Harry Potter, what a dud :( [Archive]

radams

07-19-2009, 12:59 AM

Hi All,

Just went to see the New Harry Potter and the half blood prince...
If you are 11-13 yrs old...then you may like it...otherwise it is so long disjointed..and so poorly directed both in story and visuals...it just pains you to sit through the 2:33 minutes of it...there are a few glimpses of cool.
but nothing ever melds together. I felt sorry for the actors...they did their part.

It is so teeny love lost...that the story and environment and magic (if I dare say)...just aren't there...or at best plod along with everything in plane sight.

I know that some of you may care for this movie...It did have a couple of chuckles...and I liked the cavern scene...but other than that...not much to say.

You can tell the FXs guys did what they could...some nice fluid effects, etc...
and the Cavern scene was cool. but none of that could save such bad directing, shot selection, and in need of some rewrites..

And Yates, the director is supposed to direct the rest of the series.
Oh Please dump him...I'm totally not impressed. He just doesn't get the story or the characters...and can't tell them in a compelling way.
Where is Alfonso Cuarón when you need him :) ?

Cheers all,

radams

07-19-2009, 01:26 AM

Take the book with you. You'll enjoy reading it better than the movie.
(the movie is really dull, and plods along)

Cheers,

DiedonD

07-19-2009, 03:54 AM

warmiak

07-19-2009, 03:59 AM

With the same sensation Ive stopped watching Harry Poter ever since... I think it was the third episode or so. It was no longer attractive till then, and I kinda went sideways and got amazed at the world going crazy over that!

Maybe it is not the movie that has changed ... but you ... for instance growing up tends to change people a lot :-)

IMI

07-19-2009, 04:02 AM

Would I be uncool if I said I've never seen any of the Harry Potter movies or read any of the books?
Is there something wrong with me for contentedly ignoring it all, all these years? ;)

warmiak

07-19-2009, 04:06 AM

Would I be uncool if I said I've never seen any of the Harry Potter movies or read any of the books?
Is there something wrong with me for contentedly ignoring it all, all these years? ;)

My only experience with these movies was rather embarrassing- I went to see I think the second one (with my wife!) ... and I fell asleep.
Truth be told, I was kind of tired that day (having slept only a few hours) but still ...

IMI

07-19-2009, 04:08 AM

Heh. :)

I just can't get into it. I mean, I like fantasy and sci-fi and all that, but from the moment I first heard of Harry Potter I immediately formed and opinion that I wouldn't like it, that it would be trite and embarrassing, and just blew it all off ever since.

Could be wrong, I guess. After all, millions of people love the books and movies, but still...

warmiak

07-19-2009, 04:14 AM

IMI

07-19-2009, 04:22 AM

BTW shouldn't you be sleeping ? It is like 5 am :-)

5:20 actually.

Yeah, probably, but I rarely do what I should. ;)

Red_Oddity

07-19-2009, 04:43 AM

I really liked the ones done by Chris Columbus and Cuaron.
Goblet of Fire was absolute garbage and the Order of the Phoenix was a let down.

Also, I really really miss Richard Harris, sure Michael Gambon is a good actor, but he no where near exudes the charisma and friendliness that Harris did as Dumbledore.

And someone should get rid of Emma Thompson, every time she appears on the screen she makes me grind my teeth, can the woman be any more annoying and insultingly childish (it's almost as if she is thinking the average viewer audience is no older than a Teletubbies viewer.)

I'll probably wait for the movie to go rental (like i did the last time) so i won't waste 10 euros on a movie ticket.

Mr Rid

07-19-2009, 05:00 AM

Hi All,

Just went to see the New Harry Potter and the half blood prince...
If you are 11-13 yrs old...then you may like it...otherwise it is so long disjointed..and so poorly directed both in story and visuals...it just pains you to sit through the 2:33 minutes of it...there are a few glimpses of cool.
but nothing ever melds together. I felt sorry for the actors...they did their part.

It is so teeny love lost...that the story and environment and magic (if I dare say)...just aren't there...or at best plod along with everything in plane sight.

I know that some of you may care for this movie...It did have a couple of chuckles...

You just described how I feel about all of them. It has the same reviews and Tomatometer as the rest of them. They're all the same. "Yore a special one Harry Pottuh"... he pretends like he's not..."Dont go in there! Dinejuh Harry Pottuh... it's dinejerous!"... he goes anyway and turns out fine... because he's just so darn special.

TeZzy

07-19-2009, 05:05 AM

I can't take the name Harry Potter seriously :D

*hides*

cresshead

07-19-2009, 06:01 AM

i've not read any of the books so i can only base my views on the films

basically boring or tedious springs to mind...i think that the books must be amazing and the films just help to book readers visualise their favorite books

obviously the author has sone something right as she's made a mint from the potter collection, i just think the films probably have not translated well from the books.

one day i may get the audio book version and 'hear' for myself but from what i've seen on dvd so far i'm not motivated enough to find out.

could be w'ere ALL too old to 'get' the buzz of potter.

DiedonD

07-19-2009, 07:07 AM

I'll probably wait for the movie to go rental (like i did the last time) so i won't waste 10 euros on a movie ticket.

How much is a rental over there thousand years from here? :D

hrgiger

07-19-2009, 09:16 AM

"Harry Potter, what a dud :("

Um yeah, it's Harry Potter.

Chris S. (Fez)

07-19-2009, 10:42 AM

You just described how I feel about all of them. It has the same reviews and Tomatometer as the rest of them. They're all the same. "Yore a special one Harry Pottuh"... he pretends like he's not..."Dont go in there! Dinejuh Harry Pottuh... it's dinejerous!"... he goes anyway and turns out fine... because he's just so darn special.

Ha. Spot on. Harry is like Lassie in an alternate universe. Instead of "Go girl!" the supporting characters are like "Whatever you do DON'T go rescue Ron from the dark scary well into which he fell!"

Dexter2999

07-19-2009, 02:33 PM

Well, the books are supposed to be great. I know MANY relatively well educated people who have been hooked on them. Personaly, I consider them childrens literature and I wont invest a week in reading a childrens book.

I will however spend a couple of hours watching a childrens movie. The first few I had no particular issue with. The fourth one (I think) was the shortest one. And in my opinion it was the worst. The directors view was that these were childrens movies and children don't want to sit in a theater for over two hours. I happen to disagree. To be fair, I never heard a single child complain about the movie. It was only the adults who had read the books.

I have always been assured from friends who have read the books that there is a great deal of character developement and subplots that aren't in the movies. I understand because movies have a time limit whereas books don't. It never really bothered me until ORDER OF THE PHOENIX, where the visuals of the Giant and the Centaurs were nothing more than gimmicks. Their plot line was bareley mentioned for a payoff that seemed hollow. To that end, it seemed like maybe 15 minutes total of setup and payoff...all wasted.

I'm going to check out HALF BLOOD PRINCE tomorrow, most likely a matinee. I'm keeping my expectations low as experience has shown me that high expectations are the quickest way to ruin a movie.

Titus

07-19-2009, 05:10 PM

I really had a good time watching the movie, very different from the previous.

Sensei

07-19-2009, 07:00 PM

Harry Potter premiere in Poland is in Friday, and I will have good time watching it.. ;)
2h 30m sounds like I will have to take at least 5 beers with me.. :D

Well, the books are supposed to be great.

And they are.. :) The funniest one is 2nd episode.

Hollywood stars had to think the same way taking 2nd or 3rd person roles, just to be there. Like Gary Oldman, Kenneth Branagh etc.

I know MANY relatively well educated people who have been hooked on them.

The only people that I know and don't like HP (because never read it and/or watch it) are low educated people. The all people with university finished that I know in Poland, love Harry Potter..

Personaly, I consider them childrens literature and I wont invest a week in reading a childrens book.

I find it faar far away from book and movie for children. There is no episode where some people not die. Starting from killing Harry Potter's parents.. and finishing in killing half of the main characters in Half Blood Prince and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.. LOTR in comparision to HP is like book for preschoolers ;) (one main character dead - Boromir)

shrox

07-19-2009, 07:19 PM

I am waiting for "Austin Powers and the Half Naked Bimbo".

TeZzy

07-19-2009, 08:06 PM

few harsh comments in here LOL....and I am not referring to comments regarding the movie itself

Chris S. (Fez)

07-19-2009, 10:19 PM

Saw it, liked it (though IMO the ending is not as climactic as it is in the book)

radams

07-19-2009, 11:03 PM

Hi All, and Megalodon,

Personally, I love the Potter stories, and to see them displayed and created for the movies in a creative, compelling way. I loved the first three and the fourth was okay...but the last two...just were stagnet...and lost the vision and story that they were to tell.

That comes from the director...thus my not caring for Yates' direction.

And like you Megalodon, the Potter series is one that should be admired and to look forward to.

Now there are those here who have enjoyed this latest film, I'm glad for you.
For me it just didn't jump off the screen...I had hopes that something would have inspired Yates this time around...but it doesn't seem he was...nor do I think he gets the story or the characters.

Cheers,

Titus

07-20-2009, 12:23 AM

LOTR in comparision to HP is like book for preschoolers ;) (one main character dead - Boromir)

Well, maybe is different to write about war and death being seated at a starbucks, than doing it at the WWI threnches.

StereoMike

07-20-2009, 05:14 AM

Never seen any of them, and I think that was a good move.
Harry Breast and the halfblood prince...

Darth Mole

07-20-2009, 05:24 AM

You just described how I feel about all of them. It has the same reviews and Tomatometer as the rest of them. They're all the same. "Yore a special one Harry Pottuh"... he pretends like he's not..."Dont go in there! Dinejuh Harry Pottuh... it's dinejerous!"... he goes anyway and turns out fine... because he's just so darn special.

What the hell accent is that supposed to be? They're English, not Australian. (Though I suppose to you lot we all sound the same...)

Matt

07-20-2009, 07:28 AM

I love the beginning of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqEVeqI-TR4

Chris S. (Fez)

07-20-2009, 10:15 AM

What the hell accent is that supposed to be? They're English, not Australian. (Though I suppose to you lot we all sound the same...)

Hagrid...

shrox

07-20-2009, 10:38 AM

What the hell accent is that supposed to be? They're English, not Australian. (Though I suppose to you lot we all sound the same...)

I can tell the difference, with an Australian accent, the consonants are inverted...

(Bad geographic joke, I apologize)

Tobian

07-20-2009, 10:58 AM

Wow some rather snippety comments about the film on here!

I've never read the books, and I have always thoroughly enjoyed the films. I do agree with the comments about the middle films being a bit overly short, and clipped, but this one was more appropriate in lengths and I loved it all the way through. Guess I must just have 'simplistic' tastes then :P I just love the depth of the design, artistry and for the most part love the ensemble cast of some of the finest British actors (and I loved Emma Thompson :p)

jasonwestmas

07-20-2009, 11:04 AM

What the hell accent is that supposed to be? They're English, not Australian. (Though I suppose to you lot we all sound the same...)

You all sounds english and sophisticated with a small hint of bazaar.:thumbsup:

Darth Mole

07-20-2009, 01:53 PM

Bazaar (as in Persian market) or bizarre as in Monty Python?

AdamAvenali

07-20-2009, 02:27 PM

i just picked up the complete series softcover box set this past weekend. i have already read 1-4 a few years ago and saw those movies, but i need to catch up and read 5 and 6 before seeing the movies, cuz that's how i roll haha i'm a bookworm.

radams

07-20-2009, 03:09 PM

Hi Megalodon,

I agree that Harry Potter is a phenomenon...
Since you seem to enjoy and get into the story and characters...
which I also do...

Don't you feel let down by Yates' take on them. He seems to have little vision or understanding of the story or characters...and even his shot selection and visual storytelling seems very off the mark...and down right boring and disconnected, IMHO.

Cheers,

Tobian

07-20-2009, 03:37 PM

Actually quite the opposite. I wasn't keen on a lot of yates' style in the last film, and I was quite annoyed by a lot of the very heavy handed clipping of the plot in places, and likewise was not that happy with his selection to do the next 2 films....

Which is why I was very pleasantly surprised with how much more sensitivity and style that he made this film. I think he managed to capture some of the bitter suite dark style of Curaon, and gave it a much more aesthetically pleasing colour palette, as well as a much more relaxed editing pogrom. The story didn't feel as rushed, and was given breathing space to be emotionally sophisticated.

I'm going to try and see it again this week, and take more of an artistic and critical eye to it, but more than often when your first impressions are good, they remain good and you tend to forgive flaws as wrinkles, than become disenfranchised with them.

Everyone tends to see different things, but it does often surprise me the depth of difference people can see in the same film :)

jasonwestmas

07-20-2009, 04:54 PM

Bazaar (as in Persian market) or bizarre as in Monty Python?

"Biz" Monty-esque

Dexter2999

07-20-2009, 10:09 PM

Okay, saw HP and Transformers 2 today.

This film wasn't as compelling action wise as some of the others. BUT, I did get that there was a whole lot of character developement going on that will be paying off in future films. Loved the stuff in the cavern.

I spoke with a friend who is HUGE into the books and says that is exactly what the book was in the scheme of the series. So, fair enough.

I must say I enjoyed more than Transformers 2.

Silkrooster

07-21-2009, 12:50 AM

I probably will not get to see the movie until it ships on DVD. Doesn't really matter what anybody thinks of it, I will still be looking forward to seeing it.
For all the movies in the series that I have seen, I think they are the best on the market. I base that on the first of the series. As its been a long time since I sat on the edge of my seat saying wow. It was the first movie that got me interested in reading the books. And i agree the movies do not do the books any justice, so much is left out.
However, I also think that they had a good thing and didn't take it to its full potential. There are very few movies that allow such freedom in plotting the scenes. To be honest, I have seen commercials with better special FX. But to be fair commercials do not have to create FX for over two hours either.

Oliver

07-21-2009, 01:53 AM

Interesting blog: http://www.moviemarketingmadness.com/blog/
Harry Potter (http://www.moviemarketingmadness.com/blog/2009/07/15/movie-marketing-madness-harry-potter-the-half-blood-prince/)
There is other stuff like this as well. Whole Papers written on mass psychology in movie marketing... :thumbsup:
People should bear in mind that large groups of people don't tell much about quality, only how successfull the marketing campaign is/was. This does not mean that only unbearable **** is sold to the masses with considerate effort. Just to point out that the argument "many people = high quality" is not valid at all.
As for the Potter stuff itself (Books and Movies) - I enjoy the atmosphere, some stuff is too long, too detailed or repeated too often for my taste (Ron is enviouse of Harry... again? No way?!?), I can't stand the main character in the obvious "he's just a normal boy... but a special one - uuhh, he's sooo special, don't you think? I think he's special" scenes, but I don't really care. The books are written well enough and the films are obviously crafted by people who know their job (not edited too quickly, solid scene setups, good actors and so on - not a given anymore in todays mainstream cinema ;)) that I just sit back an relax, though I'm not a huge fan. On the other hand I understand that many that don't know the books get lost now and then.
So: looking forward to seeing the movie (at home). :)
Don't watch movies longer than 1:45 in cinema anymore.

Tobian

07-21-2009, 06:04 AM

Just to point out that the quoting the argument "many people = high quality" is not valid at all" does not validate the statement that the movie sucked either.

You know there are quite a lot of films, which did phenomenally well, both critically and in terms of gross takings, which were 'high quality' also :p

biliousfrog

07-21-2009, 06:12 AM

I've only seen the films on TV I think, I might have seen one at the cinema...actually, yes I did...maybe two?...it obviously made a big impact ;)

I honestly couldn't tell the difference between them, each film is almost exactly the same as the previous one with a few different characters. Every christmas or around the time of a new HP cinema release the previous films are shown on TV and I'll often watch them if there's nothing else on because I want to like them. They always look nice from the trailers, the new one especially, but once it starts I struggle to care about the characters or what happens to them. They seem almost like a high budget childrens TV drama or soap opera where you can easily drop into any episode and within minutes know everything that has happened and how the story will end. I guess that's why I watch them on TV because I'm not bothered by the commercials or if the phone rings or if my girlfriend starts snoring on the sofa.

What I really struggle with is that Harry Potter has been made into hundreds of high budget films (is that an exageration?...dozens?) and Terry Pratchett, who JKR has blatantly ripped off on numerous occassions, has had a couple of terrible TV adaptations. It's that whole iPod thing where clever marketing has made an inferior product more appealing to the masses.

Titus

07-21-2009, 10:49 AM

I honestly couldn't tell the difference between them

I've only tried to read the first book but had to watch the movies several times, the wife is a HP fan. The basics of the story is repetitive, just look the name of the books: Harry Potter and the XXXX of YYYY. But the story develops as the kids get older. Everything is more violent and darker, at the end half of the characters are dead.

Dexter2999

07-21-2009, 12:06 PM

cresshead

07-21-2009, 12:54 PM

many people <> highest quality
many people = lowest common denomenator

It is why vanilla is the most popular flavor of ice cream. Not because it is best but most people can pallate it. Same with entertainment.

well that's how it is.. you could level that at religion and politics
are you advocating someone with 'better knowledge' chooses 'for you'??

Dexter2999

07-21-2009, 01:49 PM

Not at all. But sometimes you get someone who really knows what they are doing and if you let them run with it a bit you are in for something spectacular. For example Jim Henson, Tim Burton. These guys weren't exactly "vanilla" but then again they aren't for everyone either. When press forward with idea to make it more individual you stand to alienate. So the ideas have to stay "safe" to appeal to the greatest majority for the broadest success. Or they can venture out and appeal to a smaller audience but perhaps those to a fanatic level, like Star Trek, Star Wars, or even LOST (which I don't happen to care for).

So in simpler terms. Lowest common denominator= like. Appeal to the specific and niche= love.

Silkrooster

07-21-2009, 02:50 PM

I think most people can decide on their own if they like or dislike a movie or a book. I say down with the movie critics.

Dexter2999

07-21-2009, 03:07 PM

I would disagree with this - probably because the interpretation is too broad. Just because it may appeal to a specific niche does not mean people LOVE it as opposed to liking it. For example, you have a movie about foot fetishes. Perhaps there is a small niche market for this and the movie makes some money. It does not necesarily mean that the people who go see it love the film, just that it was interesting enough TO THEM to WANT to see. The same with any other niche market.

That wasn't the intent of what I said. But if that is how you want to interpret it, so be it.

Hieron

07-21-2009, 05:08 PM

What I really struggle with is that Harry Potter has been made into hundreds of high budget films (is that an exageration?...dozens?) and Terry Pratchett, who JKR has blatantly ripped off on numerous occassions, has had a couple of terrible TV adaptations. It's that whole iPod thing where clever marketing has made an inferior product more appealing to the masses.

Well, I'm a Tolkien fan (should start on Pratchett soon I guess), made lots of fun about some friends who read Harry Potter and saw the first 2 films and thought they were quite bad. Let's just say that the marketing did not really affect me.

Then one silly day I ran out of books to read on a vacation and grudgingly started on HP 1 as it was the only available. I read all 7 books straight after another and loved it. The plot is not very complicated, neither is the way it is written but I enjoyed myself nonetheless. (it was vacation too, no time for thinking, I do that the rest of the year)

Don't write it all of on marketing and hype, I feel a bit insulted :) It's hard enough to come out in public here and admit I read them! :)

AdamAvenali

07-21-2009, 05:30 PM

Don't write it all of on marketing and hype, I feel a bit insulted :) It's hard enough to come out in public here and admit I read them! :)

why? haha

jasonwestmas

07-21-2009, 06:26 PM

What da mean? The majority is always right. . .right?! Sheesh ;)

cresshead

07-21-2009, 06:29 PM

the majority 'get their wish'...ususally...but not i ALL countries..see recent news on that score.

and to be fair even VERY open democartic countries ususally get to tick their best bad option...

now getting back on topic...as for potty i just don't like 'magic'...hard to watch for me..bores me no end..

jasonwestmas

07-21-2009, 07:02 PM

I never read any of the books and I never will.

So far my wife has taken me to see all the movies and after the first one I swore I never wanted to see another one of them, because it was most inane piece of snooze cinema ever created. But I did go with her again to see the second one and it was a bit better. This trend continued with the next couple of films which I found to be quite entertaining popcorn movies - Easily flushed down the mental toilet the next morning never to resurface again. Entertainment while they run their length, nothing more.

This latest installment was pure crap, imo. I've rarely seen a more disjointed movie with a less interesting plot. There was no excitement, no story, no nothing. A complete waste of almost three hours. I want my precious time back... sack that useless director.

As far as I can tell this story as an entire series and it's imagery is doing well but not because it hasn't been done before (Of course). HP taps into the minds of emotions of anyone (if you can actually pay attention to it). It does so in 4 ways imo:

1) It tells the universal story of young peoples who wish they were something more than what they currently are. . .(Duh what person hasn't gone through that in their life).

2) Their wish is eventually granted but not until they uncover it through mystery, self-loathing, suffering and suspense. . . (Been there seen that).

3) A bad guy or two gets in the way and desires to take their precious gifts away by "defeating them" usually through physical force and some lame trickery. The main character(s) then kick his arse in hopefully an unpredictable way for the offense. (Of course they do).

4) The main character(s) are then imposed upon to perform a series of tasks in order to finally proclaim themselves "truly noble" and "the best". This is to validate everything that happened the first couple of times they were victorious so that everyone can be sure their victory didn't just happen by accident. This nobility must also be tested because then the characters can say with all confidence, "yes I am truly special, very powerful and of the utmost quality in all of all creation" now that I have overcome ALL my obstacles (including huge monsters and maniacle sorcerers, don't forget that) you are now free to admire me and shower me with more gifts. . .For I am no longer the self-loathing dote that I used to be. . . (Yawn) Yes, many people identify with this, to others it is kinda dull and predictable.

Thanks for listening lol.

adamredwoods

07-21-2009, 11:57 PM

Dexter2999

07-22-2009, 12:15 AM

Love the books. Easy read which makes them fun. Very creative.

Movies-- and I've seen all up until this new one-- were mostly for kids. Not the same level of storytelling as the books.

I also found that in the last two HP movies (prior to Half Prince), is that there is too much heavy breathing. I kid you not-- listen for it the next time you watch the movies and you'll be rolling on the floor with laughter.

Gee, thanks for pointing that out...now it's going to bug the crap out of me every time I hear it.

Let me return the favor. Whenever you are watching a movie with Harrison Ford make a note of the part where he gasps for breath because he does it in every single movie he is in.

Oliver

07-22-2009, 03:33 AM

Hehe, then I got something as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbYsoEasio
There are more clips with more movies, some are fake by now...
The story behind it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PxALy22utc
Enjoy not being able to take action sequences seriously anymore - it's everywhere. :D

Mr Rid

07-22-2009, 05:21 AM

Its interesting to read people who just HATE this one, when it isnt all that different from the rest, and friends and I found it to be the best of the bunch. I thought it was more mature and somber, appropriate for the characters growing up and dealing with rejection, 'snogging,' betrayal and death of loved ones. I can see kids or fans of the earlier popcorn installments seeing this one as 'boring.' They keep getting more grim, and I would think little kids would be disturbed by some of the particularly violent (one gory) attacks in this. This was the first one I felt emotionally engaged by, and thought every aspect- direction, cinematography, performance, score, design, and visual FX- was better than the rest. All of the previous ones just seemed like empty eye-candy to me.

DiedonD

07-22-2009, 05:30 AM

Yeah but the thing is, Ive lost faith on Potter while waiting him to grow up and be more interesting as you put it Rid...

Now, even if the world begs for me to go ahead and see this movie, I can tell you right now that I wont!

:D

Mr Rid

07-22-2009, 05:53 AM

Yeah but the thing is, Ive lost faith on Potter while waiting him to grow up and be more interesting as you put it Rid...

Potter has started asserting control and his role as the Neo/Jesus/Luke 'chosen one' they constantly allude to. The threesome have begun acting more confident and responsible instead of as insecure children. The story matured, whereas something like Return of the Muppets regressed into kiddie world after Empire. Jedi was the stupidest F***ing movie I have ever seen in my life. Almost as bad as Mad Max 3 which also regressed into kiddie crap. Potter just keeps getting darker.

Now, even if the world begs for me to go ahead and see this movie, I can tell you right now that I wont!

:D

Dont worry, it wont. :)

DiedonD

07-22-2009, 06:04 AM

Does he still speaks to snakes?

:ohmy:

cresshead

07-22-2009, 06:20 AM

this one felt more like bbc's eastenders...

radams

07-22-2009, 09:11 AM

Hi Mr. Rid,

I respect your points and very glad that you were able to more fully enjoy the latest Harry Potter movie.

In one respect I agree that the story has Harry and the rest more aware and taking control, etc...But for me, the direction just left things plodding, with disconnected sequences, and lack of creative visual storytelling. To be honest the third Harry Potter movie has some of the best inspired, creative sequences...which I give credit to that director for.

Yates just lets things sit and dry out, IMHO... Is there some character development...yes...but it is done in such a drawn out way..and then he disconnects the story to get ahead. Not very good directing in my book.

Now, I started this thread to point out my thoughts about the latest Harry Potter film...inviting all who wished to share their points of view here on the movie as well....and to start a conversation about this film

This thread has now gotten into personal bashing...which doesn't belong here..or anywhere in these forums.

Moderator Please close this thread...to help stop this bashing...
For those who wish to bash each other...please take it some place else.

Cheers,