM

You all should hop on over and read the latest contributions I've made to the MacLW forum.

For one, it's been confirmed that Apple and Virginia Tech are building a G5 Supercomputing cluster that will place in the top 5 in the world.

I also posted a lot of juicy information for people in the other G5 benchmark thread.

And is that a cat I hear? Sounds like it's in heat...

--
Ed

Nakia

09-02-2003, 07:19 PM

Ed M. I was hoping that you smell the what was cooking over here and drop a good post. And you did.

Ever since the newer G4s Apple been starting fires in forums like crazy.

I seen some Apple servers in Some Stock trading Comm Rooms. Some Big Stock Company comm room. Its making a move.

Ed M.

09-02-2003, 07:44 PM

Well, I posted the articles and information. I also posted some analysis and laid down some reasoning based on that info. All one has to do read it and piece it together for themselves. If someone like Beamtracer or tallscot cares to, they can probably do a pretty good job of making a timeline showing when actual 64bit support will come to AMD64. As noted in the articles, there is no 64bit support or support for any of the 64bit features. It's years off and the desktop chips (Opteron's little brother) isn't even out yet. Simply put, It will more or less progress like this:

Longhorn will ship first (whenever that will be)
Blackcomb will ship after Longhorn
64bit Opteron support will come *sometime *after Blackcomb ships
After all that then we might see a full-out desktop version for Athlon64

The information in the articles and the excerpts from AMD themselves pretty much sums it up.

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Ed

Nakia

09-02-2003, 07:51 PM

Me coming from a 64bit UNIX world (Sun and SGI) know that its a long process.
Credit have to be given to Apple for having the first Affordable Usable 64bit CPU desktop. sun Sunblade 100 don't count or any of those Ultra 5s or 10s (solaris is not that useful at home, like Mac OS X, I use solaris but I'm odd).

Beamtracer

09-03-2003, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by Ed M.
Longhorn will ship first (whenever that will be)
Blackcomb will ship after Longhorn
64bit Opteron support will come *sometime *after Blackcomb ships
After all that then we might see a full-out desktop version for Athlon64

The "Longhorn" version of Windows is now officially delayed and won't be out before 2006.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32602.html
If Windows64 for AMD comes after that, then it could be 2007, 2008!!!

AMD is a decent company with decent products. The big albatross around their neck is Microsoft, strangling them until they fall, to help their buddy Intel.

Do Windows users really think this is a good thing? All those Windowers who keep turning up on this forum... have a think about it.

Ed M.

09-03-2003, 03:42 AM

My whole point was that currently there is *no* 64bit Windows support for AMD64 (be it Opteron or Athlon64 (still not shipping), nor does it seem there will be until around the time Intel has originally stated -- even the AMD representatives stated it. Having 64bit LINUX support is one thing, but it doesn't really get AMD into the mainstream at all and keeps them in a smaller niche than Apple.

People are buying G5s because the they offer the performance and OS X allows for limited support *now*. It all goes back to one of the threads I originally started here months ago stating that there will be no 64bit support for the Wintelon crowd until the end of the decade. Intel has said it, Microsoft has stated it and now AMD has stated it. None of it will happen soon.

In the mean time, AMD will just be popping out CPUs that are actually no better than the current crop of processors they already produce; no wonder why Intel doesn't seem worried. Given the facts as stated in the articles, Intel has plenty of time until then and who knows if AMD will still be around at the time. They are struggling as it is.

Well, guys, it doesn't look like NewTek made a wise decision snuggling up to BOXX, unless they plan on offering support through a version of Lightwave for SuSe LINUX. So, as it stands now and until around later in the decade, BOXX systems will offer noting over presently shipping G5/OS X combos.

What this means is a very slow adoption rate for AMD64 chips. Like I said, Intel is bleeding them slowly.

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Ed

Beamtracer

09-03-2003, 05:09 AM

You could easily get the impression that Intel actually colluded with Microsoft to prevent Windows from running on Opteron.

Their motives are becoming clearer now. Intel sits on its hands regarding 64-bit computing for the masses, and delays introducing a mainstream 64-bit processor until they've killed off AMD first.

Microsoft can escape blame by pointing the finger at AMD for having a different 64-bit architecture than Intel. Microsoft does the deed and Intel is the beneficiary.

This collusion could result in another big antitrust court case if it could be proven.

Panini: Why don't you tell us again how much you love Microsoft, just to entertain us!

tasmanian

09-03-2003, 06:03 AM

Ah, another one of those '"mine's bigger than yours" contests. How we all love them.
I sometimes stumble onto these kinds of threads cos' I like to be informed about new stuff coming out.
I'm not planning on buying any new computer any time soon, in fact I only buy a new computer when I can buy one that renders at least 3 times faster than my current model. As far as I'm concerned render times are about the only field where there's some improvement to make. I can model in real time and I can animate in real time (for most stuff anyway). Main considerations are not so much "is computer X 10 or 20% faster than computer Y" but "does my software run effective", "can I get support on my platform", "are plugins available" etc... Too bad I can't get that info without having to find my way through all the c...

Have a nice day:)

Nakia

09-03-2003, 06:23 AM

Alot of PC folks failed to see how well rounded Macs are now with OS X. OS X is seen as basic OS upgrade like going from win95 to win98. OS X has a lot to offer.
For a SHop with some programming skills new Apps and in-house apps can be made without any $$$ spent. The develope tools on MAc OS X are good for that. Apple gives you everything you need to make an app, if you want the interface you have interface builder or you can go strictly command-line.
But if its just fo LW, then I will say PC might be better. But for an all around shop Mac has more to offer when it comes to total package with off the shelf growth.
What made SGI soar in the Past in the graphic aea will work for Apple. A solid platform which Companies can develope on. We will see more in-house applications being made on OS X since the tools are FREE and there are a lot of them.
Even with Darwin on x86 making use of PC for render nodes controlled by OS X is not a far fetch idea.

panini

09-03-2003, 01:27 PM

Yes, that kitty in heat are Mac owners crying out for for power, but year after year they are still unsatisfied.

#1. Opteron is already fast without 64 bit support

#2. I know two people who already have beta Windows 64 running

#3. Who cares about G5 when it gets beaten by a year old Pentium 4.

#4. There is no 64bit OS for the mac either and there won't be for a while. Anybody telling you differently is a liar.

harlan

09-03-2003, 02:09 PM

The G5 hasn't been beaten by a year old P4, you dip****, you complain when benchmarks favor the G5 and claim they're inaccurrate, and when they favor a wintel box you suddenly agree with them.

You seriously need to grow up. Why do you feel its your job to go anti-mac in mac forums? No one wants to hear your incompetent redderick, and in fact I'm requesting that they remove you from posting privileges because you've not posted a single valuable post.

Hmmmm, I wonder if there's a way we can individually filter posts, like "see all but posts by Panini" - because I just don't have the time in my day to waste reading Panini's, biased, self-indulgent nonsense while I'm trolling for valuable information.

panini

09-03-2003, 04:05 PM

Sure they have ( been beaten by a year old Pentiums )

2.4 ghz Pentiums are year old. Look up these benchmarks I posted. And these are Mac sites, like Barefeats links I posted.

Truth hurts??? Take 2 aspirin or buy a PC, you'll feel better.

harlan

09-03-2003, 05:27 PM

Yeah yeah, but we all know the debatability of those benchmarks - running non-optimized apps on a system so new its barely even shipping compared to a system based on the same X86 technology that's been around & optimized for, for centuries.

The point is, why are you harrassing the Mac users? Why don't you just mind your PC business elsewhere. No one, and I mean no one, here wants to listen to your immature half-baked nonsense. See the little button that says LW - Mac? Don't click it!!! So, take off your knee-pads, wipe Bill Gates' favorite shade of lipstick from your lips and keep your biased ***** in the LW - PC forum.

I have a PC - I have 78 Dual PIII's in a farm and 10 PIV PC workstations. I also have a slew of macs, including an order of 150 Dual G5's. We use OSX, Linux, and Windows here, but we're completely overhauling the house and dumping all of the Windows systems because we get much more work done on the OSX boxes.

Everytime I read one of your posts - I just envision the little brat kid no-one can stand because he spends all his time making fun of everyone else in order to overcome his own insecurities, failures, and feelings of inadequacy.

Beamtracer

09-03-2003, 06:53 PM

Harassing Mac users is entertainment for some people who must have nothing better to do with their lives.

Originally posted by harlan
I have 78 Dual PIII's in a farm and 10 PIV PC workstations. I also have a slew of macs, including an order of 150 Dual G5's. Hey Harlan, that's pretty impressive! 150 G5s. That's starting to rival the Virginia Tech supercomputer purchase!

I'll be happy when I get just one G5! ;)

harlan

09-03-2003, 07:21 PM

Yeah, it'll be pretty cool. We're still organizing all the support gear, but by the time they ship the damn things, we should be ready. ;)

We're doing a new animated primetime television series with them. Should be fun.

Harlan

PS - Well, you know that one of those 150 G5's is obviously gonna be my personal system. ;)

Johnny

09-03-2003, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by harlan
We're doing a new animated primetime television series with them. Should be fun.

don't suppose you can share any details about that at this time?

J

Ed M.

09-03-2003, 08:29 PM

Hey, guys, check this out.... It's just like I said. Intel and AMD are having an EXTREMELY tough go at it with respect to 64bit computing. Windows/Intel/AMD fans won't like it much, but oh well.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/32619.html

That's some pretty funny stuff. It seems to be happening exactly as I surmised. With those kinds of numbers, it's no wonder there isn't any support. The figure also includes BOXX systems by the way.

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Ed

Johnny

09-03-2003, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Ed M.
That's some pretty funny stuff…

heh! and one thing the mac-hating trolls would NEVER accuse Apple of is giving its computers away..

..or having to!

J

Beamtracer

09-03-2003, 08:57 PM

That story from The Register is very funny. The Itanic must be an embarrassment of the whole Windows world.

Apple has taken over 100,000 orders for new G5 computers. That's more than Opteron and Itanic combined, and will soon make the G5 the biggest selling 64-bit system ever.

panini

09-03-2003, 11:01 PM

Sure they do. Apple just gave away 1200 G5s to Virginia Tech.

You think a school like that would buy G5s. If you have any braincells left ( I know ods are against you since this is a Mac forum ) think about it and you'll know why they never would buy G5s.

Just another PR stunt, Give them away and claim you have the 5th fastest whatever. They'll write it off as advertising expense.

Bottom line again.

I have 2 opterons chugging along faster than you G5 which is still somewhere in the dump where thay make these Apple toys. How many Itaniums or Opterons they sell really is no concern to me. Less they sell more urgency they'll feel to lower the prices and ramp up the Mhz again. Consumer wins. My Opterons are good for another 3 years no matter what happens.

And by the way. You know that Apple pre-sold 100 000 G5s because Steve says so?? And he would never lie???

Enron, Worldcom, all great well trusted American companies.
No, our great corporations would never lie. And geez, they managed to pre-sell exactly 100 000. Such a nice round number.

harlan

09-03-2003, 11:39 PM

Your Mom's a whore! ;)

finearts2

09-04-2003, 12:02 AM

Ya know, pik-a-ninny, sometimes you make me all happy inside. I mean, gosh, it's wonderful that the institution (i.e. the Happy place) is allowing you to take all those medications to make us big, old mean bunch of mac buyers seem less frightening, well with that new G5 coming out and all. What poor, misguided sheep we are.

I hope one day the world will finally realize that Steve Jobs is satan, that he is a bad, bad man and that Bill Gates is remembered for the amazing things he gave the world. I hear he can, with just one touch of his finger, turn water to wine. Why, oh why did I have to go buy a Apple computer????? I have seen the light!!!!
I just hope it's not too late!!!!

toby

09-04-2003, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by harlan
Your Mom's a whore! ;)
I haven't laughed so hard in weeks!

Ge4-ce

09-04-2003, 03:21 AM

For the Mac users:

Itanic.. Titanic? get it? he he...

For Panini:

Itanic.. Tinanic.. get it? Probably not.. so what I mean is that the Titanic is a Ship (you know.. a type of transportation over water. It floats and is very very big)
but there is another story to it.. They made a mistake.. they thought the ship would never sink.. It did.. it went under like if it were nothing.. (with 'under' I mean it goes under the watersurface of the sea.. you know.. the heck a lot of water with fish and other animals swimming in it) So I compare your processors with the Tinanic (meaning the ship) so they both go under.. get it?

Oh hell I tried..

toby

09-04-2003, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by panini
Sure they do. Apple just gave away 1200 G5s to Virginia Tech.
Source? Logic? oh - I forget who I'm talking to -

You think a school like that would buy G5s. Yes we do, we don't disbelieve things because we don't like them. That's what differentiates us from PC users that brag about PCs in the Mac forum.

If you have any braincells left ( I know ods are against you since this is a Mac forum ) You're on the Mac forum, and you're PC user, who has yet to post on the PC forum! Who's the doofus?

You by far post the most useless, stupidest and repetitive arguments I've ever seen on any forum - as well as the most claims which are completely ( get your dictionary out ) unsubstantiated.

And geez, they managed to pre-sell exactly 100 000. Such a nice round number.
He said 'more than 100,000'. What if they stopped taking orders at 100K units? You really need to stop making yourself look like a baboon.

I know it's a waste of time arguing with a baboon, but who thought it could be so much fun?

Red_Oddity

09-04-2003, 04:30 AM

Holy hell, this thread has taking a big tumble down hill...
It get's funnier though with each new post:D

Quite frankly, i can't really give a rats arse which is faster, if it's the G5, fine, great for Mac users all around, can't see why they wouldn't reap the benefits of modern technology for a while (no flamatory pun intended)...
As for the itanium, i never really understood this chip, it's a server chip, yet somehow people insist on using these for workstations :confused: ...i don't get it...
For that money,you can buy a bunch of P4 systems ($600-$700 per pc with enough memory) and a nice license of Matador (http://www.animax.it/Software/Software-2.htm)...

As for that large G5 render cluster...it does make sense to me...you've got a Unix OS, and not too expensive 64-bit machines...with 1200 machines working together it doesn't really matter what their raw speed is anymore (just take a peak at how long DEC Alpha chips have been used for render clusters, even today, and these run at, what?, 500Mhz max?)

Beamtracer

09-04-2003, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by panini
If you have any braincells left ( I know ods are against you since this is a Mac forum ) Panini, I notice you just exercised your brain cell again.

Nakia

09-04-2003, 08:04 AM

My favorate car was not the fastest but it last.
I traded my rc10gt and paid $250 for a 1974 Dodge Dart (year I was born), with a 225 slant 6. It had only 76,000 miles and it was 2000 when I bought it. It ran real good, slow but it ran. You couldn't kill it.
It had AC, Heat, Powersteering, Smooth shocks. But is was not the fastest thing on the Block. There were no real upgrades for it, no need to. I also owned a 83 deck out T-bird 5.0. Fast, blew away a few Nissans MAxiums, and Accords. THe Cars sucked beside being fast. It had all the upgrade parts you every wanted. I junk it, it wasn't worth anything to anybody. To me the Slant 6 Dart was a much better ride. I get offers on the spot $1000 cash for it, never saw an offer for the faster T-bird.
I referred to My G4 as my Dart, always running. Clean, easy to maintain, Always get laughs from the faster car folks who don't understand loyalty those that do don't laugh they respected it no matter what they drive.