blackmagic-design support

[LAD3D]

For HD output to an HDMI LCD HDTV I would like to use the blackmagic-design intensity with SpeedEDIT VT and/or standalone:

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/

Will this product function well with SpeedEDIT?

Of course, 'blackmagic' as a concept is against my scruples, but I can always put a video toaster sticker over their logo...
-qb white

[ScorpioProd]

BlackMagic card support has been announced in SpeedEDIT 2.0 expected out in the late fourth quarter of this year. The specific BM cards have been not been named yet, though I would expect the Intensity and Intensity Pro to be among them, since those are some of the most popular BM cards for NLE use.

For the current SpeedEDIT, there isn't any direct support of external HD capable cards.

[donx]

We could all wake up in a dream to find that SpeedEdit 2 would support BlackMagic DeckLink Studio 2 capture card. Most other NLE seems to :thumbsup:
Their press release certainly made me drool:foreheads

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/press/detail.asp?pressID=170

[ScorpioProd]

That would be a nice dream, though I think I should point out there hasn't been any suggestion that SpeedEDIT 2.0 would support 10-bit video, and the DeckLink Studio 2 card is a 10-bit card. (Though it probably can also capture 8-bit, I guess.)

[LAD3D]

Alright I am going for it! Just ordered the Intensity Pro with the analog breakout cables. Will be putting it into a new system build that will attach to a new 46" LCD HDTV via HDMI. For time being I will use CS4 Premiere Pro to look at HD through the Intensity Pro...but I look forward to settling down with SpeedEDIT2 pretty soon and having my hardware output from SpeedEDIT to the HDTV screen.

Any juicy talk on a NewTek HD VT coming soon?

[ScorpioProd]

Any juicy talk on a NewTek HD VT coming soon?
Nope. TriCaster XD300 is where the HD switching is coming from in the near future.

[Novaman350]

Hopefully SE.20 would support the newer HD Extreme 2 / 3 cards since BMD just posted the latest 7.3 updated drivers!

[ScorpioProd]

As long as those cards can downgrade their I/O to 8-bit...

Of course, if you're only doing 8-bit anyway, well, an Intensity Pro seems to be the better deal.

[Mutley Eugenius]

Well, LAD3D, what happened when you got the Black Magic Card?

Does SE 1.5.5 output through it? I'm planning on buying the one that does HD-SDI, but only if I get good news from you on BMD & SE Combinations.

[Novaman350]

Currently there are issues with the BMD drivers and SpeedEdit, version1.5.5 , hopefully these will addressed in the new SpeedEdit 2.0 due out soon! I currently have the HD Extreme 2 card with ver 7.33 update with
Hdmi / sdi i/o.:vticon:

[Quiet1onTheSet]

I currently have the HD Extreme 2 card with ver 7.33 update with
Hdmi / sdi i/o.:vticon:

Hey, Novaman! (or anyone)...
What are some of the most striking features with the hardware/software you now have, in that HD Extreme2™ package from BlackMagic Designs®, or other I/O cards you now own, relative to the power it and the complementary software it came with has provided you?

That is, what capability/performance do you now have -- that you didn't have before the purchase?

Do tell!
:question:

On behalf of all onlookers here, thanks in advance.
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[Novaman350]

A 10 bit card capable of 2k and 4k res for film work plus Blue- Ray my man!

[donx]

I am using a BM Intensity pro card and for me it is allowing me to capture analogue video via component or other i/o. Unfortunately SE 1.55 doesn't play any of the capture formats. Presently I capture with the BM Media Express software to compressed Motion JPG and then put that file into Premier to render it to SpeedHQ 422 format. From there I can edit in Speed Edit.

[LAD3D]

Hi, the BM Intensity Pro is functioning very nicely with HDMI 1920 x 1080 output from Premiere Pro and After Effects. I am very happy with it however, SpeedEDIT does not currently support the BM Intensity Pro...someone said SpeedEDIT 2.0 might support it and I hope so. For now I am just fine editing with Premiere but look forward to using SpeedEDIT with the Intensity Pro.

My goal with this I/O was to edit lossless HD clips in realtime AND display it all on an HDTV. It is working!!! But I must say that I am using (6) 300GB 10,000 RPM Western Digital VelociRaptor drives in a RAID 5 connected directly to my MoBo to have more than enough disk drive SPEED to play the "Blackmagic HD 8 bit 4:2:2 codec" AVI files that I render.

My Lightwave animations and motion graphics are delightful to see on the big screen!

I have yet to try capturing live from an HDV camcorder via its HDMI output and thus avoiding the HDV compression, but I will try it soon and will report back...
-qb

[LAD3D]

Hi, for $199 it was very reasonable to try the Intensity Pro. And having done so I now have: (1) hardware HDTV output via HDMI and Component. (2) codecs that allow me to edit lossless HD clips in realtime. (3) and HDMI input for recording lossless live video from a modest camcorder.

As soon as NewTek offers an I/O card similar to this, something geared towards video post production professionals, I will have several of them in my studio. The NewTek version would use the SpeedHQ codec and function like a VT but without all the live event functionality of a VT...

I need a NewTek hardware HD product for POST PRODUCTION...something that makes SpeedEDIT sing and makes it stop INSTANTY while realtime editing. I need a SpeedEDIT HD with its own hardware device and audio/video drivers and I look forward to having it!

My new system build is now a few weeks old...I am almost ready to build a new one for SpeedEDIT HD.
-qb

[LAD3D]

Hi, currentlly the glitch I have with this system is frequent crash of a thing called "LogTransport Application has stopped working" and I click "Close the program" and go on. I do not know what this is, but it does not require me to stop working.

I use Windows Vista 64 bit w/ 8GB DDR3 RAM and i7 CPU...she runs very very well.
-qb

[Quiet1onTheSet]

A 10 bit card capable of 2k and 4k res for film work plus Blue- Ray my man!

up to 4K resolution??! That's what 'Om talkin' about!
But what's the name of the software you'd use to edit that level of esoteric media, given SpeedEDIT (currently) not being able to do that?

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[vncnt]

We could all wake up in a dream to find that SpeedEdit 2 would support BlackMagic DeckLink Studio 2 capture card. Most other NLE seems to :thumbsup:
Their press release certainly made me drool:foreheads

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/press/detail.asp?pressID=170

How about this one: http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/multibridge/

Capture and playback of 2K (2048 x 1556) in 4:4:4 RGB in 24 fps.
Nice for compositing.

[vncnt]

up to 4K resolution??! That's what 'Om talkin' about!
But what's the name of the software you'd use to edit that level of esoteric media, given SpeedEDIT (currently) not being able to do that?

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Even Vegas pro 9 doesn't support 4K output.

(Buggy 2K too. Sudden errors during rendering that can not be resolved. Seems they need to rework their renderer. Not very adaptable to smaller systems.)

[Novaman350]

The software is premiere pro,bmd card has plug-ins that support it.
here's the link : http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/decklinkhdextreme/
But I love the SpeedEdit workflow for editing/love working with 24p footage,and looking forward to SE 2.0
That's a rap!http://www.newtek.com/forums/images/smilies/brians/vticon.gif

[radams]

Hi all,

There seems to be much interest in larger than HD editing with some of you.

Are you guys looking to do film outs?
Are you editing material from Film or Digital Film Cameras?

Trust me, I'm in your corner wanting SE to work with them...
But NT needs to know why? and how many of us are out here needing or looking for such things.

As for 4K...I actually got SE to edit in part...but it was clunky, slow, and lockup prone...but I did get it to work...sort of :)

I'm more hopeful that they can get SE's core engines updated to NT's next generation...which is based on 64bit architecture...float colorspace...improved keying....new scaling engine.....new DVE engine....etc.

Now the big issue with that or anything to do with SE...and the shifting technologies and productions needs...

How many of you are still using tape?
How many of you are using file based (on memory card, HD, or disk) ?

Since both the acquisition...is now mostly file based...
and that distribution is also file based...why do we need and I/O card?

The need we have now for most...is to be able to have a proper reference both with display and audio.

Unfortunately GPU's are still not able to properly display video...for critical decision making/referencing...Thus we need a way to properly output (with some kind of calibration control) from our systems.

At this time, NT has annouced that SE 2 will support BMD's cards.

But only the advanced ones allow for output calibration...thus lut support.
And only the more advanced ones can work with 24P....none work with 30P which is what many of the DSLR's create....so you won't be able use that as a native fps...

Also the HDMI ouputs on ALL their product line only support 2 channels of audio...if you want surround then you'll need to use their other AES or SDI audio tracks...

Even though the Intensity Pro...is economical, it does not support 24P....has no calibration...and is 8 bit only...

So, we are in need of an output device...that can be used to hook up a reference display with both our video and audio output....

That can support multiple framerates, resolutions, 10bit or better colorspace, etc...that can support Stereo to 5.1 or better surround...and all to be able to used as a reference system...

It would also be nice to be able to use this both on desktops or laptops.

Cheers,

[vncnt]

Hi all,

There seems to be much interest in larger than HD editing with some of you.

Are you guys looking to do film outs?
Are you editing material from Film or Digital Film Cameras?

Trust me, I'm in your corner wanting SE to work with them...
But NT needs to know why? and how many of us are out here needing or looking for such things.


When you're making an INDEPENDENT FILM, a production duration of 3 years wouldn't be too bad. If you're investing that much time and energy you better make sure that your master is in the highest available resolution and bit-depth you can afford.

If you use a lot of compositing, FX, color correction and 3D in your film there is no need to limit yourself to a dominant (affordable) acquisition video format like HD.

I use 1080p25 in the background and 3D-renderings in the foreground. In many films (video) backgrounds are usually a bit blurred compared to the foreground. It's not ideal but it is affordable. I even used chroma-keying with a 90 deg rotated camera to get the most resolution of the talent. When using ultra hi-res photo stills as a background there are many photo camera's below 1000 euro that can deliver beautiful pictures.
So 2K/3K/4K 3D-rendering/compositing and color correction in combination with upconverted to 2K/3K/4K pictures including digitally enhanced shots, could make your film more "cinema compliant".

With LightWave, Fusion and a good SLR you don't need a RED to create a 10-bit 3K master.
But you do need a NLE that supports 4:4:4 2K/3K/4K and at least 5.1 audio.

[LAD3D]

Hi, I need an HDMI output that will allow my studio and our clients to view the edit session in 1080i or 1080p on a consumer level and/or pro LCD HDTV. That functionality is now working with the lossless BMD 8bit AVI codec that I am running from Premiere Pro, through the Intensity Pro, out to a 46" LCD HDTV set. As I said before, I think the BMD Intensity Pro is awesome for $200 and, of course, another ~ $1,500 (or good chunk of change) for fast enough disk drives for realtime playback...

Now that our project is complete, which I can play in realtime from my 6 disk 10,000 RPM WD VelociRaptor RAID5, we now have to take the edit session, output it as a P2 720p DVCPRO HD, put it on an 'el cheapo' disk drive, and go from San Jose, CA up north to San Franciso, CA to pay $500 to get :30seconds out to DVCPRO HD tape so we can FedEX it to the East coast for broadcast on a national network. And yes, we asked this national network if we could just send a lossless AVI or Quicktime on an 'el cheapo' disk drive but they said "no!" three times and so, even though I have hardware output of HD 1080i, we are still faced with the service burough hardware output to tape in order to truly utalize HD post production...

But whether it is a BMD hardware device or a NewTek VTHD hardware device for the post production professional, I still want the hardware HDMI output and HD analogue output even though I can only monitor it.

I doubt I'll ever spend a gazzilion dollers on a DVCPRO HD deck, but soon enough everyone will be able to take digital files and the world will be in harmony...You might bet $666 dollers worth of terabytes on it!!!

[radams]

Hi LAD3D,

I hear ya :)

Hey what network is not accepting file based media?
That is a little strange these days.

Some locals won't (they are too afraid of virues, or they don't know how to input them)...but networks should.

Most network operations are using servers as their primaries..and many as their secondaries...only some use tape as a backup or source these days.

Something I'm looking into is the Matrox MX02 Mini.
Cause it is:
a) full 10 bit colorspace
b) has a calibrated output
c) supports surround audio out through HDMI
d) can be use from a laptop or desktop.

But at this time there is no support of SE...just Adobe.
I'm hoping that this might get some support from NT down the road.

Hey, drop me a PM...I'ld like to know who wouldn't work with you as to the file based delivery....how much are you spending to tranfer to tape...(it should be that much).

Cheers,

[LAD3D]

Hi, well I output the HD commercial spot as a 1920 x 1080 lossless Quicktime MOV, put the 4GB file on an NTSF formatted portable USB drive and my "producer" took it up to the big city where it was loaded into a FCP system, transcoded to 720P and output to DVCPROHD. I do not know what their hardware system was, but they got it put to DVCPROHD. The spot, a college branding commercial for San Jose State, which I created mostly in Lightwave, aired on ESPN broadcast of college football. I was quite satisfied as this was my first HD spot. I think this transfer came in just under $500.

Anyhow, I looked at the Matrox product you mentioned and I am seeing a pattern in these small, affordable hardware output devices. I still think it would be cool if NewTek had there own device made specifically for SpeedEDIT. Of course, I will be quite happy if they support products like the Intensity Pro and/or this Matrox device, so we can use SpeedEDIT with these devices, along with After Effects etcetera.

Even if it is just for display/monitoring during editing, the hardware output to the HDTV monitor is very important, very necessary.

That's all I got to say about that: please give us hardware HDTV output capabilities for use with SpeedEDIT, thank you.

[donx]

I'm a bit puzzled why it is so vitally important to output HDMI directly from SE? Apart from the fact that there are many, many full hi-def HDMI monitors on the market and walls of studios. At present, my 2nd monitor that I use as the playback screen for SE editing, is a 26" Samsung 1080x1920 monitor/HDMI TV (with no tuner)... and they even make bigger ones.
So here I am getting full resolution and framerate editing preview. NOW, not needing to wait for SE2's maybe support for the Intensity card, which I presently can use with Photoshop and afterfx via HDMI.

Am I doing something wrong or right?:stumped:

... of course, I still want more!!!

Santa? :bowdown:

[radams]

Hi Donx,

The issue is more about a proper reference output from SE, even with the GPU output...from DVI, HDMI, etc...it isn't a proper reference output...
Something that even NT admits...it isn't NT's fault...but the GPU's on the market today...hopefully someday the GPU's can handle it...but not today.

So thus we are needing a proper visual and audio reference output...thus the need for an additional output device such as the Intensity Pro or Matrox 02 Mini..or better...though none of Matrox's products are supported by NT at this time...and the info on BMD support at least for output NT has released inregards to SE 2.0. Time will tell what kind of support will be part of SE.

Cheers,

[donx]

Sometimes I think I am living in a world apart from most of the other SE users. I don't know what SE works like on most medium speed machines.
Speed Edit was the first program I installed on my 8 core MacPro using Bootcamp. The preview at fullscreen on my 26" monitor looks perfectly fine.
If you think it would be better thru an HDMI output from my Intensity Pro card then this inspires me to experiment rendering out a low compression file from the timeline and playing it back through the Black Magic HDMI rather than DVI directly in SE.

If it can get better, I want it.:D

[PIZAZZ]

Sometimes I think I am living in a world apart from most of the other SE users. I don't know what SE works like on most medium speed machines.
Speed Edit was the first program I installed on my 8 core MacPro using Bootcamp. The preview at fullscreen on my 26" monitor looks perfectly fine.
If you think it would be better thru an HDMI output from my Intensity Pro card then this inspires me to experiment rendering out a low compression file from the timeline and playing it back through the Black Magic HDMI rather than DVI directly in SE.

If it can get better, I want it.:D

I would bet money you will see a difference.

Last WSOP we used the DVI output as a confidence out into a 40" Sony LCD 1080 panel. Looked really good. We temporarily put in a Blackmagic Card though to record to the HD deck rental. All the edited files were from ISO footage from Sony EX1's. After the edits were done the project was rendered to a SpeedHQ avi file. Then we used the BlackMagic card's software "Media Express" to lay them to tape on the HD Deck. We took the Component output of the HD deck back into the Sony LCD for quality control.

The footage looked really good out the DVI.

The footage looked amazing out the BM card into the deck though.

I AB'd between the DVI and YUV inputs on the Sony and you could definitely see a difference. You will not be unhappy with this direct capability in SE 2.0.

[Quiet1onTheSet]

I'm a bit puzzled why it is so vitally important to output HDMI directly from SE? ...
Because so many of us find HDMI with digital audio included, such a simple approach to transferring signals to other devices, for clean, multichannel audio (say, 5.1 channels at least), plus pristine digital video in Hi-Def to boot; and as a bonus, HDMI which conforms to the dominant "equipment linking" standard (Panasonic® calls their variant VIERA Link™), enables equipment so connected to automajically talk to each other!

At present, my 2nd monitor that I use as the playback screen for SE editing, is a 26" Samsung 1080x1920 monitor/HDMI TV (with no tuner)...

Ooooh, DonX -- calling your Samsung 25.6" display a "TV", whilst it doesn't sport a TV tuner? That's a "no-no". 'Don't mean to chastise -- O'm jus' sayin'! FWIW, I own one as well. Wish I'd figured out a sure-fire way to calibrate the color saturation/tint/contrast and brightness on that unit, and the graphics card, so as to closely approximate the characteristics of a true reference monitor -- which these TN displays ain't (sic)!
:tsktsk:

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[donx]

Hey great!
Thanks for the perspective on an area I haven't explored much.

So I guess we all just wait and someday in the future we will find out if SE will allow us HDMI out via Black Magic or whatever is the chosen card.
In the meanwhile I'm having fun editing my crazy video art and performance music videos. It's all indy projects and usually with various unmatching cameras. So... what colour it should be.... is .... what colour it shows up as, on the viewers chosen playback apparatus.

http://vimeo.com/channels/planetx

[Novaman350]

Nice, very nicely done music was really smooth! I like it, and keep up the good work! Good transitions!

[Mutley Eugenius]

I'm a bit puzzled why it is so vitally important to output HDMI directly from SE?

Easy - Time. I produce visuals in SE all the time for an auditorium audience. My presentations are based on ral-time response from the audience. I don't have time to render to some other app & then play it. Right now I have to do it all SD.

I want to be able to go HD out to an HDMI screen, or ideally go out HD-SDI to a video switcher so the audience can see the presentation which I am compositing & showing live.

No-one can see my VGA screen so I want the big picture.